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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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Just FYI - these batteries are easily drained in the '04 TL. This weekend I was adjusting the tires - weather change and too many corners at 80 I guess - so I was topping all four of them off with my Tire Pump that plugs into the outlet in the car. Had the key to Accessory (one click). I noticed after doing the 4th tire - the pump was sounding slow - I just mumbled to myself that it was junk. I then did 2 of my wife's tires being that the cord could reach (yippee!)

I got through her 2 tires - again pump running much slower.

I go to start my car later - battery DEAD!!!


Flashback to the first night I picked up the car - I was fiddling inside it setting all the seats and stations etc and went to start it later --- same thing - DEAD battery.

These batteries (well at least mine) does not like to run without the engine on for very long. The car had sat for most of the week in the garage.

Be careful. Just FYI
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Have it replaced under warranty.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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This past weekend, I left my dome lights on accidentily for over 7 hours. (It would be nice if they went out automatically after a few minutes). Anyway, my car started right up. And then the next day I spent 4 hours detailing the car with the stereo playing. Again no problem.

My guess is you got a bum battery. Swap it out.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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Get the battery swapped. I left my car in the garage for 1-2 weeks once and it started up with no problems.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dvus555
This past weekend, I left my dome lights on accidentily for over 7 hours. (It would be nice if they went out automatically after a few minutes). Anyway, my car started right up. And then the next day I spent 4 hours detailing the car with the stereo playing. Again no problem.

My guess is you got a bum battery. Swap it out.
I did the similar things frequently (a few hours only). Using the headlight or other electronic equipments inside the car without running the engine seems fine to my car, too. TBone, your dealer should be able to handle this. Good Luck.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Have the alternator checked also...
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TBone2004
Just FYI - these batteries are easily drained in the '04 TL. This weekend I was adjusting the tires - weather change and too many corners at 80 I guess - so I was topping all four of them off with my Tire Pump that plugs into the outlet in the car. Had the key to Accessory (one click). I noticed after doing the 4th tire - the pump was sounding slow - I just mumbled to myself that it was junk. I then did 2 of my wife's tires being that the cord could reach (yippee!)

I got through her 2 tires - again pump running much slower.

I go to start my car later - battery DEAD!!!


Flashback to the first night I picked up the car - I was fiddling inside it setting all the seats and stations etc and went to start it later --- same thing - DEAD battery.

These batteries (well at least mine) does not like to run without the engine on for very long. The car had sat for most of the week in the garage.

Be careful. Just FYI
Most owners manuals of air pumps tell you to start the car before using the pump for this very reason, they draw a lot of currrent and can kill the battery.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by need4spd
Most owners manuals of air pumps tell you to start the car before using the pump for this very reason, they draw a lot of currrent and can kill the battery.

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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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This post should be called "lame use of battery". First, the battery has plenty of capacity, but improper use will drain it. 2nd, who said it was ever killed? A simple slow charge at about 2 amps would have brough it back to life, assuming none of the cells was damaged.

Remember that these cars have all sorts of "stay alive" gee-gaws to satisfy the gadget crazed among us. If I let it sit more than a week, I put my battery Tender on it (the S2000 stays at full charge all the time when using it). Batteries will last much longer if kept fully charged, avoiding the debiltating effects of discharge/charge cycles.
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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You can find many threads with bad dead battery under my name(A-TLvic882), one of many
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104683

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 06:59 AM
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Blow Hole or is it Blow Smoke?

Hey Blow Hole (or as I say - Obnoxious One) I have done this same thing with every single car I have ever owned prior to this one - including my '02 TL. Never had any problems. SO before you start blowing more smoke up our asses and going on about your S2000 blah blah blah. Improper use? Pa-Leez. Did not literally mean it was killed - only a fool would think that. Would the car start - no, a simple jump resolved that - or is that improper use of jumper cables? Get off your high horse for once.




Originally Posted by Road Rage
This post should be called "lame use of battery". First, the battery has plenty of capacity, but improper use will drain it. 2nd, who said it was ever killed? A simple slow charge at about 2 amps would have brough it back to life, assuming none of the cells was damaged.

Remember that these cars have all sorts of "stay alive" gee-gaws to satisfy the gadget crazed among us. If I let it sit more than a week, I put my battery Tender on it (the S2000 stays at full charge all the time when using it). Batteries will last much longer if kept fully charged, avoiding the debiltating effects of discharge/charge cycles.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TBone2004
Hey Blow Hole (or as I say - Obnoxious One) I have done this same thing with every single car I have ever owned prior to this one - including my '02 TL. Never had any problems. SO before you start blowing more smoke up our asses and going on about your S2000 blah blah blah. Improper use? Pa-Leez. Did not literally mean it was killed - only a fool would think that. Would the car start - no, a simple jump resolved that - or is that improper use of jumper cables? Get off your high horse for once.
The ire of NJ has been awoken!!



