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Old 06-24-2011 | 02:16 PM
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Plea to AZ Moderators: summarize the Racing ATF thread and put in garage

Mods,

Just wanted to get a request to you guys. I think it would be very beneficial to this site if someone could edit Post #1 of the Racing ATF thread with a nice summary of some of the key findings and then put it in the garage.

I have seen this sentiment too many times on this site . . .

Originally Posted by lucnex
god damnit I do not want to read another 20 page thread full of BS. Someone needs to condence this shit and put it in the garage....
. . . and I can sympathize. Folks start to read, are interested, but it is just so long a thread with so much repetitive dialogue that it becomes extremely time consuming to pick out the good and important info.
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Old 06-24-2011 | 02:32 PM
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If someone one wants to summarize all the answers in one post we can add it to the first post and put in the garage and close that thing down.
Old 06-24-2011 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jhumbo
Mods,

Just wanted to get a request to you guys. I think it would be very beneficial to this site if someone could edit Post #1 of the Racing ATF thread with a nice summary of some of the key findings and then put it in the garage.

I have seen this sentiment too many times on this site . . .



. . . and I can sympathize. Folks start to read, are interested, but it is just so long a thread with so much repetitive dialogue that it becomes extremely time consuming to pick out the good and important info.
No problem! I'll get it done with the help of IHC if needed in the next couple of days.
Old 06-24-2011 | 04:01 PM
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Please AZ moderators: summarize all of K-12, College, and Medical School in 1 page and put it in the garage.
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Old 06-24-2011 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChamp531
Please AZ moderators: summarize all of K-12, College, and Medical School in 1 page and put it in the garage.
Old 06-24-2011 | 10:21 PM
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I think Champ needs to stay after school for being a smart-ass!
Old 06-24-2011 | 10:27 PM
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Steven, pleaaase punish me in Detention.

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Old 06-25-2011 | 01:48 AM
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Old 06-25-2011 | 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TheChamp531
Please AZ moderators: summarize all of K-12, College, and Medical School in 1 page and put it in the garage.
Haha +1, I feel your pain, Im also trying to get into dental school.
Old 06-25-2011 | 02:12 AM
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No problem! I'll get it done with the help of IHC if needed in the next couple of days.
IHC would rather eat 2 chocolate covered raccoons than to talk about the ATF fluids to death again. #amirite?
Old 06-25-2011 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TheChamp531
Please AZ moderators: summarize all of K-12, College, and Medical School in 1 page and put it in the garage.
I think that adds up to about a million dollars worth of education, Paypal me it and I'll post it.
Old 06-25-2011 | 10:13 PM
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Basically, here is my quick summary of the thread:
  • In Feb. 2010, Inacurrate, a member of this forum, posed the question asking what the effect of using a fluid with less friction modifier might be on the 3G TL.
  • Friction modifier is an additive in most OEM transmission fluids nowadays.
  • The Honda/Acura Z1 ATF has a lot of FM. Apparently it is way too much FM.
  • In fact, late in 2010, Acura/Honda released a replacement fluid and recommended it for all vehicles and discontinued the Z1 fluid.
  • FM allows for softer, less noticeable shifts at the expense of excess transmission clutch wear.
  • Members on this forum have tried several alternative fluids including Type-F fluids from Redline and Amsoil with positive results.
  • From Redline, they produce three fluids that are appropriate for the 3G TL
    1) D4 - This is designed to be an equivalent alternative to Z1. It still has FM, but it appears to be less FM than the Honda-Z1 ATF.
    2) Racing Type F - This has no FM at all. It is also a thicker viscosity that the OEM Z1 fluid.
    3) Lightweight Racing - This has no FM at all and is a thinner viscosity than the OEM Z1 fluid.
  • It is okay to mix fluids. Many members have mixed the Redline fluids and many members mix Redline Racing with Lightweight Racing at a ratio of 2:1 to bring it closer to the OEM viscosity. This is not necessary and there are members who have run straight Racing and others who have run straight Lightweight with no issues.
  • FAQ: Does using Redline Type-F Racing fluid cause any issues? This is asked many times in the thread. There are many reports of members who have put tens of thousands of miles on their cars with the Redline fluid, so it is unlikely that it is harmful. In addition, many members notice much less clutch material on the magnetic drain bolt.

Okay, I very quickly dug up a few of what I believe are important posts. I'm sure I'm missing a couple good nuggets.

Viscosities:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=282
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=570

Conversation with Redline pointing out that Type-F may not be good in modern cars with a torque converter, but if no shudder then it should not be an issue. The torque converter shudder is the concern:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=344

Mixing fluids and other info:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=345

Fluid types:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=396
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Old 06-25-2011 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by csmeance
I think that adds up to about a million dollars worth of education, Paypal me it and I'll post it.
July 4th specials? 50% off?! If so, deal.
Old 06-26-2011 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jhumbo
Basically, here is my quick summary of the thread:

.....
Well done!!

I'm not all that "up" on that thread, but really like the way you listed some key points and then catagorized links for key posts.

Old 06-26-2011 | 01:58 PM
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I'll help out with the facts. Inaccurate and several others are much better at write ups than myself but I'll give it a shot if it helps.

The problem is the quote in the first post of this thread. That guy was pissed because I finally put my foot down and wouldn't answer the same question that had literally been asked and answered over 40 times in that thread (count 'em). People don't feel like reading the thread but they expect myself and a few others to answer the same question over and over every day and get pissed when we've had enough. It's so bad that I've left my PMs full for a month because it fills up with that question also. Ironically, that's how the thread got so bloated in the first place. You could delete half the posts in that thread and not lose a bit of valuable info. I've probably spent a few hours of my time answering the same question because people can't spend 10 minutes of their time to read.

