Test Drove The New Tl.no Balls My 02 Tls Smokes Wheels In First And Chirps 2nd. No Low End Torque. Anybody With Same Problem. By The Way Auto Trans

 

I don't.

 

Your New Tl Can Spin Wheels Off Line With Auto?

 

hahahaha my tl off the line will not stop spinning the wheels in fact i wish there was a way to stop them from spinning .. i think i need grippier tires

 

i have a 04 when new it couldnt spin for crap, but after 7k i can get a real nice launch in 1st, but then again why burn off 400$ worth of tires, by the way my car is faster than my buddy's 03 TL-s if it matters

 

Auto Trans?

 

Why After 7k?

 

Test Drive another & turn off VSA.

 

Break in, this car gets faster as u put miles on her

 

My car is Auto, and it does. Vrrrroooooooooooooooom

 

i don't know why everyone says the 2nd gen has more torque when dynos clearly show that the 3rd gen puts out more torque. not only that put it puts out more torque at an eatlier rpm. also 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times for the 3rd gen have all improved slightly vs the 2nd generation.

 

drive a car that has been broken in. i love all these posts by tl-s drivers trying to claim their car is faster.

 

The reason why you may be smoking your tires is because you have crappy tires. I have crappy tires and I can spin my 02 TL-S all day long. Doesn't mean it's any better.. As other people have said..you need to break in the car first before you really feel the power of the car.

 

The TL's engine managment computer adjusts itself to different drivers. It takes time, sometimes several thousand miles for the computer to adapt to your particular driving style. This explains why the TL starts to perform better and better as you drive it, and why a test drive doesnt seem to great. Mine has about 13000 miles on it and it has definatly changed from when i first got it. It almost anticipates my moves. Even with an automatic, it spins wheels off the line and if you turn off the VSA it will spin all the way thru first. Not bad for an automatic!

 

now that is funny...

Part of it is people tend to drive a car more carefully during break in and later learn how to drive the car. I got 3000 on mine and with the snow and whatnot I have not had the chance to drive it the way I would usually...

 

btw the 3G TL does have less low end torque.

 

Does anyone have Dynos for both, for a side-by-side comparison??
I use too have dyno for TL-s but i didn't tranfer it to my new computer.

 

liar.

 

gitRplyr09: Try it again without the personal attack.

-XP

 

I got mine with 11 miles on it and have been driving it fairly aggressive. It spun the tires from a roll getting across the intersection with VSA on

 

The Vehicle Stability Control (VSA) will cut the throttle and apply brakes if there is wheel slippage. If you want to spin the wheels or have manual control over it, you need to turn off the VSA. The switch is on the lower left of the instrument panel. A yellow triangle will light on the dash to tell you it's off.

I don't know if the '02 TL/CL torque is more but I believe the peak comes lower in the RPM band (like a Maxima) and there is more of a feel of power because of that. The TL's HP and torque come on at higher RPM. All test figures I have seen give quicker times to the 3rd Gen TL for 0-60 and quarter mile.

Which do you prefer: lots of wheel spin or faster accelleration?

 

Hah, you know why it won't smoke? Cuz it is an Auto. I test drove that damn slap shift and I have to say it felt gutless. I was like, hell my 220 HP 6th gen Accord has more balls than this, but the manual TL is a different story.

 

 

Honestly, when I first got my 04, it felt a lot slower than my TL-S. After a good break in, my 04 has come ALIVE. Under full throttle off the line, they are very close in terms of speed. I can smoke the tires off the line in both my TL-S and 04 TL. All you have to do is shut VSA off and gun it.

2 things, however, help the TL-S over the 04: Not having the drive by wire throttle system and having a more aggressive auto tranny. Driving the 04 and the TL-S back to back, you can tell Acura retarded the ECU to not let the auto trans be as aggressive as it was. I can chirp into 2nd gear in my TL-S is SS mode, but can't in my 04. Part of it has to do with the tranny, another part has to do with the drive by wire throttle which closes the throttle quickly when you shift. If there was one thing I could change about the 04 TL (and there isnt much) is this Drive by Wire throttle. It really kills the responsive link between your right foot and the engine.

 

I can easily spin my wheels with my 04TL. My car is at 5,300 miles now, and feels so much faster, it seems to open up every 2k miles or so. Its no where near the same car as when i got it, it feels and even sounds more sportier. Today i actually spun my wheels halfway 3/4 of the way into 1st gear, and even heard some chirps while shifitng into 2nd. I think this cars tranny actually adapts to the way you drive, at least that is what it seems like for me.

 

This car becomes noticeably quicker after break-in...even with VSA engaged, the tires want to break loose.

 

Keep in mind that this is a relatively low-torque engine.. 238 lb/ft is NOT Godzilla the Torque Monster. But to give proper credit, Acura (Honda) has done an admirable job of tuning the engine and ECU to deliver superb throttle response which, under normal driving situations, makes the engine feel as though it is producing more torque than it actually is (at least this is the case with my TL).

If you want more torque, you must either increase the displacement or simulate an increase in displacement (forced induction).

