Hi all,

new member and new to Acura world. I am thinking of purchasing a 2006 Acura with 6MT and has roughly around 90k miles. I can get it roughly around $8000, is that a deal or is there anything I should be aware of?

I like the 2004~2009 model and want a 6MT

thoughts?

 

Depending upon the condition of the car, that's a deal, or not. FWIW, I'm in New England and recently bought a near showroom condition 2006 TL 6-Speed with 114,000 miles on the clock for $10,000.

 

I know there is 3rd gear issues, and GM syncromesh fluid will solve the problem

 

To be exact, ACDelco Synchromesh Friction Modified that last bit is REALLY IMPORTANT. FWIW, it surely helped out my transmission where third gear would occasionally grind and/or pop out of gear.

 

Welcome.

Since you post was more technical than just a new member introduction, I moved it to the 3G TL forum. You mentioned 2006 Acura but didn't say which model, but I think TL was the only one with a MT at that time; if you meant another model please let me or another mod know so we can put this thread where it'll get the best attention.

Welcome and happy motoring!

 

well, it stinks that I'm trying to purchase this car and I was told this forum is very informative. However, I don't think I could access this area ... or just wasn't able to find it yesterday.

The vehicle actually a 2004 with no navigation, 6 speed manual. It's a 3rd gen with no navigation (seller has done water pump, timing belt and new tires)
I am aware of the 3rd gear potential issues, but other than that, should I be aware of any other things?

thanks!

 

Yeah; not sure what would have been the issue before. The site layout wasn't super intuitive to me at first.

Now that we've got you in the right place, you'll hopefully get the input you're looking for.

Good luck!

 

For the manual transmission versions of the 3G TL, there really aren't any major issues other than shifting which is of course cured by using ACDelco Synchromesh Friction Modified MTF. There are some typical wear items like bushings in control arms and such, the purge valve for the evap system (which will generate a gas cap message), and the cars can act a bit wonky if the battery is weak. There are also a few cosmetic issues to be on the lookout for; the dash can crack around the passenger side airbag, and the leather can crack and split.

Regarding the asking price for a 2004 model, that's a bit steep unless the car is in excellent condition, and even then it's maybe $500-$1,000 high.

 

The only "oddities" that are specific to the 6MT are the synchros and the clutch itself. You are correct that the difficult shifting "may" be resolved using the GM juice. The clutch itself is the next one...and there isn't really a good way to check/test its condition since the feel stays the same for the most part throughout its life.

Otherwise it is the same as any other TL and the other issues you read about may apply. There are lots of threads that cover the rest of the general used car things to watch for on the TL. A handful of very common things...and a bunch of other "common" items that are mostly based around the age of the car and things will need to be replaced.

 

you should also ask if motor mounts have been replaced or the compliance bushings. see if the dash has started cracking yet. also see if the HFL is working or not, it's common for it to die on us and drain the battery. these are things you could work into a price reduction

 

Good call, I forgot about the HFL and the motor mounts.

 

wow, very good information within the hour after I posted! So you guys think $7000ish is a big too steep for a 2004 with 91k miles? I was told besides the water pump, timing belt and tires... the clutch is also new so I wouldn't have to worry about that. Cosmetic wise Exterior I'm ok with it as long as it's not rust , I understand it's a 13 year old car afterall. I'm not a snob about interior so as long as everything works as it should, I'm ok with it.

I hate to read up on issues about 3G or any other car because the more I read, the more I will end up NOT consider buying the car. I don't want to get too discouraged I really like 6MT and figure it would be a cheap car to buy. I was going to get a Honda Accord Manual Tran, but figured I could buy Acura. I know Honda engines will last, and as long as I stay away from Auto Tran (not bad either), I should be able to get 200k miles out of it.

I plan to use this car as a daily, so it will need to work.

The other option is considering buying a 2011 Ford Crown Victoria, police edition, I hear those cars are very reliable.

 

7000ish is fine for a 6mt with that low of miles, especially considering that the 105k service was already completed. you shouldn't have another +600 dollar repair in many many years.
just make sure it meets your standards for exterior and interior. mechanically it's a very dependable car

 

Welcome!

 

I found a 2007 Type S 6 speed manual with 85,000 miles for $15,000. Is that a good value or you think it's over priced?

