bluenoser

I'm having some difficulty believing a stock 5AT could pull a couple of lengths on a G35 to 100Km. My 5AT just doesn't launch that hard. It starts out with wheel spin, the VSA kicks in and you have a nice quick launch, but nothing that will overcome a higher torque rwd vehicle of similar mass. In a race to 100Km you're giving up too much advantage to physics. In a rolling start the results would be very similar between fwd and rwd of like power and mass.
I've driven a G35 sdn(auto) and cpe(man) and find them both quick - a little more immediate than my 5AT, and had an opportunity to have a first and second gear hook against that same cpe while driving my Z28 LT1 6M. I was really surprised how hard the cpe launched (given the fact my Z28 really hammers out of the hole), I was down a nose till I made a great short shift into 2nd where I had a door when I shut off top of 2nd. I know there's a world of difference between the Z28 and the 5AT in a 0-100Km race therefore I'm a skeptic when a 5AT beats any G35 0-100Km by a couple of car lengths.

SilverCL225hp

May be he at first wanted to race you but then backed out. There is no way your TL is that much faster. Your VTEC is sohc vtec, not that rampant dohc vtec.

PeterUbers

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It's classic "oh my god oh my god .. I just got ahead of that G35" syndrome... who knows what the real situation was.. you'd have to practically BE THERE to really know, or you'd have to trust this guy 100%

Peters

In SS mode, I cannot maintain the car past the VTEC point. But in "L" you can do it. Its a wonderful experience and the sound is outstanding. The engine just winds up and keeps going.

Turbowhat2

who really cares?? ferraris and porsches should race each other to see whos faster..... racing 2 sub 300hp sedans?.... please.

As long as its feels fast enough its fine.

Peters

Well, let see... the engineers, the marketing people, the competitors... heck if it was just about "feeling" fast enough Honda could put a reasonable Accord engine in it and screw it. Mind you they wouldn't sell as many.

Chilli

Dude, racing for 6 seconds to 60 mph doesn't constitute a kill. Get real.

rets

I believe and understand you won it for sure.

But I'm very serious in thinking of the whole thing, and have to say that guy driving Infiniti was either stupid or dumb...

For me, I really cannot believe RWD G35 (260/260) could be beat by 04TL 5AT (270/238) in the short street racing.

The short distance racing, for example, the competition between two traffic lights or 1/4 mile, is usually a game between each car's torque. G35 will accelerate faster, and TL has better mid-range acceleration.

If G35 did have a better start, as you said he did, in that short distance 500-600 feet, I won't believe G35 would be a loser and defeated by 2 car lengths...

So G35 driver on that night was foolish. If he didn't know how to race or didn't have the gut to race, don't do it. It just makes ppl laughing...


:smackhead

samkws

lol
i tried the "L" when i had the test drive...

first goes to 30km slowly, and suddenly WOT and it has a feeling of NOS~ =)

but it gave me some torque steer thou~

Donte99TL

Why do we have so many haters on this board? IF you don’t believe the guy then find but you don’t have to bash him.

vandy786

That G must have been modded. I beat my friend's G35 in my then stock 2002 TLS at the track both in trap speed and ET when we both ran on the same day. That's something that magazines dont account for when they run the tests. I ran 14.7 and he had 14.9 I think, so it's still very close. Unless it's a manual, I believe the race can go either way. BTW, my friend has much respect for Acura's 2nd gear, and especially 3rd gear.

P.S. Don't hate on this guy if he claims he beat a G35. It's not like he said he beat an M5. Jeez

PeterUbers

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Vandy,

I'm not hating .. just being realistic. I've got 1500 posts to my credit, the first 500 were probably just like this gentleman's who has the '04TL and beat a G to 62mph... I've learned since then, and I'm sure you have too.

