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new TL today...but very sad...
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I am picking up my new Acura TL 6-manual, navi, A-spec today. I'm excited to be getting a stick again, but it is a very sad day.
I'm trading in my Porsche Cayenne Turbo that is completely optioned out (20" Sporttechnos, 4-zone AC, Sport tailpipes, Illuminated door sills, park distance control, thermal glass, etc.) Why you ask? Because of my impending divorce is putting a serious crimp on my monthly cash flow...for now.
So, I am excited about getting back into Acura (my first car 14 years ago was the original Acura Integra LS). But it is a sad day when trading in a Porsche...escpecially a Turbo
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I am picking up my new Acura TL 6-manual, navi, A-spec today. I'm excited to be getting a stick again, but it is a very sad day.
I'm trading in my Porsche Cayenne Turbo that is completely optioned out (20" Sporttechnos, 4-zone AC, Sport tailpipes, Illuminated door sills, park distance control, thermal glass, etc.) Why you ask? Because of my impending divorce is putting a serious crimp on my monthly cash flow...for now.
So, I am excited about getting back into Acura (my first car 14 years ago was the original Acura Integra LS). But it is a sad day when trading in a Porsche...escpecially a Turbo
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1988 Acura Integra LS
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I loved driving the Bimmers, but I couldn't stand the nearly constant things going wrong. From power steering failures, alarm system gremlins, etc.
The Porsche Cayenne TT was flawless. I gonna miss the sensation of hurtling down the road in 6000 lbs of truck with the turbos winding up...sigh.
But, I'm really looking forward to the TL. I disliked the "manumatic" steering wheel toggles in the TT. But, I gotta say that I'm not really looking all that forward to the dreaded..."torque steer" after being in RWD Bimmers and the 4 wheel drive TT. The test drive was very impressive. Hopefully the A-spec package will tone down the torque steer.
I gonna get past this divorce and start saving again...
The Porsche Cayenne TT was flawless. I gonna miss the sensation of hurtling down the road in 6000 lbs of truck with the turbos winding up...sigh.
But, I'm really looking forward to the TL. I disliked the "manumatic" steering wheel toggles in the TT. But, I gotta say that I'm not really looking all that forward to the dreaded..."torque steer" after being in RWD Bimmers and the 4 wheel drive TT. The test drive was very impressive. Hopefully the A-spec package will tone down the torque steer.
I gonna get past this divorce and start saving again...
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alin2,
I understand where you are coming from especially that your last two cars were the E39 M5 and Cayenne Turbo. However, I myself was surprised with the new Acura TL as it does not drive like a Honda Accord which my previous TL did. Instead, it drives closer to a BMW 5-series (non- M of course). You won't be disappointed but you are not going to like the over boosted steering especially that you are coming from a BMW and Porsche.
Good luck!
I understand where you are coming from especially that your last two cars were the E39 M5 and Cayenne Turbo. However, I myself was surprised with the new Acura TL as it does not drive like a Honda Accord which my previous TL did. Instead, it drives closer to a BMW 5-series (non- M of course). You won't be disappointed but you are not going to like the over boosted steering especially that you are coming from a BMW and Porsche.
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by e46m3
... I myself was surprised with the new Acura TL as it does not drive like a Honda Accord which my previous TL did. Instead, it drives closer to a BMW 5-series (non- M of course). You won't be disappointed but you are not going to like the over boosted steering especially that you are coming from a BMW and Porsche.
I keep reading about the A-spec package but that places the TL on par with a fully loaded BMW 330i with the Performance package.
In addition, I would probably swap tires on the 2005 TL (and get the Falkens). This would add to the total price.
The steering/handling of the TL is what now makes me inclined to buy a 330i instead of the TL (which will be sad:'( ).
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Originally Posted by Eduardo
Why is the steering on the TL overboasted?! Is there anyway to minimze this?
People here said that changing tires and suspension will help reduce the problem but it is still there. It is a good thing that my 04TL is just my daily driver. But then again, the rest of the car is awesome that outweighs this issue, IMO.
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Heck yeah I'm gonna enjoy the TL A-spec! I enjoy driving anything that is well engineered. And, now that I have cut my monthly payment by more than half, I will be able to afford other things...like food, shelter, etc.
Also the 13 mpg the Cayenne TT got was painful every week at the pump.
I just got back from the dealership. They don't have the full A-Spec package on yet. I'll have to wait until next week to get the suspension mods and the new steering wheel. The TS-X I'm driving now aint bad...
