Well, it's time for me to take the plunge into a 4-door sedan (wife and I recentlly had a baby and the 3000GT just isn't going to cut it anymore!). I really like what I've seen of the TL and the TSX but am having trouble deciding between the two. Obviously I'd love to go for the TL, but the TSX would save me some money and to be honest, I'm not sure I need the TL. So... are there compelling reasons that would make it worth "upgrading", such as the bigger engine or more room in the backseat?

I'm really not interested in driving performance as this will basically be a family commuter car. What I *am* interested in is good gas mileage and lots of creature comforts (nav, heated seats, dual zone climate control, etc). Because of that, I keep thinking the TSX might be the better choice.

Back to money -- what would be a decent price for a new 2007 TL, considering it's getting late in the year? Would I be better off picking up a slightly used 2006? I've seen new 2008 TSX Navi's at my local dealer for $30k and that's my absolute spending limit -- does that take the TL out of the running? Are there other comparable cars that I should look at (Accord, Mazda 6, etc)?

Long post, but I'd appreciate some insight from you guys. Thanks!

 

Why don't you go buy a new Accord?
It should have everything you need at a reasonable price.

 

Have you test drove any of them? That would help your decision too. But it sounds like your leaning more towards TSX. It's very hard to get a new TL under 30k. Goodluck.

 

I haven't driven any of them but to be honest I'm leaning towards the Acuras for the simple fact that they come so well equipped. I'm not looking for a world-beater when it comes to driving performance and feel, so as long as it's roomy enough I'm pretty sure I'll be happy (do I sound easy to please? ).

I hear ya on the TL for under $30k. I'm looking at some used 2006's which may be the way to go...

 

Used '06 w/Navi...and NBP!!!

 

A mid range Accord should have most of the TL/TSX equipment and some of it will be better. All are good cars but you have to decide which suits your needs. TL and, I think TSX are due for new models for 2009.

TL gas mileage around town in moderate traffic leaves a lot to be desired. 2008 Accord is larger than the TL. I understand all are being discounted due to general market conditions. Shop hard via the internet only for the best prices. Edmunds.com has a pricing forum that may be useful for you.

 

MR1 is correct. The 3G TL's city mileage is not bad, but nothing special. More importantly, it requires 91 octane fuel, so add 20 cents per gallon to the price on the big sign. I believe that any Accord model uses regular. That said, I love my TL, and make opportunities to drive it--forget the budget.

 

Back in '05, I went to the Acura dealer with my heart set on a TSX. The salesman encouraged me to give the TL a try, and the TSX was immediately out of the running.

The TSX is a great car, but the TL offers so much more. I just traded the '05 for an '07 Type S.

 

I had two Dodge Stealths - a '93 and a '92! Loved them! I still have an almost new bra kit for them. Thinking of putting it on ebay...

 

Dude, during November December timeframe you should be able to walk away with a fully loaded 2007 TL for about 30K.

That's what I did, I got my 2006 last October for 30K in NJ.

To me the TSX is a glorified civic.

 

You should be able to get a new 07 TL for $30,000. It would have much easier last month because there was a $2500 marketing support. Look around for dealers with the 07's in stock. For me I only found 2 dealers with 07's when I purchased my TL Type-S.

 

You're asking this on a TL board but based on your criteria, it looks like the TSX is the more suitable car. It's more affordable, has better gas mileage, and has all the creature comforts you're looking for.

If it helps, I actually preferred the ride/handling of the TSX over the TL when I test-drove them.

 

The ride in the TSX may be smoother, but the TL out handles. Cmon 0.91 skidpad

 

Thanks for the inputs guys. My heart is telling me that the TL is the right choice (even though my brain is screaming TSX or even Accord! ). My dealer has several 2007 TL NAVI's and TL-S' on the lot but only one standard TL. Is $30k reasonable for a NAVI? Don't really want the S. And is that the OTD price including tax? If so that would be terrific!

