View Poll Results: Do You Prefer MT or AT and Why?
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Poll: Do Members prefer MT or AT and Why?
05-12-2007, 06:13 PM
#161
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Originally Posted by Hooksta
Ray,
I absolutely love that DVD. It is a documentary of Ewan McGregor's ride from London, England heading due East until he hits New York City some 120 days later. It you like "adventure" you would likely love this. Might want to check out the amazon reviews here. In fact, Ewan and Charley just took off from the top of Scotland heading down to the bottom tip of Africa...calling this one "Long Way Down."
http://www.amazon.com/Long-Way-Round...9005550&sr=8-1
and cheaper here (and with free shipping)
http://search.deepdiscount.com/searc...d&af=cat1_dvds
Check it out and report back to me. I can't imagine how you wouldn't love it. I have two copies that I loan out to friends and not one complaint on this recommendation yet. Who knows you might even pick yourself up a GS.
I absolutely love that DVD. It is a documentary of Ewan McGregor's ride from London, England heading due East until he hits New York City some 120 days later. It you like "adventure" you would likely love this. Might want to check out the amazon reviews here. In fact, Ewan and Charley just took off from the top of Scotland heading down to the bottom tip of Africa...calling this one "Long Way Down."
http://www.amazon.com/Long-Way-Round...9005550&sr=8-1
and cheaper here (and with free shipping)
http://search.deepdiscount.com/searc...d&af=cat1_dvds
Check it out and report back to me. I can't imagine how you wouldn't love it. I have two copies that I loan out to friends and not one complaint on this recommendation yet. Who knows you might even pick yourself up a GS.
05-12-2007, 06:53 PM
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the only reason I got the 5/AT was so I can share (cringe)the car with my wife ,but my work whooptie is a MT, and so is my "Semi-truck....10 speed!
05-12-2007, 09:31 PM
#164
Pro
i doubt that the auto tl can hit 60 faster than the MT, just because the auto is a dog off the line....even in L with power braking, with the TCS OFF, it doesn't really pull as hard as th MT....but once it gets moving...theres no stopping it...she just pulls gear after gear...all the way up to 155...where i hit the speed govenor at....4th gear AT,
05-13-2007, 01:33 AM
#166
Pro
4 tenths of a second is ALOT, but at a roll, the AT seems to dominate....i just got home from a night at the bar....had the TCS off....rolled up to a stop sign...and punched it....boy did those tires scream....all through first....and they broke loose at teh top of second....i still love my Auto....
05-13-2007, 06:33 AM
#168
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I ride a 1985 Honda 500 Interceptor, it's alot of fun to ride still at 22 years old (my first and only bike). What's amusing is how many cars today can actually beat it in a 1/4 (Ferrari 599, Z06 Corvette, M5). When I bought it I thought it's tested 1/4 was pretty good (~12.4 @ 107). BUt as you say I can also probably take 99% of the cars on the road). In terms of the curret bikes out there it's hard to say where my 500 stands.
Most of the current 600 Sportbikes do mid 10 sec @ 120MPH+ 1/4, that's what the liter bikes did 2 decades ago. The current class of literbikes are faster than many race cars at very low 10 sec @ 130-140 1/4's, and they weight about the same as my 430lb wet weight of my Interceptor. I wish the car manufacturers could reduce the weight as much as the bike manufacturers. The tech in current sportbikes is mind boggling.
Most of the current 600 Sportbikes do mid 10 sec @ 120MPH+ 1/4, that's what the liter bikes did 2 decades ago. The current class of literbikes are faster than many race cars at very low 10 sec @ 130-140 1/4's, and they weight about the same as my 430lb wet weight of my Interceptor. I wish the car manufacturers could reduce the weight as much as the bike manufacturers. The tech in current sportbikes is mind boggling.
Originally Posted by Hooksta
No arguments from me...as darksom mentions not my "fact" but since it helped my cause I ran with it. 
I would imagine that a 5-speed is very "capable" of beating an AT. So I do personally believe that a MT is faster than an AT.
How many MT owners are out smoking their tires and ragging out their TL to make absolutely sure they can "stick" that take off consistently. I would imagine it isn't the majority. I mention how fast my bike "can" go and I have actually been riding since I was 4 years old (32 years now) and I'm pretty sure I can't make the bike do 60 in 3.6. I leave that for the professionals at the track. (I am sure that I can hit 60 in the 4 second range however which is quick enough to shake 99% of all cars out there and likely more than 70% of all other moterbikes).
I would imagine that a 5-speed is very "capable" of beating an AT. So I do personally believe that a MT is faster than an AT.How many MT owners are out smoking their tires and ragging out their TL to make absolutely sure they can "stick" that take off consistently. I would imagine it isn't the majority. I mention how fast my bike "can" go and I have actually been riding since I was 4 years old (32 years now) and I'm pretty sure I can't make the bike do 60 in 3.6. I leave that for the professionals at the track. (I am sure that I can hit 60 in the 4 second range however which is quick enough to shake 99% of all cars out there and likely more than 70% of all other moterbikes).