Car feels fine mechanically, interior and exterior is roughly 7/10.

 

With cosmetics at only 7/10, I'm thinking that's about $6,000 over priced.

 

 

sorry, maybe interior 9/10, engine drives 8/10. But it's 11 year old car... is it worth $15k

 

It looks to be in about the same condition as the 2006 I just bought, maybe a little rougher. To put this in perspective, mine had just had the Timing Belt/Water Pump/Coolant service done as well as the brakes at all four corners; mine had 114,000 miles on the clock and I got it for $10,000.

 

The Timing Belt/Water Pump/Coolant service done as well as the brakes at all four corners is a saving of over $1000.

I don't want any car more than 95k miles, I need to use it as a daily. 14k seems about right I guess... these cars aren't cheap even for a used one. I remember when they were new, they cost about $38k

 

My pre-buy mileage limit was low like yours, but after seeing all but one car with lesser miles in MUCH worse condition, I was happy to buy the one I got.

Long story short, I think $15,000 for that car is way high.

 

Shoez, Type-S fetches more than base model. Also manual is a premium! I think that is priced well, maybe $14k would be more realistic.

 

Supply and demand at play here. As Breezy mentions - Type S AND 6 Speed are harder and harder to find.

OP would a good detailing and / or cleaning bring the 7 up to an 8 or more? What are you seeing that makes it a "7"? Might just be the pictures and/or how they were taken but the Black paint seems to be sort of grey and not the deep black it is supposed to be.

How much is it worth to you?? Definitely get an independent inspection and check Carfax, etc that you would normally do for a used car purchase.

 

$15k seems just a tad high to me. As already stated by BreezyTL, $14k seems more reasonable.

Here's a local example of a 2007 TL-S 5AT w/90k miles on the clock and an asking price of $13k. Add another $1k for the 6MT that you want.

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...144220723.html

 

Might just be the lighting on the color. Definitely stands out though as not the deep black it should be. Interior looks clean. Not sure as well why it scores low.

Thats a clean car, not bad but yes add another $1,000 - $2,000 for manual.

OP, The car looks stock to, so maybe mid $13's but I don't see a dealer moving that much on it.

 

Not sure where in NE the OP is but here is one in central MA - 2007 Acura Tl Type-S 4dr Sedan (3.5L V6 5A) In Shrewsbury MA - Choice Auto Center It's auto but has a number of owners................

 

Yup, I got the whole premium thing for both the Type-S and the 6MT (which is what I drive). I just think $15,000 for the car shown here is high, maybe higher than I originally posted, but well high. How about a happy medium of about $13,000?

 

14k seems more appropriate

 

So you think there should be a $4,000 delta between a 2006 6MT and a 2007 Type-S 6MT?

 

for this car i think it can get 14k. i don't know anything about your car so i can't comment on that. i'm only commenting on the car that was shown

 

I picked this car up from a dealer for $10,000 in mid May; it had 114,000 miles on the clock, had just had the Timing Belt/Water Pump service done as well as brakes at all four corners. The car is immaculate and looks and drives like it has maybe 30,000 miles on the clock, if that; the only things I've done to it were to change the MTF with ACDelco Synchromesh Friction Modified, and replace the driver's side external mirror with a new glass as the old one was oxidizing.

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nice pick up! i think you actually got a good deal on it for that price and the condition it's in

but yes i do think there is a price difference between 06 MT and 07/08 type s 6mt, at least a few thousand. for me personally, i wouldn't even look at a non type s car but that's just me. plus the 30k in mileage difference is a HUGE factor in that comparison, i would pay more to get that low of mileage (85k mileage).

nothing taken away from your car purchase horseshoez, but overall i still think the car OP is looking at is worth 14k. i know a few people in the TL community that paid exactly that (14k - 14.5k) for a type s 6mt within the past year with similar mileage. people love the type s 6mt...as do i, which is why i've had one for 9 years!

 

Does the 2007 Type-S 6MT have the same tranny as the 2006 Base 6MT?

I know that the 2007 5AT has the tranny from the RL, which is (supposedly) more reliable that the one used in the 2006 5AT. Not sure, though, if the the 6MT changed from 2006 to 2007.

Of course, then there's the larger 3.5L engine in the 2007 TL-S (taken from the RL) vs. the 2006's 3.2L....

