Will do!

 

the only reason I got the 5/AT was so I can share (cringe)the car with my wife ,but my work whooptie is a MT, and so is my "Semi-truck....10 speed!

 

I think if you launch the TL in "L" gear in an auto, it'll hit 60 faster than the 6MT......cant say for sure though.

 

i doubt that the auto tl can hit 60 faster than the MT, just because the auto is a dog off the line....even in L with power braking, with the TCS OFF, it doesn't really pull as hard as th MT....but once it gets moving...theres no stopping it...she just pulls gear after gear...all the way up to 155...where i hit the speed govenor at....4th gear AT,

 

the difference in accel isnt that big....auto is 6.3 while MT is 5.9

 

4 tenths of a second is ALOT, but at a roll, the AT seems to dominate....i just got home from a night at the bar....had the TCS off....rolled up to a stop sign...and punched it....boy did those tires scream....all through first....and they broke loose at teh top of second....i still love my Auto....

 

Man, bring that automatic on...I predict pain!

 

I ride a 1985 Honda 500 Interceptor, it's alot of fun to ride still at 22 years old (my first and only bike). What's amusing is how many cars today can actually beat it in a 1/4 (Ferrari 599, Z06 Corvette, M5). When I bought it I thought it's tested 1/4 was pretty good (~12.4 @ 107). BUt as you say I can also probably take 99% of the cars on the road). In terms of the curret bikes out there it's hard to say where my 500 stands.

Most of the current 600 Sportbikes do mid 10 sec @ 120MPH+ 1/4, that's what the liter bikes did 2 decades ago. The current class of literbikes are faster than many race cars at very low 10 sec @ 130-140 1/4's, and they weight about the same as my 430lb wet weight of my Interceptor. I wish the car manufacturers could reduce the weight as much as the bike manufacturers. The tech in current sportbikes is mind boggling.

 

everyone knows AT are the most consistent for quartermile times, and are faster....the MT are just fun to drive....you dont want your tires to spin off the line....you wanna hook up and go....

 

Road and Track recently had a short technical Q&A about automatic versus manual transmission acceleration. In their testing in 5+ decades of testing hundreds of vehicles they indicated they have only had a handful which were faster in auto versus manual for the same vehicle with the same engine. The most recent case for a auto being faster was the latest gen 911 Turbo which was quicker for 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

In terms of repeatability you're correct, a auto will produce fairly consistent times but will be generally slower than a manual due to higher driveline losses and some other factors.

 

There ya go! I knew someone with "stat control" would come on here and put you wanna-be faster AT owners in your place! Thanks Legend2TL!

 

sorry to sound like a noob. but what is TCS on and off?

 

Stats are stats bro...but in they're testings did they do the TL? not trying to be a dick head about anything....but we did take 2 identical stock TL's AT vs MT with several runs and found the AT to catch up by the middle of third gear, MT's are just fun to drive, you have more control entering and exiting turns using engine braking, and clutch dumping...dont get me wrong....i love MT's, but for me...AT is fine to just cruise around the town with the windows down system up driving 25mph and let everyone see you....ahhahaha

 

Score for the AT eh Ray?

 

I guess it will alwys be a matter of opinion until petal to the metal makes it fact Eddie...for now, we just shooting the jive! LOL! Well, I did say I welcome all opinions in the thread and I will honor 3rdGen's! You alright with me 3rdGen! (until we meet on the hot ashphalt!) hahahahaha!

 

See what I mean Prince?

 

See, off the line, i'm sure the 6MT will beat the auto. But, a 5AT in 3rd gear can go from like 60 to 115 before it shifts into 4th (if you hold it in SS and shift just before) After fucking around with it, if you can time the 3rd gear shift just right, it'll put you almost at vtec stage in 4th. If you miss, it'll bounce off the rev limiter. With the 6MT, I think you'd have to shift twice from 60-115 right? 3rd and 4th?

 

How long in MPH the AT will hold a gear is irreverent.

The extra gear in the MT gives it a mechanical advantage all through the run allowing the engine to rev quicker. The extra shift is more then offset by this advantage.

The 6th speed also have full mechanical advantage into 4th gear while the AT is already in overdrive in 4th.