 

Your starting figure should be no higher than $33,798 because that is how much a brand new 2008 TL with Navi costs.

Call a dealer and say you want an 07 TL with Navi for $30,000 and see what they say. I called a dealer two weeks ago and said I wanted an 07 TL Type-S for $32,500 and that is what I got it for....

Out the door is going to vary but all it is TAX and Registration...

 

Acura TLs are now having a low financing special.

Vehicle Year 24 mo 36 mo 48 mo 60 mo 72 mo Expires

Acura TL 2007 None 2.90% 2.90% 4.90% 4.90% None 01/02/08

Acura TL 2008 None 2.90% 2.90% 4.90% 4.90% None 01/02/08

 

Back in 05 the differences between a TL and a TSX were numerous. At this point, its a V6, and a back up camera (if you get the nav).

I say drive them, the TSX is not and was never intended to be less expensive version of the TL.

 

If price is such a concern, why are you looking at buying a brand new car? You should be looking at something at LEAST a year old, let someone else pay the depreciation.

 

If price is a issue here, then you should consider either a TSX, accord , or a used TL ... but if you can tough it out ( ), go with the TL as it will last you a long time for you to appreciate your choice down the road ...

Good luck !

 

as much as I love the TL, my suggestion would be go for the TSX if you want to be brand new, or maybe an 06 or even used 07 (there are some!) and be happy with that.

 

You can definitely get a used 06-07 TL for a great price....check your local dealers etc.

 

Go with the TL and keep it for 7 years to justify the extra $. I have 2 kids in car seats, the TSX would be way too small. You will end up selling it in 3 years. Car seats take up a lot of room and then the kids starting kicking your seat. With my wife in the front seat, 2 baby seats in the back and Radio Disney jamming on XM , the TL has room to spare.

 

I'm glad you mentioned that, as my wife and I were just saying this morning that the TL is a non-starter if our car seat doesn't fit comfortably in the back (we have a 5-month old). Glad to hear there's plenty of room!

 

you really wanted a TL, that's why you're here.

TSX also reguires premium fuel, and despite of a smaller engine, delivers almost the same mpg as TL, but is also smaller.

Only a few people on this forum were able to get a brand new 3rd gen TL with NAVI for 30K, so chances are very slim. While setting this as your benchmark, have more reasonable expectations. Do expect the price difference to be very slim between a used 2006 and brand new 2007 or even 2008. You'll have to decide if paying 30K for a used 2006 with 20k mi is worth to you more than 31000 for a brand new one.

 

Is it that obvious?

I've reset my expectations somewhat. I'd prefer a new car over a used one; as luck would have it my dealer has three new 2007's still on the lot; two black NAVIs and one white base model. From what I've seen on various forums folks have been paying ~$30,800 + TTL for 2007 NAVIs. To me that's a good price and I'd be willing to pay it to get the car I really want. Now if I could just sell my 3000GT...

 

R U gonna print this thread and show it to your wife?



G/L!

 

pg_rider it is obvious but you started your post asking for advice between TSX and TL. Why even make a post like that

 

Fair question -- at the time I wasn't sure the TL would be in my budget so I wanted to understand what people thought the important differences were between the two. Of course in my heart I preferred the TL from the get-go, but I was thinking about keeping my options open...

I actually test drove a new 2007 TL NAVI last night to get an initial feel for it (with no intention of actually buying -- I haven't even sold my old car yet). Of course the sales guy wouldn't let me leave without making me an offer so I said what the hell. First they offerered me $6000 on a trade-in for my 3000GT, which I was very surprised at considering how filthy it was -- I really wasn't thinking about doing a deal that day. The TL had a "sale" tag in the window of $34,999, and they offered me the car at $33,422 + $589 doc fee + TTL with a 5.75% finance offer. I told them that was a good offer but 1) I want to try and sell my car privately first for closer to $7500, and 2) I've seen many posts on other forums of people getting new 2007 TL NAVIs for significantly less (averaging around $31000+TTL). The guy looked like he was honestly hurt that I was turning down the offer! I told him no thanks, but that I'll be back after I sell my car and hopefully they'll still have the 2007's...