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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 07:28 AM
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LOL - I better go grab a cup of coffee - ha,ha

Thanks for the laugh Dvus555



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The ire of NJ has been awoken!!



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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 09:16 AM
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Relax.

Have the battery replaced, what's the big deal?
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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As mentioned already...just go to the dealer and have it replaced. No biggie.
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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 09:47 AM
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No big deal here man. A battery is about the simplest thing to replace on a car.

The big deal here was someone making a false staement that you cannot use certain items in the cig. lighter outlet - for fear of draining the battery. My point was this is not true as I have done it all my life and this was my first time I experienced it draining so easily and the second time that this battery drained very quickly since owning it. Was throwing out an FYI to others if they ever need to rely on there battery if stuck on side of road to not plan on using the outlet for too long. Sounds like it is just mine.

So, you relax.

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Relax.

Have the battery replaced, what's the big deal?
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TBone2004
Hey Blow Hole (or as I say - Obnoxious One) I have done this same thing with every single car I have ever owned prior to this one - including my '02 TL. Never had any problems. SO before you start blowing more smoke up our asses and going on about your S2000 blah blah blah. Improper use? Pa-Leez. Did not literally mean it was killed - only a fool would think that. Would the car start - no, a simple jump resolved that - or is that improper use of jumper cables? Get off your high horse for once.
You were the one that said the batt is easily discharged - words mean things - grow up. What you have done all your life is irrelevant - the fact is that as I described, the ongoing stay alive draw in modern cars is quite high, and a marginal battery can be depleted by using a high current draw. This is easily verified by doing what I did - measuring the ambient current draw with an ammeter - you have an ammeter, right? Or is that only useful to those of us with high horses? A high horse is useful when someone is ranting like a 12-year old.

P.S. The S2000 is 4x the car the TL is; even the battery is high-end - the TL is a decent sedan for pulling my butt around, for which you seem to have an inrodinate amount of interest in for that matter.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 05:48 PM
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You were the one that said the batt is easily discharged - words mean things - grow up. What you have done all your life is irrelevant - the fact is that as I described, the ongoing stay alive draw in modern cars is quite high, and a marginal battery can be depleted by using a high current draw. This is easily verified by doing what I did - measuring the ambient current draw with an ammeter - you have an ammeter, right? Or is that only useful to those of us with high horses? A high horse is useful when someone is ranting like a 12-year old.

P.S. The S2000 is 4x the car the TL is; even the battery is high-end - the TL is a decent sedan for pulling my butt around, for which you seem to have an inrodinate amount of interest in for that matter.
I wish I had a S2000 to pull my butt around in.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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My car had a dead battery as well with ZERO lights, Air Compressors, or Radios left on. I will admit I was more than a bit upset that with 3000 miles on the car (and having it sit for no more than 12 hours) that the battery was dead. While I was thankful that it occurred in my garage, it still occurred.

I had it replaced by the dealer, and was told it had a bad cell (before anyone asks I marked the old battery, and they definitely replaced it).

In searching the forums the 'battery' topic has been brought up before so I am not alone in my experience.

OEM battery quality control =
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nodoze2004
My car had a dead battery as well with ZERO lights, Air Compressors, or Radios left on. I will admit I was more than a bit upset that with 3000 miles on the car (and having it sit for no more than 12 hours) that the battery was dead. While I was thankful that it occurred in my garage, it still occurred.

I had it replaced by the dealer, and was told it had a bad cell (before anyone asks I marked the old battery, and they definitely replaced it).

In searching the forums the 'battery' topic has been brought up before so I am not alone in my experience.

OEM battery quality control =
We did have dozens of ppl already getting the new batteries from dealers due to the failure of cells or other unknown reasons. Most of them seem pretty satisfied with their new batteries so far... Only 1 or 2 guys, as I remembered, had to visit dealers again.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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I too had a dead battery for unknown reasons and had it replaced at the dealer witha fresh ACURA battery that has no " eye" on it like the original did. I am positive i am one of those people that had a bad one from a bad batch at the plant like many other people on here. Unfortunately, it happenned to me while I was out with the car and resulted in me being stuck for 2 hours while begging passers by to jump me to get home. Yeah I was pissed because it was freezing cold out and raining that night. I think Acura has some explaining and apologizing to do with the crap batteries they put in our 35k car. For the love of G-D, wake up acura and smell the coffee.
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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No "eye"... Umm, I should check others... Interesting...


