nednj36

I think it was the link and the Soprano's reference that made him scram

gurneyeagle

Because someone is too lazy (or stupid) to properly compose a message is a burden to everyone else who tries to read it. Everyone makes typos, but this run-on sentence, misspelled crap is a joke. Save it for your text messages.

03CoupeV6

He wants his points to be taken seriously but he has the reading comprehension and grammar skills of a Pre-K'er. That's the problem. And haven't you learned by now that you are in Acurazine University?!

I am still amused at his logic about trade-in values dictating the superiority of a Honda product over a Toyota product. Who would have thought a $25k Camry would hold its value better than a $35k TL. Am I the only one who sees the problem in that comparison?

This thread has brought out the best as well as the worst Acurazine has to offer.

subinf

I dont have a problem if someone forgets the "i before e except after c, though when an a...blah blah blah" rule, but just god awful spelling is a pain in the ass to read. There have been some pretty bad posts in the past where it was nearly impossible to understand what the hell the person was saying. Its just easier on everyone if a little effort is made.

03CoupeV6

The worst dealership service I've ever received was from an Acura dealer. One of the best service experiences ever was from a Toyota dealer, another great one was from a Honda dealer. We can all share good and bad dealership experiences with ALL makes. If one bad dealership ruined the entire brand, I would have set my TL on fire in disgust after dealing with Nalley Acura.

Thank you for not frequenting Acurazine, it makes life easier on those of us who do. We are all enthusiasts here, and most of us do own Acura vehicles. However, neither our personal ownership nor the resale value of our cars (which isn't that great on my 2G TL, by the way) dictates the world's best automaker. The fact is that you started off this now 5-page thread by bashing Toyota, an automaker that you have pathetically limited knowledge of.

No one here has said that Toyota was more innovative than Honda. I know that this isn't true. No one here has more respect for Honda's products and practices than myself, but that doesn't stand in the way of me having the utmost respect for Toyota - despite what you want to believe, Toyota builds some of the highest quality, most well engineered vehicles on the road today. You can have the pleasure of owning one, or you can deny their brilliance but it is very, very stupid for you to try to make mockery of them.

This isn't about Acura VS Toyota, this is about cars - we're all here because we love cars, right?

Thought so.

Mike_TX

Bwahahaha! is the sound someone makes when they burst into laughter. Sometimes, if they're not careful, milk even spurts out of their nose when this happens.

The airbag system used in the '96 RL was a simple on-off switch, and wasn't exteremely reliable. The "real" smart airbag system was developed by Delphi Automotive Systems and introduced in 2000. Called "PODS" (for Passenger Occupant Detection), it was the first system to use weight to determine not only the presence of a passenger, but also how forcefully to deploy the airbag. Delphi is an American company, BTW, and it didn't debut its system in an Acura.

I can't determine if the first satellite nav system was in the '96 RL, but I suppose that's possible. Since the last of the GPS satellites wasn't launched until 1998, the system wasn't complete in '96 and any car system at that time was pretty primitive.

While DVD audio and Bluetooth may have been rushed into the '04 TL, Acura didn't invent either technology. There's no particular glory in being the first to put something in a car, especially if it's half-baked. And don't tell me Bluetooth isn't STILL half-baked. Nor that DVD-A discs are widely available.

Your first post stated that Acura pioneered the aluminum frame. Now you're modifying that to say the first production car with it. They hardly invented aluminum frames, which have been used in race cars for years. And if aluminum frames were that good an idea, why don't we see more of them? Reason is, they are expensive and difficult to build, and they are more prone to failure than steel frames.

Variable valve timing was not developed by Honda/Acura, but by the Germans. BMW has used it for years. Honda just gave it their own catchy name.

Toyota hasn't become the world's second-largest automaker (GM is still first, but just barely) by sitting on its hands. The list of Toyota patents and innovations fills volumes, and includes a lot of stuff you don't see ... like new composite materials, adhesives, polymers, etc. But it also includes entire new technologies, like the gas-electric hybrid powerplants that lead the industry in efficiency and fuel economy (can you say "Prius"?). They also developed the first modern, practical Atkinson-cycle engine, they were among the first to use turbos in consumer-level production cars, they developed more-efficient fuel injection systems, they produced the first viable fuel-cell powered vehicle, they developed the first "virtual human" for crash testing, and on and on and on.

Honda/Acura is a cool company, but they hardly have the market cornered on innovation. Unless, of course, you believe the hype they put out.

Ron A

Wow, this thing is growing like a real Ramblings thread. I guess all of us mods were out today for this thing to get so long, but it really belongs in the Car Talk Forum. But I am glad that nednj36 provided everyone with an afternoon of entertainment.

I skimmed through the thread and it seems pretty well behaved, which is a great achievement for a thread of this type in this forum.

Since we can't move threads into other forums, please repost there if you wish to continue this discussion.