Transmission gear ratios

6 MT
1st 3.93 - 39mph
2nd 2.48 - 62mph
3rd 1.70 - 90mph
4th 1.25 - 123 mph
5th 0.98 - OD limiter
6th 0.77 - OD limiter

5 AT
1st 2.70
2nd 1.61
3rd 1.07
4th 0.68 OD
5th 0.49 OD

 

I'm just saying, at that point, i'd really like to see a race from 60 to 115...

 

The AT would lose because you don't have enough gear to pull the weight with the low torque 3.2.

I have never seen a 5AT do well at the strip. they are consistantly 1/2 second slower in the quater mile. At a 100mph typical terminal speed in a good car a 1/2 second is about a 80 foot lead.

 

My fault, bro. You were first!

 

would like a mt but i have an at. rush hour traffic is bad so in a way its better

 

So I will chime in w/ my preference: MT FTW!

 

empty all the way

 

what are the final drive ratios.??

 

I'm not gonna vote, cause I like them both. I've owned an "05 TL 6MT, and I traded for an "07 TL-S 5A/T
Positive for 6MT:
Better weight transfer, lighter weight, strong performance, better gas mileage,
Negative for the 6MT:
Notchy 3rd gear in mine, torque steer. Arthritis in left knee in my application, resale value, the mere POSSIBILITY of an improper downshift overreving the engine.

Positive for the 5AT:
No more arthritis pain, more relaxed driving overall, controlled torque steer, better for traffic, wifey can drive it. Paddle shifters are pretty cool.
Negative for the 5AT:
Let's hope Acura has built a long lasting transmission (looks good for the TL-S on paper) Could be positive OR negative. Heavier weight, less aggressive weight transfer, slightly less gas mileage.
It's all good

 

I hate autos. Yawn. I personally prefer stick in traffic

<--- 30k miles a year in SoCal traffic

 

I traded in a 2003 TL-S for the 3rd gen MT, just for the tranny change. Oh and I had to have the Brembos. MT is way more fun. Even if it was slower (It ain't), I'd still have gone with the MT. By the way, my S.O. can't drive it either. Too bad

 

Final drive ratio 5AT 4.31-1.00 6MT 3.39-1.00

Total gear multiplication available for acceleration - all else being equal, the bigger number will accelerate a car faster

5AT
1st - 11.8
2nd - 6.9
3rd - 4.6
4th - 2.9
5th - 2.1

6MT
1st - 12.9
2nd - 8.4
3rd - 5.7
4th - 4.2
5th - 3.3
6th - 2.6

 

I'd like to see the results if you polled TL "passengers" on their preference of MT vs AT. No doubt MT is fun for the driver (except in traffic).

 

MT and Only MT!!!
Quicker and more control!!!

 

Voted MT, and just picked up a slightly used 2007 TL-S KBP 6MT. I'm lovin life right now! Like someone else posted earlier, if the TL didn't come in a stick, I wouldn't be driving a TL. Sux, 'cause the wife absolutely refuses to learn how to drive an MT (I guess some people might think that's a good thing!)

Interesting how this thread shows more MT's, but out in the real world they're quite scarce. What is it, like 1 out of every 10 cars is a stick?

 

I prefer AT. When im driving a luxury sedan, I don't want to have to worry about shifting but, when im in the mood for a little sportyness I move the shifter over to manual mode.

 

looks like the 5AT will have some trouble keeping up with a 6mt

 

My first car was a manual, its fun and love the fact that I can control my speed a lot better, and being in control. After a while it gets annoying, plus after my first car totaled out I got a motorcycle which I rode as my main source of transportation. Now, when I hop into a car I like to just cruise and relax.

 

6MT :ftw:

 

That would depend on who was drivin'. If driven correctly, the MT can be smoother than the AT. I'm not going to make any such claims about my driving. Once in a while I'll get it just right and think "That shift was better than the Odyssey" (especially with downshifting, rev matching).

 

Passengers? What passengers?

Whaddup Cool Cat!

 

To add to all the mayhem here .........

With an MT, you drive the car. With an AT, the car drives you.

Also, in slippery conditions like rain, mud, and snow, that Limited Slip Differential that only comes with the MT can make the difference in not getting stuck.
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:'''''''''( i want a stick car so bad.. my baby is automatic.. soon tradeing it for an 08 s type..o yea forgot SSM S TYPE