Also the 13 mpg the Cayenne TT got was painful every week at the pump.
I just got back from the dealership. They don't have the full A-Spec package on yet. I'll have to wait until next week to get the suspension mods and the new steering wheel. The TS-X I'm driving now aint bad...
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It is over boosted because Acura made a mistake. I won't be surprised if they fix that problem in the MY 05 TL. Audi and BMW had problems with over boosted steering in the past. Even the first year of the E46 M3 had that problem which they fixed on the second year (02).
People here said that changing tires and suspension will help reduce the problem but it is still there. It is a good thing that my 04TL is just my daily driver. But then again, the rest of the car is awesome that outweighs this issue, IMO.
People here said that changing tires and suspension will help reduce the problem but it is still there. It is a good thing that my 04TL is just my daily driver. But then again, the rest of the car is awesome that outweighs this issue, IMO.
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Originally Posted by e46m3
It is over boosted because Acura made a mistake. I won't be surprised if they fix that problem in the MY 05 TL. Audi and BMW had problems with over boosted steering in the past. Even the first year of the E46 M3 had that problem which they fixed on the second year (02)...
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Yeah. If its one thing that Germam marques have is supreme feeling for the road. But even with less numb steering, until the TL goes RWD with 50/50 balance or AWD, the TL will never handle like a Bimmer.
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alin2,
I understand where you are coming from especially that your last two cars were the E39 M5 and Cayenne Turbo. However, I myself was surprised with the new Acura TL as it does not drive like a Honda Accord which my previous TL did. Instead, it drives closer to a BMW 5-series (non- M of course). You won't be disappointed but you are not going to like the over boosted steering especially that you are coming from a BMW and Porsche.
Good luck!
I understand where you are coming from especially that your last two cars were the E39 M5 and Cayenne Turbo. However, I myself was surprised with the new Acura TL as it does not drive like a Honda Accord which my previous TL did. Instead, it drives closer to a BMW 5-series (non- M of course). You won't be disappointed but you are not going to like the over boosted steering especially that you are coming from a BMW and Porsche.
Good luck!
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I keeping an open mind re: handling, especially given that I have ot yet driven the A-spec. I think Acura has reached the limits of FWD. The front wheels are just being asked to do too much.
Only bad thing is that RWD and AWD with powerful engines require winter tires where I live. Then again, my M5 with winter rubber (Blizzaks) was an AWESOME snowmobile.
Only bad thing is that RWD and AWD with powerful engines require winter tires where I live. Then again, my M5 with winter rubber (Blizzaks) was an AWESOME snowmobile.
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I compared the TL to a new 530i (E60), but couldn't justify $800+/month in a lease with $3000 down.
TL is a great car - and was a great deal when I got mine in October. Enjoy.
TL is a great car - and was a great deal when I got mine in October. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by TL-Rocket
BTW, the over boosted steering has been corrected. My SSM/6MT has just the right feel.
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The funny thing is that my 99 TL steering feel was awesome. I just think that Acura made the mistake of over boosting the steering. I can't do a point and shoot driving with this car and I am aware that it is very capable.
It only really affects me when I do spirited driving on off and on ramps, otherwise it's fine by me.
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When I drove a car with a 57k VIN at Auto Show in Motion a few weeks ago, the steering didn't seem as overboosted as on my very early VIN car. I think the problem was corrected, but I similarly don't know how. My problem was mostly resolved with the addition of the A-Spec suspension.
Welcome to the club, alin2! Fellow physician here. One of my colleagues has a Cayenne Turbo and at one point I thought I'd be interested in it, but I decided I'd rather put the money I would've spent leasing it toward my retirement. Happy motoring!
Welcome to the club, alin2! Fellow physician here. One of my colleagues has a Cayenne Turbo and at one point I thought I'd be interested in it, but I decided I'd rather put the money I would've spent leasing it toward my retirement. Happy motoring!
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Neurologist. (and happy with the resulting lower malpractice ins. payments, compared to a neurosurgeon...)
BTW, I'd have a hard time giving up a Cayenne Turbo, too, if I had one. :'(
BTW, I'd have a hard time giving up a Cayenne Turbo, too, if I had one. :'(
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Originally Posted by alin2
Heck yeah I'm gonna enjoy the TL A-spec! I enjoy driving anything that is well engineered. And, now that I have cut my monthly payment by more than half, I will be able to afford other things...like food, shelter, etc.
Also the 13 mpg the Cayenne TT got was painful every week at the pump.
