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Old May 31, 2017 | 07:13 PM
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You actually think oil comes from dinosaurs..
According to this one dinosaur at my men's club, yeah it does.
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Old May 31, 2017 | 07:42 PM
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lol this discussion starting to getting out of hand, I remember days where TL was bought for $22k-$30 instead of $3.5k-$10k and we didn't have such a childish conversation. After all its your car use whatever you like....
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 07:57 AM
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This is one of those threads that should have started with the same title as the back page of MAD magazine does every month.

"HERE WE GO WITH ANOTHER RIDICULOUS MAD FOLD IN"

I've made it to 265K using ONLY synthetic 5W-20 and 1st quality oil filters
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 08:43 AM
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...Personally, I run whatever 5w20 semi-syn is on sale...
And just like that: bam. M1 has a $12 rebate on their synthetic oil 5qt jugs. $10.88 at WalMart after rebate!!!

https://mobiloil.com/en/promotion/mo...nd-mobil-super
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
And just like that: bam. M1 has a $12 rebate on their synthetic oil 5qt jugs. $10.88 at WalMart after rebate!!!

https://mobiloil.com/en/promotion/mo...nd-mobil-super
Walmart is on the list though.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 08:59 AM
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No worries. The rebate is good at WalMart. Always has been, always will be.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
No worries. The rebate is good at WalMart. Always has been, always will be.
Plus it shows that the deal expired yesterday. May 31st.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 09:25 AM
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Alright well after this fiasco, I decided to just go to walmart yesterday and get Mobil one full synthetic 5w-20....and now, with a big thanks to nfnsquared, I'm eligible for the $12 rebate when I mail my receipt in because it was on the last day of May. I guess I'll pass off my dino oil off to somebody else for free (like how I received it in the first place! haha)
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 10:04 AM
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M1 has run pretty much that same rebate at least once/quarter. There will be another rebate within your MID interval

You can get SuperTech synthetic 5w20 for less than $18 anytime at WalMart. And M1 5w20 is only $22.88 at WalMart through Oct 31.
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I'm just curious; when folks opt for synthetic oil, regardless of whether it is Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, or any other brand for that matter, why do you stay with the 5W-20 grade when for the same money you can buy 0W-20 which is equal to or better than 5W-20 in literally every aspect?
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 10:17 AM
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I run the 0w20 if it's on sale. SuperTech doesn't make 0w20 (at least WalMart didn't carry it at the time), so I bought 2 years worth of the 5w20 when it was on sale for $8.61. Not really sure about your "or better than 5w20 in every respect" statement though....
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
I run the 0w20 if it's on sale. SuperTech doesn't make 0w20 (at least WalMart didn't carry it at the time), so I bought 2 years worth of the 5w20 when it was on sale for $8.61. Not really sure about your "or better than 5w20 in every respect" statement though....
Same high temperature performance under load, superior cold start flow characteristics (where most engine wear happens).
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
I'm just curious; when folks opt for synthetic oil, regardless of whether it is Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, or any other brand for that matter, why do you stay with the 5W-20 grade when for the same money you can buy 0W-20 which is equal to or better than 5W-20 in literally every aspect?

I would definitely opt for 0W20.

Its the year 2017.

Here is a semi-relevant story:
I once used 80W90 gear oil that had been sitting in a non climate controlled environment for 10 years (well...10 + 65 million) in a dirt track honda civic HX which had 198K miles on it.

Me and my friends then spent a full day lapping this car for fastest time. My time was abysmal because I went for massive style. So in anger, I lapped the entire course twice in 1st gear. Banging off the rev limiter. The car protested...but...I was the boss. I think ambient temp was like 85F.

It started rod knocking like a MF.

If I would have just used Mobil1 synthetic...that motor would still live on today.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 11:24 AM
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If I would have just used Mobil1 synthetic...that motor would still live on today.
If you would have used just about any other proper oil and not banged off the rev limiter all day, it would still be alive.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Same high temperature performance under load, superior cold start flow characteristics (where most engine wear happens).
While this is true, it gets blown WAY out of proportion. Once again, stuff perpetuated by BITOG... I'm curious to see any data showing how much additional wear happens if using a 5w, or even a 10w oil vs. a 0w oil. I'm guessing the reason it doesn't exist is because no one has done a test long enough to see the end result. It's not like the cylinder walls are completely devoid of any lubrication when the engine is cold. You're right, the oil is thicker upon start up. But even a 0 weight oil is too thick to lubricate properly at start up. So by the end, it's like you're either getting 0.000001% wear on startup with 5w, or 0.0000008% wear on startup with 0w. Can anyone really detect the 0.000002% difference in wear, even after 10000 cold starts? I'm obviously just making numbers up, but as mentioned, to date, I've never seen any conclusive evidence of how much additional wear happens.

Originally Posted by Roland_Bluntzs
I would definitely opt for 0W20.

Its the year 2017.

Here is a semi-relevant story:
I once used 80W90 gear oil that had been sitting in a non climate controlled environment for 10 years (well...10 + 65 million) in a dirt track honda civic HX which had 198K miles on it.

Me and my friends then spent a full day lapping this car for fastest time. My time was abysmal because I went for massive style. So in anger, I lapped the entire course twice in 1st gear. Banging off the rev limiter. The car protested...but...I was the boss. I think ambient temp was like 85F.

It started rod knocking like a MF.

If I would have just used Mobil1 synthetic...that motor would still live on today.