04TLmayB

Real smart thread. Encourage street racing. In ad hoc street racing, for the fools who do such nonsense, the winner is the guy dumb enough to go closer to 100% for a longer period. In other words, damn the consequences, I am gonna win this race. This is in no way a real barometer of which car is quicker. The only true test is at the track with drivers of equal skills. Anything else is dangerous mental masturbation

chas083

When I had my Bimmer I checked out the boards and saw nothing of this type of discussion. I have more important things to worry about. Merry Christmas

samkws

this is my 23xxth post~

blk_gcpe

OMG it's either pure bs or g35 obviously didn't raced at all...
04 AT TL gear ratios 03 G35 AT gear ratios
1st 2.563 3.540
2nd 1.552 2.264
3rd 1.021 1.471
4th 0.666 1.000
5th .0480 0.834
now 270/238 vs 260/260(was it sedan or coupe?)
fwd vs rwd... both AT(even MT tl won't beat AT g35 anyway will be very close but g will win) look at the gear ratios... do you want people to acutally believe you beat g by 2 car length by 60? g geared so aggressively compare to new tl that it's not even funny... and lastly, there's no way fwd can launch better than rwd... you might beat that g35 but other g35s will kill you...

samkws

ur stats are bs!!!

u got the gear ratio, but where are the Final Drive ratio????
the TL has a very high final drive

also u can't judge a car's performance by just the specs of the engine/gear ratio, there are a lot in difference in many areas

stop putting out all kinds of stats taht we all know, we all do read magazines....

u won't find out unless u have tried on ur own

blk_gcpe

i hope you read all the way dumba@@
didn't he stated that he raced till 62mph(around there)??
why the hell you need final drive ratios if you race till 60??? and why i can't judge by engine/gear ratios?? what are other lots of difference in many areas?? weight? g and tl is about same so it cancels out... both 5AT... driver skills? both are AT you don't need any skills... tires? both are about the same... rims? both are 17s... suspension?? it won't affect much... both N/A... what different areas you are saying??? maybe driver's weight you are talking about??

SergeyM

Looks like you do not know what you are talking about. The higher final axle ratio gives TL higher over-all gearing. It is as important at low speeds as it is at higher speeds. E.g. according to the official BMW specs, BMW 540 auto with 3.15 rear-end is by 0.1 sec faster to 60mph that 540 with 2.81 rear-end. TL has a very high final drive 4.428. You do the math by multiplying gear ratios (1st, 2nd, etc) by the final drive. FD counts.

`ill*tl

From personal experience, I can definitely say that the 6-speed is much faster than our cars (I have a '03 TL-S). I test drove a G35 auto. and a 6-speed when shopping for a new car this past summer. I also recently drove Sonorkid's CL-S over at a-cl.com He had CT I/H/E and UR pully..and from test driving them both..a 6-speed with little or no mods would smoke it no doubt. But an auto. it would be a who has more stuff done & who is the better driver type of race.

Either way..nice kill. Way to represent the Acura's!

InAcura

A 6-spd G35 sedan is not faster than the 04TL 6-spd. The G35 coupe is, but it has 20 HP more than the sedan.

jrock65

Haha, I bet there are posts just like this on G35 boards, but about how a G killed a TL. In any case, whether auto vs. auto, or manual vs. manual, these cars are pretty damn close. It's going to depend on the driver, tires, engine condition, etc., etc.

I think it's silly when people say, "wow, it's amazing when a 3.2 liter can match a 3.5 liter." It's not as if Nissan doesn't know how to make a 3.2 liter with similar power. They just felt that the most cost effective way to make their engine is in a 3.5 liter size, rather than push a 3.2 or 3.0 to its limits.

crazymaxe

Someone please kill this thread, The race tracks will be opening in the spring.
I 'll be there, anyone else?

D_Nyholm

Well, it is believable. Depending on conditions, either car could have won. There have been a lot of G's in the low 14's at the drag strip (including mine, 14.08 @ 101.75mph), but you never know what the other guy was totally doing. If they raced 20 times and had the same outcome everytime, then that is the truth, but one quick race can't justify a total kill.

Good race though, lets hope the next G35 you race isn't sleeping!!

partagas

You ran a 14.08, wow. There must be a lot of variation in those cars. Here in the country, I have head to head outrun 6 sedans, some sticks in my 330i. This was on a country road so we cut off at about 90, but I had enough of a lead. I have gteched my car and I can't break 6.0/14.4.

samkws

thank you man, he clearly doesn't know what the hell it is...

some GM cars they do offer a higher final drive ratio as an option, especially the HD pickup trucks

the BMW 330i w/ performance package is a great example, it has a shorter final drive so it can gives half a sec faster than the original 330i

PeterUbers

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look, ONE POST.. here's a troll if I've ever seen one.

always hunting for that perfect time to become a member and post!

PeterUbers

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Thank you, Socratres. Why don't you mentally masturbate yourself into a more civil thread, no one is advocating street racing here, we discussing the performance characteristics of both cars. This is NOT a debate as to whether or not street racing is GOOD... chill out.