 

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106076

here is a previous thread i start concerning this exact situation....

what does it show? that the new tl indeed makes more power (both hp and torque) the the old tl/cl motor. in fact the new tl makes as much as a slightly moded (airbox, exaust) type s motor. not only that from looking at the graphs the power curves are almost identical... mean ing the power peak and general layout is the same.... so no, the 2nd gen doesnt produce more power

Honestly, when I first got my 04, it felt a lot slower than my TL-S. After a good break in, my 04 has come ALIVE. Under full throttle off the line, they are very close in terms of speed. I can smoke the tires off the line in both my TL-S and 04 TL. All you have to do is shut VSA off and gun it.

i belive 2K2SilverTL-S said it best in this quote

"Honestly, when I first got my 04, it felt a lot slower than my TL-S. After a good break in, my 04 has come ALIVE. Under full throttle off the line, they are very close in terms of speed. I can smoke the tires off the line in both my TL-S and 04 TL. All you have to do is shut VSA off and gun it.

2 things, however, help the TL-S over the 04: Not having the drive by wire throttle system and having a more aggressive auto tranny. Driving the 04 and the TL-S back to back, you can tell Acura retarded the ECU to not let the auto trans be as aggressive as it was. I can chirp into 2nd gear in my TL-S is SS mode, but can't in my 04. Part of it has to do with the tranny, another part has to do with the drive by wire throttle which closes the throttle quickly when you shift. If there was one thing I could change about the 04 TL (and there isnt much) is this Drive by Wire throttle. It really kills the responsive link between your right foot and the engine."

that and the 2nd gen tl was LIGHTER which will always help with exceleration....

 

Thanks ONAGER i was waiting for that!!

 

Another possibility here that allows the TLS/CLS autos to spin off the line more easily than a 3G TL is suspension. The new TL is definitely set up more rigid and sporty. The prev. gen cars tend to "rock back" when going WOT from a standstill. The tighter suspension of the 3G stops some of this inefficient motion. This keeps more rubber contact w/ the pavement and results in more forward motion and less wheelspin.

 

What u talkin about WILLIS!I can smoke the tires in my 5AT.A big cloud of smoke.I come back next week and the street still smokin.Thats with my 18" Aspec with Yokahoma.

 

ONAGER, thanks for detailing this issue...

 

Lol, sorry bro, I was just saying that I would rather have the 6mt, but a TL is a TL, I love 'em all!

 

Thanks To All For Advice On This Subject. Hopefully When I Recieve My New Tl Next Month I Will Be Able To Break It In. My 02 Tls Auto With Vsa Off, Spun The Wheels From The Start.so You Can See My Surprise When I Test Drove The New One.

 

Your Accord runs 14s @ close to 100 stock? Damn nice ride...

 

lol, well, the 6th Gen Accord Coupe I had was runnin somewhere in the 15's at 87mph for the 1/4 when I got it with 69,XXX on the clock. I beat a lot of riced out Integras, Probes, civics, and other V6 Accords and what not, nothing to brag about, but had fun at the track nonetheless. I did a few basic mods and what not and dyno'd it at 221HP. But one thing I did forget when I was driving the TL and I said it was kinda slow, ( I don't know why ), but after the break in period, it should be a different car in the speed and accel. sense. That's why I said the Auto seemed kinda slow when I drove it, but after a few hundred or couple thousand, it should be a lot quicker as some of you have previously posted. The Accord though is no where near the TL, but I still love it!

 

I'm not usually the spelling police, but capitalizing every word?

By the way, the Auto TL I drove as a loaner, which was brand new with 75 miles on it, spun the tires with or without VSA on. Obviously the VSA kicked when it was turned on and the wheels didn't spin the same way as when VSA was off.

 

This guy and I see eye to eye on alot of things, you guys should listen to him. We've both have extensive experience ... EXTENSIVE .. with the '02 TL- Type S, so we have a great basis for comparison. I totally agree, the '02 was quicker off the line .. probably due to the direct link throttle... but the '04, though slow brand new, seems to have gained some grunt down low... however, in my case, my 18" A-spec rims have killed some of that new found grunt... just cuz they're are a heavier rim and push the weight of the rim further out to the periphery of the rim .. (physics crap, I couldn't even begin to explain) .. so .. I'm pretty happy w/ the break in of my engine. However, I'm forever disgruntled that the exhaust manifolds are integrated into the engine, leaving no room for companies like Comptech to modify them and add more hp such as w/ the '01-'03 Type S engine.

 

Also, as a matter of fact... running my '04 Stock TL down the strip, I got a best of 15.3 @ 91mph... whereas, w/ my '02 TL-TypeS stock at the same strip under the same conditions (relatively) I got a best of 15.1 @ 92 mph ..

Fully modded (everything comptech minus the supercharger) I ran a best of 14.5 @ 99mph in TL-S ... I miss that quickness .. but I love XM, bluetooth, the new look of the TL, and the A-spec touch.

 

Do you have a clue as to what you're saying? Right out of the hole the auto will be slightly faster because you can launch without clutch slip and get the torque convertor tightened up by revving at the line with some brake lock. After the first 50-60 feet the manual will gain that back because of the reduced drive losses but this assinine comment about the auto being gutless is just plain stupid.