Also wondering if changes to the suspension and brakes were made between 2006 and 2007?

In sum, such mechanical changes COULD be worth $4k more, but that's a pretty subjective call with a 10-11 year old used car.

I paid $10k for my 2007 Base 5AT w/60k miles on the ODO a few months ago.

I've thought about trying to get into a 2007 or 2008 TL-S 5AT, which are running around $13k for examples with 90k miles in my area.

But then I've realized that I'm actually fine with my 2007 Base TL and don't think the extra power (and perhaps other stuff) would be worth an extra $3-$4k. But that's just me.

 

• As I understand it, the Type-S 6MT had the same transmission as the 2004-2006 6MT cars except it had a different bellhousing mount at the engine/transmission interface.
• True, the Type-S has the bigger engine, but it also has, IMHO, gaudier looks; speaking strictly for myself, I prefer the understated look of the non-Type-S cars.
• It is my understanding the brakes and suspension on the Type-S cars are identical to the 2004-2006 6MT models.

 

Thanks!

I agree there should be a delta of a couple thousand between otherwise identical 2006 and 2007/2008 Type-S models, even if I personally wouldn't pay it as I don't like the look of the Type-S as much (remember, I'm old). As for the 30,000 mile difference, not all miles are created equal; I saw dozens (literally) of 2004-2006 TLs with 80,000 or fewer miles which were in much more unfortunate condition than the one I ultimately bought with 114,000 on the clock. While I was also looking for lower mileage, after seeing this car, I really didn't care.

Yup, folks love their 6MT models, I do as well; I never would have even considered a TL were it not for the 6MT. Regarding the price, I guess that's what this forum is for, and exchange of ideas; I think anything over $13,000 is too much for the car we're discussing, others might well think $16,000+ would be a fair price.

 

OK, so bigger engine making about 30 more bhp (256 bhp vs. 286 bhp), that's definitely worth some coin. Also, as noted by sockr1, 30k extra miles on the ODO is worth a lot, too.

A lot of folks (like sockr1, among many others) do really love the looks of the Type-S. Personally, I'm with you and like the more understated, quasi-"sleeper" looks of the Base TL's.

But I can understand why others might be willing to pay a pretty hefty $3-$4k premium for the Type-S due to its extra power and stylistic cache. Recently I saw a 2008 TL-S 6MT with 50k miles on the ODO listed for $19k, which seems waaaaay overpriced to me.

This local example seems reasonably priced at $13.5k and has similar mileage to your recently purchased 2006 6MT:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/ctd/6142663252.html

 

yup, agreed, this is all opinion and there's variance in what people would be ok with paying, which is nice about this forum (lots of opinions). all that matters is we each enjoy our car and hopefully OP can join the TL community soon!

 

Enjoyed this convo very much and learned some new things, too. Thanks, guys!

 

Sure the OP has already searched on Cars.com, but if not, this is for reference:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=22237&mkId=20001&mlgId=28859&page=1&perPage= 50&rd=99999&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&sf1Dir=ASC& sf1Nm=price&stkTypId=28881&trId=25719&trId=42363&t ransTypeId=28112&yrId=20145&yrId=20200&zc=22152


If you can get the example you've shown above down to $13.5-$14k, I think you'd have done well. Good luck and let us know how things go!

 

OP make sure you watch out for EMG auto sale, some "used" car dealer in NJ is shaddy as hell, trick you to sign the paper ASAP. I remember when I was looking to buy a TL-S one of the dealer in NJ ask me to sign the paper along with making a copy of my DL, I was like hold on here I am not even asking them for a test drive yet. The initial vehicle I was looking to purchase has a price tag of $25k and the car is no where to be seen once I got to the lot. Sale man excuse was "its in the the shop since the AT mess up" WTF? I told the salesman that I am looking to buy $25k car and not $2500 car. Sure it looks great in picture but when you get there and see the car in person you might be in shock.





Shoez Type S moving pretty quick in sale even for a AT. I was once frustrated because everywhere I call the answer was "sorry there is already a deposit on it". Type S suspension actually more stiff than 04-06 MT TL and they only get beaten by Aspec. When I first shopping for a TL my requirement for most salesman was "don't call me if its not a Type S".