PeterUbers

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Thank you for your input, now Merry x-mas, and enjoy the bimmer forums!

partagas

Pete, Santa didn't come to your house?

PeterUbers

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sure he did, he brought me a sense of reality, and a crank pulley!!

PeterUbers

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Funny ... at Stillen Days this year, both the G35 Sedan and Couple 6-spds dyno'd almost identically (and multiple sedans and coupes were dyno'd to account for variation). Infiniti/Nissan loves to play w/ the hp ratings, you should know that. The Sedan is actually the slightest bit lighter too than the coupe. I guarantee you the G35 6-spd is "quicker" ("faster" implies top end speed) than the '04 TL 6-spd.

PeterUbers

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Tecworld

I think looking at hp/tq numbers vs weight is not fully correct in predicting who would win races. It's common knowledge that Nissan/Infiniti has a tendency to overrate their cars hp ratings, so while the TL is 270/238, the G35 may not necessarily be 260/260. This type of thing happened a while back when the Nissan Sentra Vspec claimed 185 crank hp and put about 145 to the wheel. An integra GS-R of the same year was compared, and while claiming 170 crank hp, put 151hp to the wheel. Incidentally, the official hp numbers for the Sentra was reduced.
I fully believe the 04 TL can beat a G35, especially 5AT vs 5AT. Honda's transmission technology is unanimously known to be better than Nissan's. 6MT vs 6MT, there's still room for argument, but most recorded times for 5AT G35s have been generally slower than those recorded for the 5AT TL. The 5AT G35 times are also significantly slower than those of the 6MT g35, moreso than they should be.

All of this aside, the winner of one such race could be as easily decided as who stepped down on the gas .3 seconds earlier (not really a discernable amount of time by any human standards, but visible in car lengths during a race). This holds true for any race between cars of very similar capabilities.

vandy786

Just for the record, the Honda 3.2 liter is far from being pushed to it's limits. If they wanted to, and I'm not sure if they do, I'm sure they could modify it while maintaining the 3.2 L displacement and crank out 120 hp/ L like they did in the S2000. So the "limit" would be close to 400 HP really.

In Nissan's case, you're right that they moved to reduce costs. The only bad part of that is you can get teh same 3.5 L engine that comes in a "luxury" G35 that comes in an entry level V6 Altima and nearly every other V6 they have on the market.

vandy786

Lol

D_Nyholm

Wow, what a welcome to the board. Actually if you look when I registered you will see that I didn't register to place apost on this thread. I would also say that my post never once said anything negative. As a matter of fact, I am registered here to get some information on 02+ TL Type S's which I am looking to purchase to replace another car in the family.

I appreciate you jumping to conclusions, I bet the moderators would appreciate you jumping down new members throats and making them turn to other acura sites to get their information.

rets

I agree what you said. But there is one thing I like to emphasize. No one decides the final winner by this kind of short distance racing. After weighting all the factors, the real winner in the end means nothing over here.

I won't use merely 62MPH racing to decide which cars will be the best.

However, I believe LVSBB6 won that game.

PeterUbers

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Sorry buddy, since you're new to the forum, you're also probably new to the forum's sarcasm .. hence my "wink" () was probably not enough .. my comment was made b/c in the past we've had REAL trolls (not considering you a troll .. hence the sarcasm) who loved to just jump in when THEIR car was being debated (i.e. Maxima owners, M3 owners, etc).

If it helps, welcome to the board, be wise in your purchase of used TL-S's... no one knows if this tranny issue really has been resolved or not. Happy holidays.

D_Nyholm

Sorry about getting so defensive, I didn't really see the whole wink thing!!! You know how it is though, when you don't really understand why someone barks at you for no apparent reason.....

As for the whole tranny issue thing, I was assuming that the 100K mile warranty will transfer owners if the transmission decides to crap out. If that isn't the case, I think I might have to look at other cars!! I am looking for a '02 TL-S w/nav (which no one seems to have!!), with about 30-40K miles. Lets just hope that I can find that!!!

On another note, my mother has a '02 CL and has had no problems with the transmission. She has about 30K miles on it and not a single problem! That is basically the whole reason we are going for this car, very good reliability, good build quality, LOADS of features, decent room, nice ride, and great looks. Lets hope I can find a nice one sometime soon!!!