imax

How come the Honda Accord Coupe can have a key with built-in functions so you don't need a key fob while our Acuras "still" use a crappy key fob?

My last two Acuras have had Acura's piece of cr*p beige key fob that looks like sh*t after a six months.

Maybe Acura IS NOT Honda's "premium" car division.

rets

I guess this key won't be able to transmit the profile info... dunno which honda "key" would work with memory seat setting...

Bluenote

I think you're reading into things a little too much here. There could be many reasons as to why Acura still uses a seperate remote. It doesn't suprise me, given the fact that the '96 Civic and Accord had an AM/FM/CD radio standard while the '96 Integra was only available with an AM/FM/CASS.

It seems to me that Honda makes changes to their line before the Acura lines. Maybe they think the Acura owners are more conservative? I dunno.

It looks like someone has their thinking cap on!

Novice

Before I bought my 2004 TL, I had a 2003 Accord EX with the above key. I was wondering about the same thing for a while. I am sure they will use a smart key system by 2006-2007.

Bareback

Somehow, this fob-less option doesn't sit right with me... Maybe I am just being anal, but the potential in hitting the panic button seems higher. Yes the idea that it's been offered to an Accord vs the TL is a bit strange, however, could have something to do with the number of Accords being sold vs the TL?

EmuMessenger

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With that said, BMW, for one, can transmit stored info from an all in one solution.

Nodoze2004

I don't care if they are selling Accords 12 to 1 over the TL, if Acura is the premium brand they should offer all of the standard Honda features and THEN some! Honda should debut features in the Acura line, and THEN roll them into the Honda line.

I bet if you look, Nissan, and Toyota do not offer features that are not available on Lexus and Infiniti models.

rets

Honda needs to work something out... what they have done with all their keys sucks...

Novice

I like the RL one!

Xpditor

Indeed. I don't really care what reasons they have, the big key and fob are bulky to carry around.

They also rub against each other which mars the fob after a short time.

This and the lack of RDS are the biggest omissions I can think of on the TL.

JSK22

going back to the keys for our TLs, i'm assuming all our fobs should be transmitting in terms of our profile is whether it is fob 1 or fob 2, all the profile settings should be stored in a system in the car. does this really justify not having a key like the accords?

Xpditor

BrandNewTL

Good point. Its probably just Honda's model refresh cycle. TL will go that way soon, probably when they refresh the vehicle again. The current TL FOB is far from best in class. Painting is a really bad idea for wear and scratch resistance. FOB is too big. Unlock key is too small. Key integrated design is the way to go - that technology has been around for over 10 years.

I don't see any "switchblade" designs in this post. This is pretty common in Europe; provides an integrated solution and allows the key blade to fold up into the transmitter body.

producrdel

Sure would be nice to get all functions on the key, I'll be waiting.

rets

Who has photos of switchblade keys? Please post... MB and BMW? or any other brand's keys'? Thanks.




This is Infiniti's keyless from its FX series and M series.






2005 Mini






Dunno which brand is it? VW or Audi!?

Acuraluvr

iTrader: (2)

well, getting back on task...., i kinda lik our tl's better; the ring it comes in is pretty cool and the kay is alot lighter; it dosnt look very bulky.... srry!

6mtV6

That is also the keyless for the G35 sedan. It only comes with the 5at G35 sedan as an option.

Bitium

You are right they will used the smart key for all acuras. I tought that was going to be introduced on the TL in 05. I'm pretty sure the 06 will have it.

EmuMessenger

Lexus has been doing the all in one since 1989.

Xpditor

rets:

Here is the Volvo key that I have used on rentals. I really like it.

-XP

Tennisjon2002

Does the accord have the laser sensor thing in the keys? Maybe that has to do with it? i dunno but i don't really mind the TL keys.

6mtV6

The Accord doesn't have the laser sensor thing in the keys. It's just a key with a integrated remote and immobilizer chip. I miss that key. The key was tough. Not one scratch on it.

x420actionx

If the 06' TL comes out with some sort of key with integrated fob, and not the smart key access system, you think we could upgrade our keys to use the new fob-keys? That would be really cool, and I will be willing to shell out some cash for that..

avs007

A part of me would doubt it. I only say that, because of what I tried with my G35. The JDM Nissan Skyline also has an integrated Key. But the dealer said it won't work because my USDM Body Control Module wouldn't be able to learn the new key.

Even if it did work, it would be incredibly expensive. When we tried to see if it would work, they said the cost of this integrated key was $330 each

As for the Accord getting stuff before the TL... That kind of stuff always ticked me off... For example... Like how the 03 Accord had 240hp and Dual Zone climate, but the 03 TL had 225hp and Single Zone climate.

Other companies tend to roll out new stuff in the premium brands first... For example, GM rolled out Northstar V8 in cadillac first. GM rolled out the VVT 3.6 DOHC V6 in the CTS before it let Buick/Pontiac use it. The LS family of V8 engines always went into the Vette first, before others like the Pontiac GTO. Stabillitrak was also a caddilac exclusive for a while, etc.

Honda always seems to debut things in the Honda line, and it trickles to Acura a year or two later.

