does anyone think a TL with cai, p2r spacer, and exhaust beat a new mustang with 300HP? or a stock TL beat a old mustang with 260 HP? also off note a lil bit people say that a TL m/t of course could beat a S2000 from a rolling start with just a CAI, is this true? im sure with all the bolt ons it would beat one easily.. im just curious, thanks

 

gtfo

 

Are you kidding me? I smoked a McLaren F1 GT tonight in a bone-stock 5AT, running 87 octane, AC blasting, windows down, going uphill, with 4 passengers, towing a boat with the doughnut tire on. In the snow. TL's RULE!!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go back to dreaming.

 

Mustang: forget about it. Only way you're going to take one is if the driver has down syndrome.

S2000: Same scenario applies. With a good driver, they're like 14.0 sec cars. CAI, Spacer, and exhaust isn't going to pull on an S2000 lol.

 

Maybe the mods will spare the OP and lock this thread!

 

I beat the latest gen mustang with my modded 03'.... of course i really wasn't supposed to. Either he sucked at driving or someone secretly put a SC on my car! I'm gonna go with the first one

 

300hp Stang RWD vs a heavier 286hp TL-S FWD... in a straight line, stang will pull thru easily, on an auto-cross track? ha...never. American muscle is only good to go straight, and thus unbeatable in this field.

I can safely assume none of you ever owned a Stang? that shit fishtails beyound belief. You are making a turn into one lane, your tail wants to go in the next lane

You guys are comparing hp:weight, but what you should be comparing is whp and weight distribution.

 

The new mustang is a little out of reach for your TL. Definantly try your luck though against the 99-04 GT. They run 14.2@98-99MPH stock in 5spd form. You will dust the auto version of that GT they only run high 14's. So if your TL is a 6MT with your mods then you should be running high 13's - low 14's. A S2000 is a drivers race with you.

 

S'cuse the ignorance, but what are we referring to with these numbers? It obviously is not 0 to 60mph?

 

^ those QT (quarter miles)

And those numbers are actually pretty low for a base.. high 13's? cool.

 

apsec06 do you have 5AT or 6MT?

 

keep in mind not a lot of of n/a TL's has ran high 13's...

 

My best friend has a '07 GT, I ride in it all of the time. I don't think there is any way that the TL will beat it unless it has every mod available. Now a V6 is a different story.

 

i have a 06 TL spec, they say a stock TL 6 m/t runs about a 14.4 the a spec will run 14.2. but i have seen on slips that other people have said have run a 13.7 to a 13.9 with a CAI only. im thinking sheesh either these people are lying about their mods, or they can really drive the piss out of the TL. i was hoping with CAI, p2r spacer, j pipe i could achieve around a 13.6 or 13.5 i think this is probably totally unreal , but hey i can try i raced a 99 or 01 mustang fromabout a 20dig and just straight up left him. those cars are turds to begin with IMO

 

That's a common misconception. American performance cars handle just as well as foreign cars. I've driven both and foreign cars typically "feel" tighter and lighter but take them to the auto-x and it's an eye opener. I guess I shouldn't mention the time a lowered Civic tried to keep up with me around a long on ramp in the GN of all cars. He ended up spinning out into the weeds.

 

^ I know exactly what you are saying, but I never felt confident in a stang...

84 Buick GN
4.2L 602hp 620lbs Stock bottom end, heads, intake, throttlebody, headers, and a big hairdryer. "Just a V6" <--- that's just beautiful!

 

To be honest, any form of comparing HP from one car to the next is a meaningless indicator of actual performance. If any of you are computer geeks you'll understand that this is like saying my 3Ghz PC is faster than your 2.6Ghz PC. There are too many other factors that play a role in the final performance. Way too many for me to take the time to explain, but that's the way it really is, so don't go betting on the guy with 20 or even 40 more HP . . . you won't win everytime.

Then there are other key factors that come in to play, such as engine, wheel, tire mods etc. or driver skill to name a few . . . heck if HP is such a key factor, how does a TLS with 192 WHP run 14.6 in the 1/4? Unless it's the CT Icebox & RamAir that's doing it?

Anyway, most cars will not reproduce the times stated in car mags/rags . . . and a lot are over stated . . .

