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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 01:25 PM
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J35A8 vs. J35A8

I just replaced the timing belt in my 07 TL Type S. it has 170K mikes and this is the third timing belt. Previous owner replaced at 140K.
I initially installed it with 1 tooth off, and after running the engine in the garage, and getting the codes, I reinstalled the belt. I then took it around the block and all seemed fine. She was running great. I drove it less than a mile and as I pulled into the drive way, She died with a pop.
The timing belt stripped out at the crankshaft gear - See pics -
Now the Fire wall side camshaft wont move, and I'm betting I've got bent valves.

My question is : Are all J35A8 engines the same? I found a 2005 ACURA RL Engine 3.5L for sale. It is a J35A8, just like my 07TL Type S. Can I drop this long block in and bolt on all my external components to it?

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Brand new timing belt. 8 minutes of run time
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Old Apr 2, 2017 | 08:41 PM
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RL j35a8 will bolt up and make a little bit more power due to better camshaft. If you can get an RL motor I would do that over a Type-S. Not sure if you are At or MT, But you might have to change some stuff over
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 09:01 AM
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It has been done before, a guy swap RL motor to his TL-S and here is the thread. He does mention some component will needed to be transfer from the old motor for the swap.
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 10:24 AM
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Imho its not worth the hassle for an extra 14hp
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by alexb92
Imho its not worth the hassle for an extra 14hp
he has a blown motor. Might as well for 14hp for an extra 1-2 hour of swapping over stuff
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 02:32 PM
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2007 TL-S J35 rated 286 HP, 2007 Acura RL J35 Rated at 290 HP "SAE Correction method" all of that being said its 4 HP differences. I don't know where you guy get the 14 HP from
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
2007 TL-S J35 rated 286 HP, 2007 Acura RL J35 Rated at 290 HP "SAE Correction method" all of that being said its 4 HP differences. I don't know where you guy get the 14 HP from
they used to be rated for 300 crank hp before they changed the rating. :p in 2006 which dropped it 10 crank hp

https://www.edmunds.com/acura/rl/2005/features-specs/

still a good upgrade for 4 hp and more TQ throughout the area under the curve since the RL camshaft were more aggressive to move that 2 ton tank. I have the camshaft spec sheets TLS VS RL somewhere

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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
they used to be rated for 300 crank hp before they changed the rating. :p in 2006 which dropped it 10 crank hp

https://www.edmunds.com/acura/rl/2005/features-specs/

still a good upgrade for 4 hp and more TQ throughout the area under the curve since the RL camshaft were more aggressive to move that 2 ton tank. I have the camshaft spec sheets TLS VS RL somewhere

Oh so you mean our TL magically drop HP from 270 to 258? :P .... LOL now back to topic, yes I know the RL has improved TQ band on the low since I drive that 2 tons tank every day now


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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
It has been done before, a guy swap RL motor to his TL-S and here is the thread. He does mention some component will needed to be transfer from the old motor for the swap.

I don't see the thread link. Thanks for the info though, I'll do a search when I get a minute.
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
Oh so you mean our TL magically drop HP from 270 to 258? :P .... LOL now back to topic, yes I know the RL has improved TQ band on the low since I drive that 2 tons tank every day now

Love that 2 ton tank . Just wish the bearing the CF drive shaft was easier to service vs paying 1.2k for a new one.
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JFixit 07 TL.S
I don't see the thread link. Thanks for the info though, I'll do a search when I get a minute.

my work computer being retarded again, here is the link.