05-13-2007, 12:16 PM
#169
Pro
everyone knows AT are the most consistent for quartermile times, and are faster....the MT are just fun to drive....you dont want your tires to spin off the line....you wanna hook up and go....
05-13-2007, 12:58 PM
#170
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Road and Track recently had a short technical Q&A about automatic versus manual transmission acceleration. In their testing in 5+ decades of testing hundreds of vehicles they indicated they have only had a handful which were faster in auto versus manual for the same vehicle with the same engine. The most recent case for a auto being faster was the latest gen 911 Turbo which was quicker for 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
In terms of repeatability you're correct, a auto will produce fairly consistent times but will be generally slower than a manual due to higher driveline losses and some other factors.
In terms of repeatability you're correct, a auto will produce fairly consistent times but will be generally slower than a manual due to higher driveline losses and some other factors.
Originally Posted by 3rdGenHybrid
everyone knows AT are the most consistent for quartermile times, and are faster....the MT are just fun to drive....you dont want your tires to spin off the line....you wanna hook up and go....
05-13-2007, 01:06 PM
#171
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Road and Track recently had a short technical Q&A about automatic versus manual transmission acceleration. In their testing in 5+ decades of testing hundreds of vehicles they indicated they have only had a handful which were faster in auto versus manual for the same vehicle with the same engine. The most recent case for a auto being faster was the latest gen 911 Turbo which was quicker for 0-60 and 1/4 mile.
In terms of repeatability you're correct, a auto will produce fairly consistent times but will be generally slower than a manual due to higher driveline losses and some other factors.
In terms of repeatability you're correct, a auto will produce fairly consistent times but will be generally slower than a manual due to higher driveline losses and some other factors.
05-13-2007, 07:09 PM
#173
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Stats are stats bro...but in they're testings did they do the TL? not trying to be a dick head about anything....but we did take 2 identical stock TL's AT vs MT with several runs and found the AT to catch up by the middle of third gear, MT's are just fun to drive, you have more control entering and exiting turns using engine braking, and clutch dumping...dont get me wrong....i love MT's, but for me...AT is fine to just cruise around the town with the windows down system up driving 25mph and let everyone see you....ahhahaha
05-13-2007, 07:17 PM
#174
Originally Posted by 3rdGenHybrid
Stats are stats bro...but in they're testings did they do the TL? not trying to be a dick head about anything....but we did take 2 identical stock TL's AT vs MT with several runs and found the AT to catch up by the middle of third gear, MT's are just fun to drive, you have more control entering and exiting turns using engine braking, and clutch dumping...dont get me wrong....i love MT's, but for me...AT is fine to just cruise around the town with the windows down system up driving 25mph and let everyone see you....ahhahaha
05-14-2007, 01:12 AM
#175
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Originally Posted by Hooksta
Score for the AT eh Ray?
12-09-2007, 10:30 AM
#177
Originally Posted by 3rdGenHybrid
Stats are stats bro...but in they're testings did they do the TL? not trying to be a dick head about anything....but we did take 2 identical stock TL's AT vs MT with several runs and found the AT to catch up by the middle of third gear, MT's are just fun to drive, you have more control entering and exiting turns using engine braking, and clutch dumping...dont get me wrong....i love MT's, but for me...AT is fine to just cruise around the town with the windows down system up driving 25mph and let everyone see you....ahhahaha
12-09-2007, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
See, off the line, i'm sure the 6MT will beat the auto. But, a 5AT in 3rd gear can go from like 60 to 115 before it shifts into 4th (if you hold it in SS and shift just before) After fucking around with it, if you can time the 3rd gear shift just right, it'll put you almost at vtec stage in 4th. If you miss, it'll bounce off the rev limiter. With the 6MT, I think you'd have to shift twice from 60-115 right? 3rd and 4th?
The extra gear in the MT gives it a mechanical advantage all through the run allowing the engine to rev quicker. The extra shift is more then offset by this advantage.
The 6th speed also have full mechanical advantage into 4th gear while the AT is already in overdrive in 4th.
Transmission gear ratios
6 MT
1st 3.93 - 39mph
2nd 2.48 - 62mph
3rd 1.70 - 90mph
4th 1.25 - 123 mph
5th 0.98 - OD limiter
6th 0.77 - OD limiter
5 AT
1st 2.70
2nd 1.61
3rd 1.07
4th 0.68 OD
5th 0.49 OD
12-09-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
I'm just saying, at that point, i'd really like to see a race from 60 to 115...
I have never seen a 5AT do well at the strip. they are consistantly 1/2 second slower in the quater mile. At a 100mph typical terminal speed in a good car a 1/2 second is about a 80 foot lead.
12-09-2007, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
Transmission gear ratios
6 MT
1st 3.93 - 39mph
2nd 2.48 - 62mph
3rd 1.70 - 90mph
4th 1.25 - 123 mph
5th 0.98 - OD limiter
6th 0.77 - OD limiter
5 AT
1st 2.70
2nd 1.61
3rd 1.07
4th 0.68 OD
5th 0.49 OD
6 MT
1st 3.93 - 39mph
2nd 2.48 - 62mph
3rd 1.70 - 90mph
4th 1.25 - 123 mph
5th 0.98 - OD limiter
6th 0.77 - OD limiter
5 AT
1st 2.70
2nd 1.61
3rd 1.07
4th 0.68 OD
5th 0.49 OD
12-09-2007, 02:50 PM
#186
Both!