Thanks...
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rets
No "eye"... Umm, I should check others... Interesting...


Thanks...
Yes, there was no " eye" on the battery that lights up green like the original one had to check the charge status. The new one does say 100 Month and " acura" on it which is good
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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Hey Blow Hole (or as I say - Obnoxious One) I have done this same thing with every single car I have ever owned prior to this one .......
What's the make/model # of the compressor you used. I'd be interested in downloading the owner's manual and see what it says about operating it from the cig lighter.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 02:18 AM
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Yes, there was no " eye" on the 2 new batterys.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 06:43 AM
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Ranting like a 12 year old? You are a very sensitive person it would seem and unusually protective over a battery in a car you imply to be beneath you. Fact is there Jerky, sounds like from others on this thread - they have had some problems with their batteries too - so what is your problem admitting it could be a lame battery? You work for Acura? Big friggin baby - maybe you don't know everything...hmmm..imagine that. Think outside the box and away from your ammeter and use some common sense. ...Let's see maybe the memory problem I had with the driver seat was really caused by improper use and I held the button down for too long and the voltage going to the circuit was too much as indicated by my ammeter (which I do own - but being a 12 year old I just refer to it as a volt meter) and that was the problem, not a defective part.....hmmm..yeah that must have been it.
Could it be your opinion is not always right? - especially in this case with MY battery.
So my apologies for making a blanket statement to all saying batteries in these cars were lame. I should have said the battery in MY car is lame since I can run the same tool in my '02 with no prob. but drains my battery in my '04.

Giddy-up!

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You were the one that said the batt is easily discharged - words mean things - grow up. What you have done all your life is irrelevant - the fact is that as I described, the ongoing stay alive draw in modern cars is quite high, and a marginal battery can be depleted by using a high current draw. This is easily verified by doing what I did - measuring the ambient current draw with an ammeter - you have an ammeter, right? Or is that only useful to those of us with high horses? A high horse is useful when someone is ranting like a 12-year old.

P.S. The S2000 is 4x the car the TL is; even the battery is high-end - the TL is a decent sedan for pulling my butt around, for which you seem to have an inrodinate amount of interest in for that matter.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 07:07 AM
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I am assuming there must be more than one car called the S2000 cause if you mean the Honda S2000 I don't see the 4x factor.

S2000
• 240-hp, 2.2-liter, 16-Valve, DOHC, VTEC® Engine
• Independent In-Wheel Double-Wishbone Suspension
• Power-Assisted 4-Wheel Disc Brakes
• Front & Rear Stabilizer Bars
• 6-Speed Manual Transmission with Torque-Sensing, Limited-Slip Differential
• Dual Front Airbags
• Integrated Roll Bars
• Air Conditioning with an Air-Filtration System
• AM/FM/XM®-Ready/CD Audio System with 4 Speakers
• Electrically Powered Soft Top with Glass Rear Window and Defroster

However, I am happy for you that you feel so strongly about your S2000.
...but 4x? Dream on.

Originally Posted by Road Rage

P.S. The S2000 is 4x the car the TL is; even the battery is high-end - the TL is a decent sedan for pulling my butt around, for which you seem to have an inrodinate amount of interest in for that matter.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 07:09 AM
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good question - I have no idea. I will pull the manual when I get home and check it out.



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What's the make/model # of the compressor you used. I'd be interested in downloading the owner's manual and see what it says about operating it from the cig lighter.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 07:41 AM
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How many amps can you run out of the lighter?

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What's the make/model # of the compressor you used. I'd be interested in downloading the owner's manual and see what it says about operating it from the cig lighter.
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 09:42 AM
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I had a "hard start" about two weeks ago during a cold snap. The car had sat unstarted for a few days in the garage. Got in it to go to work and had the key in the on position for a number of seconds before it kicked in. Took it into the dealer, they checked it out, said the battery and alternator were fine. They also said Acura was aware of a problem with a computer/software module that is supposed to go to sleep but sometimes(?) doesn't. And over a period of time it can draw down the battery. They are apparently revising the software to fix this, but there was no info on when/where/how I'd find out when it was available. The "intermediate term" solution is to try to start the car each day. FWIW ...
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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Hmmm sounds like early symptoms of what I saw. I had 2 of those hard starts that you mentioned and then POOF the battery was dead. The new one seems fine. I will have to check for the 'eye' on the replacement.
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