https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g...type-s-938033/
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 07:04 PM
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The block I am getting is a J35A8 out of a 2005 RL SH-AWD. I don't think there will be an issue, but I am going to be thread searching like mad to find any differences, in the bolt on component items. Im happy for the increase in power and torque, but honestly Im happy getting a 105k motor to drop in my 185k car. I should be able to get another 100k out of this thing, before I hand-me-down it to my kid.
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Old Apr 3, 2017 | 07:08 PM
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I would get 105k service done and check for the oil pump prior bolt the new motor up. You have access to everything when the motor is out.
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 12:28 AM
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Yes, I was planning on a full service - or as much as I can do. Since I just did that on the engine that blew, I have a good amount of new parts to switch over.
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 09:03 AM
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Do you have MT or AT ?
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 10:46 AM
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I have a AT
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 11:37 AM
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I also see that your in california. So when you get smog just don't say anything about it. :p
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 12:24 PM
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The bigger question is... What in the world happened to the T-belt? That is far from normal!!!
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
he has a blown motor. Might as well for 14hp for an extra 1-2 hour of swapping over stuff
I can't even imagine it being more than an hour of labor. I mean, if he has both engines out of the car, it should be rather quick to swap everything over. I wouldn't do it for the performance upgrade alone, but in his scenario, I think it's a wise move.
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 04:05 PM
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That crank pulley is a pain in the ass to get off the crank without doing the starter blimp. There is a tool on amazon that makes it easier with an impact gun due to the larger area it hits on vs a standard impact socket.
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 04:42 PM
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Do you live in so cal? I know this isn't your question but

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/pts/6056682705.html
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Old Apr 4, 2017 | 05:42 PM
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Old Apr 5, 2017 | 09:42 AM
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I'm an old pro at the crankshaft pulley. I have 2 breaker bars and also a nice airgun.

As far as Commiefornia smog laws, I don't know what your talking about.... this is the original engine. I don't even wrench, bro!!

And, I'm getting the J35a8 with 105k for 800$
pulled from an RL with all wheel drive.
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Old Mar 9, 2021 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
2007 TL-S J35 rated 286 HP, 2007 Acura RL J35 Rated at 290 HP "SAE Correction method" all of that being said its 4 HP differences. I don't know where you guy get the 14 HP from
they’re the same exact engines. The RL doesn’t have different cams then the 07-08 TLS. Only difference in hp numbers is where they took them from in the rpm range. They make 286 @6200 310 @ 6500 who knows how much at the 6900 rpm redline.
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Old Mar 9, 2021 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave 711
they’re the same exact engines. The RL doesn’t have different cams then the 07-08 TLS. Only difference in hp numbers is where they took them from in the rpm range. They make 286 @6200 310 @ 6500 who knows how much at the 6900 rpm redline.
What? do you know what are you talking about? TL-S cam is hollow and has slightly different lob profile than the RL cam. Meanwhile RL cam are solid.

Bonus question since you know everything. Why RL has extra 4 HP over TL-S?
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Old Mar 9, 2021 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave 711
they’re the same exact engines. The RL doesn’t have different cams then the 07-08 TLS.
Parts diagram indicates you are wrong as well. The front cam is the same, but the rear cam is different
2008 TL type S:
https://www.oemacuraparts.com/v-2008...ft-timing-belt
RL:
https://www.oemacuraparts.com/v-2007...ft-timing-belt
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Old Mar 12, 2021 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TacoBello
The bigger question is... What in the world happened to the T-belt? That is far from normal!!!

I'm also curious as to how this happened in the first place
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Old Mar 12, 2021 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
What? do you know what are you talking about? TL-S cam is hollow and has slightly different lob profile than the RL cam. Meanwhile RL cam are solid.

Bonus question since you know everything. Why RL has extra 4 HP over TL-S?
I think, RL has extra 4 HP because of its true dual exhaust vs TLS wannabe dual exhaust. Motor specs are identical.

https://www.oemacuraparts.com/v-2007...t-pipe-muffler

https://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org...muffler-type-s
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Old Mar 12, 2021 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Valens
I'm also curious as to how this happened in the first place
Knock off timing belt kit from ebay I'd say.
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Old Aug 17, 2021 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
What? do you know what are you talking about? TL-S cam is hollow and has slightly different lob profile than the RL cam. Meanwhile RL cam are solid.

Bonus question since you know everything. Why RL has extra 4 HP over TL-S?
That’s completely wrong. RL cams are gun drilled forged and hollow all the way to the timing belt pulley. They are known as the best factory cams you can run. Highest lift, longest duration, and the lightest, You need to do some research. I’ve taken more of them apart than I can count and have 3 sets of the cams in my house right now. They don’t even look close to the same, and the lobes are pressed on the TL Type S cams.
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Old Aug 17, 2021 | 11:33 AM
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Take a look…


Not the same design.

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