 

pg_rider, my opinion for you is to go with the bigger car (TL, Accord, Mazda6) whatever you are looking at. trust me on this because my son is the same age as yours. congrats by the way!! my 05TL is a lot roomier than my Civic which is a little smaller than the TSX. For now, the Civic has enough room for the infant car seat, however, once your son gets old enough, the toddler seat will bearly fit.

 

I would have told the guy to shove that offer up his

What kind of idiot dealer are you going to?

You can get a 2008 Navi for $33,798 + TTL and btw, what kind of fluff is a $589 Doc fee.

 

I would have told the guy to shove that offer up his

What kind of idiot dealer are you going to?

You can get a 2008 Navi for $33,798 + TTL and btw, what kind of fluff is a $589 Doc fee.

 

Offer 30.8k plus TTL (no other fees) for the 07 TL with navi, which is a very good deal at that price. If that is still too high, get a fully-loaded Accord and save yourself some $$. The 08 Accord is even larger than the TL, and probably performs quite well. But the TL is more luxurious and sporty, and you get a longer guaranty and potentially better dealer service.

 

Long story short -- I wasn't getting any bites on selling my car so I traded it in for the $6000 they offered me, and paid $32500+TTL for the TL. Yes I overpaid compared to the lowest deals I've seen on some message boards, but I thought it was an average price and I didn't want to keep farting around. Bottom line is that I love the car and it was worth it to me. Oh, that price included mudguards, wheel locks, and a trunk liner. Flame away!

 

Congrats on the new tl and the new baby

 

+1

 

Cheers mate!

 

We are very close to leasing a 2008 TL base (No Nav) as in today.
there have been no left over 2007 TL around here for a while now.
is this a good deal?

$31445.00 is the agreed upon value of the vehicle.

We would be paying $3443.38 total dues at signing - including license, aquisition, fees, all tax upfront 1st payment, etc.
then only $317.25 a month - tax in this state is required to be paid upfront for the whole term (36 months) of the lease.

Itemization of amount due at lease signing:
$1890.18 cap cost reduction (money down) amount paid in cash
+$125.70 tax on the cap cost reduction amount paid in cash - (ties in to the above)
+$317.25 first payment (then 35 left) no tax on it. this is the monthly payment
+$6.25 initial title fee
+$459.00 initial registraton fees (license plates & tabs for Minnesota)
+$645.00 DOC & ACQ = $50 document fee & standard $595 Honda lease aqusition fee
=3443.38 total dues at signing

My monthly payment/single payment is determined as shown below:
$32155.85 Gross cap cost (supposed to be the agreed upon value of vehicle + the total lease term taxes due to state)
-$1890.18 cap cost reduction (money down) amount paid in cash
=$30265.67 adjusted cap cost
off to the right and down a line is: The agreed upon value of the vehicle $31445.00

$20319.60 residual value

$9946.07 Depreciation and any amortized amounts
+$1474.92 rent charge (the lease financing) this I'm guessing is based off the money factor which is supposed to be .00082)
=$11420.99 Total of base payments (total of depreciation & the rent charge)

36 lease payments
$317.25 base monthly/single payment
+N/A monthly sales/use tax (this is paid upfront as required by the state and added on to teh agreed value to get the Gross cap cost figure.)
+N/A \sales/use tax (single payment)
+N/A other: N/A
=$317.25 total monthly single payment

Purchase option at end of lease term I have the option to purchase the vehicle as-is, where-is at the end of the lease term
for $20319.60

 

All that matters is that you got an Acura TL.... However, just to flame... I paid the exact same price for a Type-S.

Enjoy your ride...

 

a good price? ...invoice +200 bucks

 

Get the new Accord. Large back seat for a family, and loaded for $30k. AND new.

Also has 268hp. Warranty, etc.