I enjoy helping people and answering questions and discussing the racing atf and the switches. I pretty much never get tired of answering questions but this was crazy. "which atf should I use and how many quarts of lightweight and racing should I use", when the answers were sometimes on the same page they posted the question on. It's not just me, I've noticed pretty much all of the key players stopped posted a while ago. Hopefully this writeup will be the solution.
Old 06-26-2011 | 02:23 PM
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I wanna change my ATF I already ordered a case of Redling Racing Type F, can anyone show me how to change it? should I do 1x3 at a time or 3x3 in one day? can I also mix it with D4? oh oh.. and do you recommend Amsoil over Red line?

Thanks in advance!!!
Old 06-26-2011 | 02:29 PM
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^u're seconds away from getting e-slapped by IHC

I'd WAIT for his writeup before even THINKING about asking anymore questions
Old 06-26-2011 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by umakemekissu
I wanna change my ATF I already ordered a case of Redling Racing Type F, can anyone show me how to change it? should I do 1x3 at a time or 3x3 in one day? can I also mix it with D4? oh oh.. and do you recommend Amsoil over Red line?

Thanks in advance!!!
Lol. That sums up the last few pages of that thread.

I'm going to start on this today but I'm going to be very busy until Thursday. There was a death in the gf's family and since he was very well known in the community, the amount of work and organization is crazy. Planning for over 1,000 people at the funeral and there's the Rosary and a couple viewings also. Anyway, I don't want to get off topic, but I don't want anyone to think I'm lazy.
Old 06-26-2011 | 03:04 PM
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I say no, don't summarize! Why did I have to read and sort things out and others will have the luxury of a summerized thread
Old 06-26-2011 | 05:20 PM
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^then if you read it then you wouldnt have asked a question. You probably need the summarization more than anyone else!
Old 06-26-2011 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by umakemekissu
I wanna change my ATF I already ordered a case of Redling Racing Type F, can anyone show me how to change it? should I do 1x3 at a time or 3x3 in one day? can I also mix it with D4? oh oh.. and do you recommend Amsoil over Red line?




This is great

Like trying to plug a leak in a dam. Plug-up this leak and another leak sprouts up elsewhere.

The only solutions is to implement a new Ban policy - Anyone that mentions ATF gets an automatic two-week ban.

This sorta reminds me of the movie "Men in Black" where they use the neuralyzer to blank-out all memory of the event from the person's mind. Does AZ have a neuralyzer ?

Racing ATF?? What's that
Change your own atf ??? No. Let the dealership do that using geniune Z1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NObQcOdk
Old 06-26-2011 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Inaccurate




This is great

Like trying to plug a leak in a dam. Plug-up this leak and another leak sprouts up elsewhere.

The only solutions is to implement a new Ban policy - Anyone that mentions ATF gets an automatic two-week ban.

This sorta reminds me of the movie "Men in Black" where they use the neuralyzer to blank-out all memory of the event from the person's mind. Does AZ have a neuralyzer ?

Racing ATF?? What's that
Change your own atf ??? No. Let the dealership do that using geniune Z1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7NObQcOdk
Lol. Good to see you back! I think that poster was making fun of the other posters in that particular thread but that sums it up well..... That was basically how the last half of that thread went.
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Originally Posted by umakemekissu
I wanna change my ATF I already ordered a case of Redling Racing Type F, can anyone show me how to change it? should I do 1x3 at a time or 3x3 in one day? can I also mix it with D4? oh oh.. and do you recommend Amsoil over Red line?

Thanks in advance!!!
You don't need a summary and you don't need to read/re-read the ATF thread.

You need to bookmark this link: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/3g-tl-garage-faq-3g-tl-newbies-553554/


If you did, you would find innumerable gems. Such as:


C-026: DIY:ATF drain and refill (Automatic Transmission Fluid Change
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/c-026-diy-changing-atf-pics-745892/ - w/Pictures; DIY Video Added



AND this timeless classic:

C-025: DIY:The RR Journals: ATF drain and refill (Automatic Transmission Fluid Change
https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/anybody-good-xp-89064/



You also forgot Red Text in your original post.
Old 06-27-2011 | 12:54 AM
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^then if you read it then you wouldnt have asked a question. You probably need the summarization more than anyone else!
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Originally Posted by umakemekissu
I was pretty sure you were joking. Next time we need the text in red so its clear to everyone that it is sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
Well done!!

I'm not all that "up" on that thread, but really like the way you listed some key points and then catagorized links for key posts.

It was a quick and sloppy 10-minute job. Hopefully, someone else can build off of it and create a more complete write up. I didn't really mention all the discussion about how Z1 fluid along with the switches is causing so much wear on our transmissions, that we suspect it is causing a good number of premature transmission failures.
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Originally Posted by csmeance
Originally Posted by TheChamp531
Please AZ moderators: summarize all of K-12, College, and Medical School in 1 page and put it in the garage.
I think that adds up to about a million dollars worth of education, Paypal me it and I'll post it.
Actually, U.S. education funding comes out to roughly $10,000 per student per year for K-12, so that would be $130,000. Average college cost is about $30,000 per year (private school, so no tax dollars subsidizing the cost). That puts us up at $250,000 after college. Medical School average cost is $140,000 for the four years, so it looks like were just pretty much at $400,000.

Not quite a million dollars, but getting there that's for sure.
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Regarding the above joke post

The funny (and sad at the same time) part of this is that in the Racing ATF thread (and many other atf threads), I could swear "those people" were joking with thier constant repeative questions.......

"You have got to be kidding me with that question"

But the sad truth was.... they were seriously asking.

So we are a bit "gun shy" when it comes to people joking about atf question....... most atf question are seriously asked, but appear as jokes to the rest of us....

"You have got to be kidding me with that question"
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