I just got back from the dealership. They don't have the full A-Spec package on yet. I'll have to wait until next week to get the suspension mods and the new steering wheel. The TS-X I'm driving now aint bad...
Also the 13 mpg the Cayenne TT got was painful every week at the pump.
I just got back from the dealership. They don't have the full A-Spec package on yet. I'll have to wait until next week to get the suspension mods and the new steering wheel. The TS-X I'm driving now aint bad...
Speaking from experience the TL A-Spec is a VERY nice ride indeed! It does suffer from some issues when taken to the limits (even the A-Spec suspension damping has felt a bit soft from time to time) but overall it is a joy to drive!!
One last note, if you are looking forward to much better gas mileage......be prepared as I am getting 16mpg with the TL (combination city/highway). Granted I do stomp on the fun pedal, but not as often as 16mpg indicates!
Still I cannot wait to drive her
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alin2,
Ughh.... Getting rid of your Cayenne sucks bigtime ass. Coincidentally, I was in my 04 TL 6MT today and was owned by a C TT on the freeway. THose things seem to defy the laws of physics.
I think you should seriously considering hiring someone to make sure your wife as a little accident![Snipe](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/snipe.gif)
JK.....sorry to hear about your situation
Ughh.... Getting rid of your Cayenne sucks bigtime ass. Coincidentally, I was in my 04 TL 6MT today and was owned by a C TT on the freeway. THose things seem to defy the laws of physics.
I think you should seriously considering hiring someone to make sure your wife as a little accident
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JK.....sorry to hear about your situation
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Off topic. Truthfully, I am grateful to my wife for allowing me to enjoy the cars that I have had. We're both physicians, so our combined income allowed me to enjoy the past vehicles. Now, I'm gonna have to save more money for the dream car....a Porsche Carrera 4S or an E60 BMW M5.
1st impressions of the TL. It was delivered late last night by the dealer.
1. The car feels very well put together.
2. Superb ergonomics...as usual with Honda/Acura. If it's one thing I can't stand is poor ergos in an premium vehicle. It's a pleasure to have an appropriately placed dead pedal...why can't the Germans just copy that?
3. Very peppy engine.
4. Slick, but a little numb manual trans. Nice short throw, but a little too light for me.
5. Clutch has too much throw.
6. Steering is definitely numb. Very little road feel. I agree with the overboost.
7. Awesome set of features. I could get used to XM.
8. Nav is a million times better than the Bimmer or Porsche versions.
9. Can't wait to get a Bluetooth phone...grrrhh Verizon.
10. Dealer did an awful job prepping the car. Swirl marks and crap galore on the hood. Sigh, I guess I'll have to break out the PC orbital.
11. Engine has nice growl.
Overall, the TL is an amazing amount of car for the money. I can't wait to get the A-spec suspension and 18" wheels on.
1st impressions of the TL. It was delivered late last night by the dealer.
1. The car feels very well put together.
2. Superb ergonomics...as usual with Honda/Acura. If it's one thing I can't stand is poor ergos in an premium vehicle. It's a pleasure to have an appropriately placed dead pedal...why can't the Germans just copy that?
3. Very peppy engine.
4. Slick, but a little numb manual trans. Nice short throw, but a little too light for me.
5. Clutch has too much throw.
6. Steering is definitely numb. Very little road feel. I agree with the overboost.
7. Awesome set of features. I could get used to XM.
8. Nav is a million times better than the Bimmer or Porsche versions.
9. Can't wait to get a Bluetooth phone...grrrhh Verizon.
10. Dealer did an awful job prepping the car. Swirl marks and crap galore on the hood. Sigh, I guess I'll have to break out the PC orbital.
11. Engine has nice growl.
Overall, the TL is an amazing amount of car for the money. I can't wait to get the A-spec suspension and 18" wheels on.
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Yup. The C-TT cost $95,000 and I added 20" sport technos, sport exhaust tips, illuminated door sills. This put in over the 100k mark probably. Of course, since I only had it for 7 months, I lost "only" about 22k.
The new M5 is estimated at around 80k. The new 911 is not yet released in the 4S version. But they run around 90-100k optioned out. If you want to see a dizzingly complex option list (antithesis of Acura) check out the Porsche options.
The new M5 is estimated at around 80k. The new 911 is not yet released in the 4S version. But they run around 90-100k optioned out. If you want to see a dizzingly complex option list (antithesis of Acura) check out the Porsche options.
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