I'm not gonna vote, cause I like them both. I've owned an "05 TL 6MT, and I traded for an "07 TL-S 5A/T
Positive for 6MT:
Better weight transfer, lighter weight, strong performance, better gas mileage,
Negative for the 6MT:
Notchy 3rd gear in mine, torque steer. Arthritis in left knee in my application, resale value, the mere POSSIBILITY of an improper downshift overreving the engine.
Positive for the 5AT:
No more arthritis pain, more relaxed driving overall, controlled torque steer, better for traffic, wifey can drive it. Paddle shifters are pretty cool.
Negative for the 5AT:
Let's hope Acura has built a long lasting transmission (looks good for the TL-S on paper) Could be positive OR negative. Heavier weight, less aggressive weight transfer, slightly less gas mileage.
It's all good
Positive for 6MT:
Better weight transfer, lighter weight, strong performance, better gas mileage,
Negative for the 6MT:
Notchy 3rd gear in mine, torque steer. Arthritis in left knee in my application, resale value, the mere POSSIBILITY of an improper downshift overreving the engine.
Positive for the 5AT:
No more arthritis pain, more relaxed driving overall, controlled torque steer, better for traffic, wifey can drive it. Paddle shifters are pretty cool.
Negative for the 5AT:
Let's hope Acura has built a long lasting transmission (looks good for the TL-S on paper) Could be positive OR negative. Heavier weight, less aggressive weight transfer, slightly less gas mileage.
It's all good
12-09-2007, 05:55 PM
#188
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MT all the way
I traded in a 2003 TL-S for the 3rd gen MT, just for the tranny change. Oh and I had to have the Brembos. MT is way more fun. Even if it was slower (It ain't), I'd still have gone with the MT. By the way, my S.O. can't drive it either. Too bad
12-09-2007, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by P.R.E.A.M.
what are the final drive ratios.??
Total gear multiplication available for acceleration - all else being equal, the bigger number will accelerate a car faster
5AT
1st - 11.8
2nd - 6.9
3rd - 4.6
4th - 2.9
5th - 2.1
6MT
1st - 12.9
2nd - 8.4
3rd - 5.7
4th - 4.2
5th - 3.3
6th - 2.6
12-10-2007, 04:24 PM
#192
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Voted MT, and just picked up a slightly used 2007 TL-S KBP 6MT. I'm lovin life right now! Like someone else posted earlier, if the TL didn't come in a stick, I wouldn't be driving a TL. Sux, 'cause the wife absolutely refuses to learn how to drive an MT (I guess some people might think that's a good thing!) 
Interesting how this thread shows more MT's, but out in the real world they're quite scarce. What is it, like 1 out of every 10 cars is a stick?
Interesting how this thread shows more MT's, but out in the real world they're quite scarce. What is it, like 1 out of every 10 cars is a stick?
12-10-2007, 04:41 PM
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I prefer AT. When im driving a luxury sedan, I don't want to have to worry about shifting but, when im in the mood for a little sportyness I move the shifter over to manual mode.
12-10-2007, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
Final drive ratio 5AT 4.31-1.00 6MT 3.39-1.00
Total gear multiplication available for acceleration - all else being equal, the bigger number will accelerate a car faster
5AT
1st - 11.8
2nd - 6.9
3rd - 4.6
4th - 2.9
5th - 2.1
6MT
1st - 12.9
2nd - 8.4
3rd - 5.7
4th - 4.2
5th - 3.3
6th - 2.6
Total gear multiplication available for acceleration - all else being equal, the bigger number will accelerate a car faster
5AT
1st - 11.8
2nd - 6.9
3rd - 4.6
4th - 2.9
5th - 2.1
6MT
1st - 12.9
2nd - 8.4
3rd - 5.7
4th - 4.2
5th - 3.3
6th - 2.6
12-10-2007, 07:24 PM
#195
My first car was a manual, its fun and love the fact that I can control my speed a lot better, and being in control. After a while it gets annoying, plus after my first car totaled out I got a motorcycle which I rode as my main source of transportation. Now, when I hop into a car I like to just cruise and relax.
12-10-2007, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hooksta
I'd like to see the results if you polled TL "passengers" on their preference of MT vs AT. No doubt MT is fun for the driver (except in traffic).
12-11-2007, 08:10 AM
#198
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Originally Posted by Hooksta
I'd like to see the results if you polled TL "passengers" on their preference of MT vs AT. No doubt MT is fun for the driver (except in traffic).
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12-11-2007, 05:42 PM
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To add to all the mayhem here .........
With an MT, you drive the car. With an AT, the car drives you.
Also, in slippery conditions like rain, mud, and snow, that Limited Slip Differential that only comes with the MT can make the difference in not getting stuck.
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With an MT, you drive the car. With an AT, the car drives you.
Also, in slippery conditions like rain, mud, and snow, that Limited Slip Differential that only comes with the MT can make the difference in not getting stuck.
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