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If you would have used just about any other proper oil and not banged off the rev limiter all day, it would still be alive.
I think you completely missed the humor of his post
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
I'm just curious; when folks opt for synthetic oil, regardless of whether it is Mobil 1, Castrol, Pennzoil, or any other brand for that matter, why do you stay with the 5W-20 grade when for the same money you can buy 0W-20 which is equal to or better than 5W-20 in literally every aspect?
For me it's just availability. I get my oil from Wal-mart (I'm a Pennzoil guy) because it's convenient and they will always have 5W-20 but 0W-20 stock is sporadic.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 01:56 PM
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I think you completely missed the humor of his post
I think everyone completely missed the humor of MY post.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 01:59 PM
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I think everyone completely missed the humor of MY post.
that's cuz for our generation, MAD was on TV. lol
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 09:45 PM
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By this logic, go ahead and run the cheapest 87 gas and use low quality aftermarket replacement parts. This isn't a 90's Civic with a 1.6L, even though they're cheaper to buy nowadays. Let's see how long the car lasts.
Please stop spreading your stupidity.
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 10:00 PM
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It's just fucking oil man, just use whatever the fuck You have. Now close this bitch
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Old Jun 1, 2017 | 10:10 PM
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by YungMoola15
It's just fucking oil man, just use whatever the fuck You have. Now close this bitch
Remind me to never buy a used car from you.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Remind me to never buy a used car from you.
For more reasons than just that...
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Remind me to never buy a used car from you.
Mr. Yung forgot that you can search his post / thread history. If you did look into his history, you'd see that he is the perfect example of someone who put in the bare minimum of work and or money and expect long term reliability.

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For more reasons than just that...
Sounds about right.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by YungMoola15
It's just fucking oil man, just use whatever the fuck You have. Now close this bitch
I take it you think your car deserves about the same amount of care and maintenance as your toaster.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 09:18 AM
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I got my oil now, so if a mod wants to close this to prevent further discourse I'd be happy with it haha
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I love oil threads
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 09:47 AM
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I love oil threads
Always guaranteed to generate a lively discussion.
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Remind me to never buy a used car from you.
Originally Posted by thoiboi
For more reasons than just that...
Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN
Mr. Yung forgot that you can search his post / thread history. If you did look into his history, you'd see that he is the perfect example of someone who put in the bare minimum of work and or money and expect long term reliability.



Sounds about right.
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I take it you think your car deserves about the same amount of care and maintenance as your toaster.
Although not particularly eloquently stated, Yungmoola is essentially correct. The current day quality of oil is so good that it probably makes zero difference what oil is used for a daily driver....Any of today's oil that meet OEM specs will be fine.
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Although not particularly eloquently stated, Yungmoola is essentially correct. The current day quality of oil is so good that it probably makes zero difference what oil is used for a daily driver....Any of today's oil that meet OEM specs will be fine.
It is more important to change your oil on a regular basis than it is what type/brand of oil. If I chose to use cheapo Dino oil in my car, I would not expect it to make it to 10,000 miles between changes. I would have no issues buying a car from someone who used cheap oil every 3k miles or from someone who used fancy oil every 10k+ miles truthfully. As long as the maintenance is being done properly when needed...who cares. I don't even have a clue what type of oil is even in my TL. It is what ever the dealer puts in there when my MID lights up and I drop it off for an oil change.

And yes....I treat my car like my toaster. I use it, I clean it, and I expect it to work. I think my toaster may get cleaned more often than my car does.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackass
It is more important to change your oil on a regular basis than it is what type/brand of oil. If I chose to use cheapo Dino oil in my car, I would not expect it to make it to 10,000 miles between changes. I would have no issues buying a car from someone who used cheap oil every 3k miles or from someone who used fancy oil every 10k+ miles truthfully. As long as the maintenance is being done properly when needed...who cares. I don't even have a clue what type of oil is even in my TL. It is what ever the dealer puts in there when my MID lights up and I drop it off for an oil change.

And yes....I treat my car like my toaster. I use it, I clean it, and I expect it to work. I think my toaster may get cleaned more often than my car does.
Both appliances....but does your toaster have vtec?
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 01:14 PM
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Both appliances....but does your toaster have vtec?

It is a VTECH brand toaster, yes.

After 4.5 mins, the burner switches to high heat. MASSIVE power all the way to the end. I haven't had a non burned piece of toast in years, bruv.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 01:23 PM
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^^^^ when the vtec oil pressure sensor starts leaking, you'll have a self-buttering toaster
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Although not particularly eloquently stated, Yungmoola is essentially correct. The current day quality of oil is so good that it probably makes zero difference what oil is used for a daily driver....Any of today's oil that meet OEM specs will be fine.
Nah I was alluding to young moolah's car flipping uncle.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 03:21 PM
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^^^^ when the vtec oil pressure sensor starts leaking, you'll have a self-buttering toaster
I only use Margarine1 extended performance. I change the tub every 2 weeks to be safe.

Conventional butter is for people who treat their bread like a toaster.
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Old Jun 2, 2017 | 07:23 PM
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It's API rated with a SN rating so its good stuff, albeit, its petroleum based and not as tough as synthetic, but still good oil. Best to change it at 3k miles just for peace of mind.
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It's API rated with a SN rating so its good stuff, albeit, its petroleum based and not as tough as synthetic, but still good oil. Best to change it at 3k miles just for peace of mind.
Three-thousand miles? Based upon what evidence?
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Old Jun 3, 2017 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
I love oil threads

Well this turn into a lube thread lol.
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Old Jun 3, 2017 | 09:23 AM
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[QUOTE=horseshoez;16030836]Three-thousand miles? Based upon what evidence?[/QUOTe
Just based on what the big oil companies have brainwashed into me since I was a little kid.
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Three-thousand miles? Based upon what evidence?
Just based on what the big oil companies have brainwashed into me since I was a little kid.
I'm thinking it's time to get unbrainwashed.
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