MR1

Long, long overdue.

Try carrying two sets of keys+fobs like I can't. I push the panic button way to often. I vote for the VW/Audi design which has been available for at least 4 years.

Makes no sense for Honda's to get stuff before Acura period.

Vanwall

I also dislike the current remote for the TL. Not only does it feel wrong in my hand. It looks like hell and I have only had it since August. The remote shows all the scratches from being carried in my pocket with other keys.

The remote I like is the remote on my 99 MB. The remote seemed strange at first but it did not take long to discover it's advantages.

dpilati

Not limited to Acura. Look at BMW. The new 3 series is getting keyless ignition but the 5 series doesn't have it. The 3 series has IPOD control but not the 5 series...

The TL is a great value - they had to cut somethings out.

JetJock

I didn't like when Honda put 240hp in the Accord and the regular '03TL had only 225 and they made you purchase the TypeS to get more power. Acura being their premium line should get the goodies first...SHAME ON HONDA!! Their corporate people are out to lunch.

neuronbob

I vote for the Volvo key. That saves a lot of sharp bulk in your pocket because the key folds in.

Vanwall

I vote for getting an implant (RFID ?) when you buy a car.

Never have to remember the car keys!

Yah - just the ticket.

iNteGraz92

yes they MADE you buy a type-s for more power
you really think honda would give the 04 accord less power than a 4 year old acura? the 03 tl was not a new model, just a facelift. the power problem has been solved already with the 04 TL having 270hp

Eduardo

My girlfriend has a Volvo s40 and I love the 'all in one' design. It is bulky though. The key for my 330i ZHP is a nice compromise. Not too bulky and everything (memory settings) is pretty much integrated into my key.

NFLblitze1

SAME.....HERE....

but those keys are EXTREMELY expensive...we had the MERCEDES SUV...and it had the flip key all in one....and it broke...it cost..a few hundred dollars...they are expensive...

rjairam

Like HandsFreeLink? NavTraffic? Nav systems in general? DVD-Audio? SH-AWD?

I don't think so.

J RIDE 81

I personally like the RL the best.

avs007

Usually things show up in Honda first, then when the Acura lines get redesigned afterwards, they show up with those same things and then some. So to a degree yes.

The 04' TL brought us HandsFreeLink, DVD-Audio, but the 03' Accord brought us the 240hp engine, voice activation, dual zone climate, and the cool dash illumination. The 2G TL brought us Navi,and the current RL brought us the NavTraffic, but technically, the SH system came from the Prelude

The Odysee also got the VCM first, as I expect a refreshed/redesigned MDX to sport this as well.

03CoupeV6

Actually, the last gen-RL brought Navigation. It was an option as far back as 1996 for the RL. And I don't think the Accord brought any Acura owner a 240HP engine. The TL has 270, and the MDX 265.

The Accord gets redesigns one year before the TL, so this is just the way it goes.

avs007

Youdon't have to take things so literally. I meant that the J30 was more advanced in 03, than was the standard J32 of the 03 TL. Someone told me that particular J32 had a 2 stage VTEC, wheras the 03 accord had a 3 stage VTEC, also good for 15 more ponies. Yes, I realize that the J32 was available with 260hp at the time, but I know many TL owners that were irritated that the Accord had more horsepower than the TL-P, (and more advanced VTEC). I know even more TL-P owners that were irritated that the 03 accord had what seemed like a nicer interior as well.

I understand that the Accord get's redesigned a year earlier than the TL, but I still think that is still not right. Granted, honda probably does it this way, because of the high volumes/sales of the Accord, but at the same time I think it would be better for Honda/Acura's image, if they did it the other way around. Maybe my wife and I are just wierd, but when we see Honda dress up the Accord before the TL (even though a nicer TL is on the way later), it only re-inforces the fact that the TL is a dressed up accord. (As a TL owner, we're entitled to our opinion )

With that being said though, we still choose to buy the TL over any Accord

You also mention BMW has features on the 3 but not the 5. BMW though, always redesigns the 7 series first, then the 5, and the 3 last. Acura seems to do it the other way around... RSX --> TSX --> TL --> RL

NFLblitze1

yea...the RL's keys are gorgeous...

Bitium

Honda does get it first, is all relative. Like for example the honda accord in the states, is the honda inspire in japan. The inspire in japan goes along the lines of acura, a higher class dealer. The 99 TL was the inspired, the 04 TL is not. The acura TSX is in fact the actual honda accord in japan and europe. Most new things were implemented on the inspired, until the redisign of the legend(RL) The inspired was the first with VCM and laser cruised control. Since acura decied not to follow the inspired, but somewhat make a unique acura the inspired was use for the accord, that is why the accord got some things before the TL. From now on you should see the best and greatest on either acura RL, TL, or MDX.

BTW the SH-AWD did not come from the prelude. The prelude has a limited front drive version of the original DYC system now implemented on the RL. The system was develop in the early 90's, the limited system introduced on preluded came out in mid 90's. The ATTS (prelude) was the first step of the SH-AWD protoype also known as DYC to be introduced on a production car, but not the completed system develop years before.