Ruf

02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH
(**pre headers, CAT, IMMs & BBTBs)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF -
P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
(used Ziex 512s track only)
CT Icebox, RamAir, Sways & Springs
2nd gen Innovative Motor Mounts
BBTBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
XS Headers - Ceramic Coated & Random-Tech CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil

 

^^^ Agree with you 100% (see my other thread)

And dude, my 286sx 12Mhz is way faster than the 3Ghz PC

PS I'm still running old ass P4 w/HT 2GB RDRAM, 512MB ATI, and so far so good

 

totally agree with you RUF. Mustang will win in a straight though...doesn't mean it's a better car.

 

Stangs aren't a very good example in stock form lol. I remember learning what snap oversteer was in a stock 5.0L. In fact their limit is so low (base GT, not Cobras and such) they're incredibly fun to slide because they're nearly impossible to spin out. I was thinking more like Corvettes and such.

Yeah, the GN is my ticking time bomb. Everytime I open the throttle up I'm waiting for the stock bottom end to exit under the car.

 

Very true. This is why I'm a big fan of the track vs dyno and mag racing.

 

I ran with a 05+ Mustang GT the other day from 65 on, and we were neck in neck. Not sure about from a dead stop, but I've recently race a pre 05 GT from a light twice. The first run I forgot to turn off my VSA and got half a car, but different on the second run after turning it off. I jumped a head in first and ended up 4 1/2 (maybe less) lengths in third gear. I think it helped when my tires got warmed up. Check my signs for mods.

 

Driver skill being equal, I think you'll need a set of drag radials to have even a prayer from a dig against an '05+. HP to weight ratio on a bolted 6MT is pretty even with the '05+, but that 320 ft lbs on the Stang is pretty stout.

I wanna try one from a 45-50 mph kick. That's the second gear sweet spot on a 6MT. I think I'd still get creeped on, but not by a whole lot.

 

You would have a better chance than I would, because I don't have an aftermarket cat-back.

 

lol..that is hilarious....

 

Yeah, but you have Pro Cats. I bet our numbers are comparable. Have you ever dynoed?

 

Yeah, my last dyno I did was before the test and j-pipe on a dynojet at 248.21hp/225.15tq. I will do another run when the temp goes back down around the same time of my last dyno.

 

i think our TL's have a chance against a V6 Mustang?

 

Around here usually V6 versions of muscle cars are just regular folks trying to go to work and stuff...but the other night I ran into a guy on the freeway. Saw him merging into the freeway real fast so I thought it was a GT......he passed me and wanted to race...I was preparing to see how badly i'd get demolished...but then I saw the single exhaust as we took off and I shut down about 4-5 cars ahead of him. Pretty dissapointed.

Watch out for the new V6 camaro that's coming out though....that thing's got 300hp..trash talking on V6 Muscle cars will soon be over lol!

 

lmaoooo nice kill. but yah i saw the camaros.

the american muscle is making our imports look bad. how can they be so much faster and half the price.

 

I like all the new V8 models. Very fun.

 

Power and overall build quality aren't necessarily directly proportional.

 

Yeh but 15 years later you rarely see an Acura/Honda broke down on the side of the highway compare to Mustang and other domestic.

 

Nice. I bet you'll easily pull mid 250's with the new setup. The 260 barrier will be easily broken with a cat back. Now just imagine if Hondata would offer a re-flash!

 

Not exactly true. I have a friend with a 98 that's past 150K miles now, hasn't had an oil change in over 80K, just a 4 quart topoff when it starts running hot and getting slow, original front brakes, clutch replaced at 120K when he misshifted into first from 80mph, and that's it. I don't recommend abusing any car this way but it goes to show it's a great car. There's something to be said for a 4.6L v8 only making 280-ish hp. It's not exactly stressing anything out. It would be like the TL making 170hp.

 

If I can make another 10 hp's, I will be content performance wise! I'm not going to hold my breathe on the reflash.

 

260 ish is pretty good; that's roughly what the IS350 and newer G35's dyno.

 

yah i guess that acura is more reliable than ford. definitely.

 

You might be able to kill one of those god awful LX models Ford was putting out in the '80s (assuming you can find one still running). Didn't those things come stock with malnourished hamsters under their hoods. I love my TL too, but come on.

 

The '87 up 5.0L 5 MT LX's (especially the lighter notchbacks) were capable of running 13's with less than $1,000 in mods! 13's were VERY fast in the 80's.