xelvic

Hey Guys,

I have a question about 0-60 times that the magazine testers get. Do they get the car new with only couple of hundred miles on it or do they get a car with a couple thousand miles on it? I wonder this because of break in. My car is noticeably faster with only 2900 miles on it then when it was new. So I know the 0-60 times and 1/4 miles would have to be better now then when it was new. Just a thought.

FugittiveTLS`03

I think they receive them new...that just what i get from reading the articles???

mickey3c

Are you trying to say that the 0-60 in a 6mt of 5.6 seconds is improved after breakin. I doubt it...

fasttl

A 0-60 of around 6sec is all you'll get out of the 6spd without frying the clutch or experiencing the LSD "tango". The TL, as any front driver, is not a dragster. What really makes other people shit their pants is the power the car has on the highway, you're driving at 80mph, drop it to fourth and in seconds your doing 120, most other cars run out of air after 100mph or so, the TL is just breaking stride at that speed. I've seen many jaws drop in disbelief as you pull away at 100mph plus like they were standing still. 0-60 is a stupid measurement any way since most people do not drag race, what people do use day in and day out is that highway passing power to get around that big semi or simply kicking some punk WRX butt. In that the TL excels in a way which few (if any) cars in its price range can match.

xelvic

Well.....yes, do the guys that have the 6mt feel that there cars have got faster after break in? I ask this question about all magazine tests of new cars. Not just the TL. I know for a fact that "my car" does feel faster then the day I drove it off the lot.

I10O0I1

iTrader: (1)

i got the times for you... i just received a motortrend magazine and it happen to have the 0-60 and 1/4 mile time on both auto and manual...

fasttl

Yes the car is faster and the clutch operation is a lot smoother, but again your 0-60 does not get significantly better since the the launch characteristics are identical. If the car were RWD there is no doubt you could lay down times in the low 5'vs with ease! The biggest improvement in 0-60 times is dumping the EL 42's for some seriously sticky rubber and thus reduce wheel spin.

xelvic

Guys, my question is not about the 0-60 time. My question is does the car testers get are cars new or broke in when they do the test. I just would think that they would get better stats on the car after break in. And that could meen all there tests(0-60,1/4 mile, Braking). I just think that any car performs better after it has been broke in. Let me put it to you this way. If the testers get 2 of the exact same cars. And this can be any car. One has 5 miles on it and the other has 5000 on it don't you think the one with 5000 would perform better? Now which one do the testers get?

fasttl

Some times motor trend makes no sense. The RL is a bigger heavier car that can attain a higher slalom speed than the manual TL. And they think its unremarkable?? That is simply a moronic statement. I guess all other 6 cylinder LUX sedans which comprise 90% of the lux market from mercedes BMW and Lexus and even some v8 (lexus) must be quite unramarkable too since they are all slower than the AWD Acura and none corner or handle as well

cliff

it shows that the 5at has better braking than the 6mt, and it beat the 6mt in slalom

fasttl

It depends who does the test. Sometimes they get green cars sometimes they get press peaches. That is why for car to car comparisons if they are not in a multi car comparo I always deffer to Consumer reports, they have standardized testing conditions. They go to a dealer, buy a car just as you would and drive it for thousand of miles. There is no torque braking clutch burning or other goodies, they simply mash the pedal and see how fast it goes, in manuals they rev till redline period. That offers you a repeatable side to side comparison between cars.

Back to your question, although I have no timing slips, yes the car is faster and stronger but as stated before IN 0-60 you'll get the same times, in 40-80 or any other interval it is definitely faster (not by much).

avs007

Yeah, the magazines get new cars. For the case of new models, they usually get pre-production samples. Usually if you read the articles closely, they'll say something to that effect. Such as, this or that is hopefully improved when car goes into production, or something like that. They usually do this, because if they get the car at the same time as everyone else, and have a couple thousand miles on it, it is basically old news. People want to read about stuff that is about to come out, not stuff that is already out, etc. (Especially taking into consideration the time it takes to actually get from the author's pen, to the publishing house, to the store, into your house.

FWIW, if you read the longterm updates, if they do a longterm test, they usually also talk about cars being faster after it has about 20,000 miles on it or so. But even then, it's usually only a tenth of a second or something like that, so it's prob just from varying track conditions.

dinot

I10O0I1,
Remember that these tests (manual vs auto) were done at different times of the year. The same car tested in cold weather will yield better 0-60 times.


Dino

jmn4667

Those TL 0-60 times look about right to me. However, that braking data can't be right. I have driven both versions (6MT and 5AT) and the 6MT stops waaaaaay quicker!

fasttl

I agree but I think the MT brakes need a little warm up for best effectiveness. As previously stated under different conditions you'll get different results.

Twenties

I've seen long-term tests in Road & Track showing 0.3-0.4 seconds faster 0-60 times after a car is 1 year old.

PPLAPW

In car and Driver magazine they state that the Aspec TL, has 5.6 for the 0 to 60 time...

chusteveb

Wow, that's wierd about the 5at braking 13ft faster than the 6mt with the Brembos. That's almost a TL (1 car) length difference from only 60MPH. I would expect the Brembos to at least match the performance of "stock" (non-Brembo) brakes if not beat it. This was a selling point from my salesman, was I miss- lead? Do we have any other sources that we can refer to and see what it says? 60-0 should be one of the most easiest to test and non driver error related (unlike 0-60, or slalom, etc.). I mean if this is true, I'll trade out my Brembos with someone who has a 5at, then it wouldn't be such a pain in the ass to find wheels and I'll stop better...

I hope we find that the 6MT will at least match if not beat the braking performance of the 5AT.

mickey3c

sometimes these places test one version of the car and then whatever times/distance/etc. gets posted for all. e.g.,edmunds posted about a 6.5 0-60 time for all models. I would believe that was with the 5AT. But then again where they get that time...

professional driver, at a track, etc. what were the conditions ... and on and on...