Donte99TL

Yea, I think the TL Type S is going to catch a lot people by surprise. It's going to be one ass kicking car.

I love it when car manufactures get in these battles between each other. Because we the consumer are always the winner. We get great cars out of it.

Godwinrb

Let me state the obvious here just in case nobody else has. I own a 05 tl rated at 270 horses, yes I said it, 270. How convenient of Acura to come up with a new way of rating horsepower? What makes Acura special over the entire automotive industry? We all know Acura has been having a tough time with a V-8, not to mention a engine rated over 300 horses. All I see is a Type S with 16 more horses than what I or anyone else has, but I'll admit it's definetly sportier. I beleive this is just a marketing ploy to make it seem like people are getting a bargin with the Type S. No one would spend $7000 more for the same car that only gets 16 more horses, that's why Acura calls themselves recomputing the horsepower for the TL. I love my Tl, but it's time for Acura to really match the industry and get a powerful V-8, not rework horsepower ratings and stretch the limits of there V-6. One more thing, is it really good horse power if you don't hit it's peek until you are really reving the (over 5000 rpms) engine?

typeR

20 posts and it shows...the rating changes had nothing to do with acura and how they rated them it was SAE that was enforcing how they were to be rated and fact is you dont have a 270 hp TL and the new type S even if it were only 16 more HP is still 25 more torque which is the real key and even more likely this new car is slightly underated to keep it from stepping on the toes of the RL...the new TL type S would walk you like youre going backwards end of story

winstrolvtec

The new SAE rating really doesnt make sense. The TL still puts down the same dyno #'s, and is either very effective at minimizing drivetrain loss or is just plain underrated. Look at the c6 corvette , gained 4 hp from the SAE net revision instead of a loss, you look at its dyno #'s (340's) and its an average 15% loss (manual), but its hp measure is correct. Now the current TL, usually puts down 225-230 (manual), 15% on 270 hp. By new comparison(258) it would be only 10% or 11% loss, but 270 was overrated according to SAE. I might be talking crazy now but they might as well measure whp as well. I know the #'s would vary much, but how consistent is the 258 in the first place?

groman

well if u think about it there is a big huge posibility that acura underrated 07 tls b/c they did not want to step on rl thats not doin so great anyway

whatjones911

Yea i agree. I think the Type S engine produces that same amount of power as the RL which is 290 hp. But on paper they put 286hp so that it won't step on the RL like you said

winstrolvtec

The TL is still "originally" 270, and the 3.5 was 300, so no matter how you look at it its 30hp by Acura and 28hp revised.

Acuraboy7

Well don't forget about the days when the RL had 225HP and the TL also had 225 and 260

Godwinrb

All I know is my sticker on the window when I purchased it said 270. Whatever the case maybe, 258, 270, 286, 290, 300, you're still talking about a car that only produces less than 300 horses and is nearly $40k. Compare that to other cars in that price range, or even compare that to other cars with a sportier version like a 3 series versus the M3? All I'm saying is that it's time for Honda/Acura to break past the same horsepower rated engine. Nissan is doing it! Now that should be the end of the story !

typeR

well my car that was producing just over 300 probablly 325...was beating cars like GTOs vettes and other heavyduty V8 muscle cars...this TL with just a couple minor bolt ons is gonna be a good performer

FiveLiterCheater

maybe on the straights, but its not touching the M3 or the new G35 coupe (and others) on a mountain road. The Type-S would be perfect if it had SH-AWD, but it doesnt, and thats where its gonna fall behind.

Acuraboy7

HP is some of it but, just because one car has more HP then another doesn't mean its faster or will have higher end power. I've blown away alot of cars with more HP then mine. i'm sure you have too, it has to do with the design of the egn, weight, size ect....some of thoses cars need that much HP cuz they are so Heavy. Acura builds great EGN's. take example an early 90's Benz S-class, they made a 3.2V6 the base egn on that car and look at all that car weight it had to pull with about 184HP. Back then that car was way over 40K with that EGN. but even with the size and weight ,it had alot of power.Now look at the Nissan Maxima 265HP but still only hits 0 to 60 in 7sec with a 3.5L V6, the TL can do it with 258 in 6.3sec with a 3.2L V6, 2 cars about the same size and weight but the one with lower liter and HP numbers still comes out ahead. Car Companys use HP as a selling point, sure the avg Joe will probably think "well I'd rather have that car cuz it has more horse power then that one does, so its probably going to be the fastest" wrong! another example, would be that the Lexus GS300 just went from that, to being the GS350, being that the 3.0V6 couldn't compete with the 3.5 in the RL and the 3.5 in the M35. Now its quicker then both and also has less HP then the M35. The 3.5 in the IS and GS are not the same 3.5 they use in the rest of the Toyota/Lexus line up, again another example of car size and EGN design being used.

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

Yeah but the G is butt ugly IMHO and the interior is way better than the cheap plastic look of the G.

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

I agree. Looking at the sales numbers YTD for 06' Acura has almost sold double the amount of TL's vs G35. BMW 3 series continues to lead the market in sales. Lexus is dead last.

Acuraboy7

Thats because as fun as the Lexus's are they are over priced. but they just as fun as acura to me.

royco

I agree, got the 6MT just in time. The Type S just doesn't inspire for the additional cost.

WHITE3.2TL-S

I drove a white 2007 tl-s today becasue i saw one on the way to work...the car is perfect for under 40 k loaded no manual for me...the interior is eye catching, so comfortable..i went to Open Road Acura in Wayne on 23..i just may have to sell me chrysler 300..does anyone know the bolt battern on the 07 TL-S?

bjtexer

the 2007 modle TL... that's what he mean

bjtexer

i agree with you 100000000% not even employee discount ..........

neuronbob

I'm pretty sure it's the same as the 04-06.....5 X 114.3.

AnothaTL

Drove the new type-s. Wow, and another wow! I only got to drive the automatic version but damn it feels quicker than the 04-06 manual version. I can't wait to drive the 6-speed in the type-s