because on a track the accident is cleared away. if you mess up and flip your car no one is there to clean up your mess and others run the risk of running into you since your headlights, tail lights, etc might not work anymore. on a track you are minimizing the risk to others.

and - people watching races at the track are assuming the risk of something going wrong, whereas people driving on a public highway are assuming a much lower risk that someone is going to act like a dumbass

 

Well I suppose everyone weighs their own risks and does what they want to do anyways. I have had my TL-S to 150. Big deal. It wasnt dangerous "to me." it was on an empty highway and I do have properly equipped tires so screw it i decided to go 150. BTW according to everything I have read the TL's are governed to 147, I believe this to be true of course cause I hti 144 in 5th gear adn then switched to 6th adn then felt the car stay at 150. Of course the speedo is not going to be dead on at that speed, only true way to know is by GPS.

 

Fast compared to what? Actually it looked pretty slow above 120mph. My 2002 540 would get from 120mph to 150mph in half the time it took this Acura.

 

that's right man, it's not as bad as some of these people say it to be, they take it as the end of the world....it's cuz most are scared to go over 75 too, because it's a dangerous and high speed.

 

haha, sorry i didn't mean it as a personal attack i just generalized about some people that whine too much on some topics....i didn't specifically call someone that.

 

basically if you say it's stupid to go 150, it is and it don't matter if you are on a track or a road, it's stupid and the risks to you are basically the same, if you are also putting others at risk, then it's your fault, but if these cars are governed at 150 i am sure that even though honda does not suggest it for safety purposes, the car is fully capable to handle the speeds.....even in your owners manual it says even though it's unlawful to go above the speed limit and honda does not suggest it, it says that if you plan to go over 120 or so you should inflate your tires to like 40psi.

 

Lets just hope this is not the night of the joyride:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiAqyswiIr4

(Same Youtube poster)

 

No, you missed my point. I don't give a shit if you want to kill yourself going 150, thats fine with me. I'd rather you kill yourself at a track where you are not running the risk of putting others in danger of your inexperience. I'd rather you run into a wall at 150 and people expect the crash than having some family come up on your wreck at 3am with no warning and suffering injuries as well.

 

Sad to say it... But my 2007 SE V6 Camry got to 147 MPH much faster than the TL in the video as well.

I just traded the 2007 Camry for a 2006 TL this last weekend... The biggest thing I miss is the power of the DOHC 3.5, that thing hauls the mail. I won't be running any post 2007 V6 Camrys with my TL unless I'm looking for a good ass-beating.

edit: BTW - the Camry is limited to 162, it will have the TL (limited to 152) headlights in the rearview mirror until it crests the horizon.

The new and the old....

 

There are many things different about the street and track. To name some that to mind right away:

1) My/your friends and family are not expecting some jerk to be running over 100MPH on the road (the track -yes).

2) The road is a necessity for many people to use transportation for their daily lives (the track is not a necessity and you can choose not to use or go to it).

3) Safety requirements much more lenient on the road than the track since road speeds are only a fraction of track speeds.

4) You have safety checks once or twice a year on the road (at the track it's every time you use it -with a helmet).

5) Emergency vehicles/personal are trained and ready for very bad things to
happen on the street. Only they may be many long minutes/hours away (not so at the track, they're right there and usually not far from a hospital).


I'm not trying to argue with you but only trying to get you to understand something that is usually learned with age or first had experience from a bad situation. Going fast is fun! But there are risks, most you already know.

The insurance companies have long understood risks and their premiums reflect them. You may be an exceptional driver but your in a group that they would like to not insure. Buy the time you have proven yourself to them you are just about out of that group and into a group they are more willing to insure. The statistics
unfortunately show the risks for your group and allow them charge the crazy premiums.

You could be right about maintaining control at such high speeds with a failure. But you could be wrong. Since no one here has added their experience of such a situation the smart thing is to assume that it's a big problem if it were to happen.

Rules are made to be followed not broken. They are intended to create order and protect people from others who have no sense or just don't care. If everyone were to do the correct things all the time there would be no need for rules and no one would waste time creating them. Could you imagine a pilot landing his plane on the highway because he thought it was fun!

I would still like to see a video of 100+ MPH joy ride on the street when a tire blows out. I just don't know if I want to watch the very end.

 

these guys are crazy. check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ruN9UZIh0E

 

Umm, if I recall correctly, there are several threads on this site where members have posted their claimed top speeds. Many of which were very close...

 

I've been a pilot now for only a few years... So maybe I haven't gotten deep enough into the FARs to find that rule, yet they let me fly an aeromobile?

At any rate...I've been up to the better side of 150 a few times and before you pass judgement, you need to understand all the circumstances. The US of A is a big place, it doesn't surprise me one bit someone can find someplace to open it up every now and then.

The dudes in the video are twinks, no doubt about it.

But pass judgement less the be judged.

An example... These guys landed on the road. No S.W.A.T. team or FAA Mr. Smith present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI2_LeSju2E

 

Wrong I don't drink, nor do I smoke. If you want to talk about fast then my supercharged maxima is a nice fast car. Tire ratings arent bullshit. I am an automotive tech and I have seen cars which kids have borrowed from their parents driving speeds they aren't suppose to drive at come to get their car serviced and what do I see a bunch of cracking in the tires. There is nothing ignorant about my statment. You show me at age 19 and a "Full time student" you pulled 30k+ out of your ass to buy a TL... Please grow up. And being drunk and doing 130+ makes everything better now does it....

 

^^^Let this be the last of this please.

 

wow, chill man when did i say i was drunk doing 130+? and when did i say i was a full time student? and when did i say i pulled 30k+? there is such thing as finance which i did mention before but you failed to read, also, your supercharged maxima could well be a fast car, but that nissan never has and will never be a nice car....altohough it might be a nice dream to you.

 

true, but look at this

http://home.versateladsl.be/vt637630...ading_test.jpg

that's why noone noticed

 

also, cracking in the tires is not due to high speed my man, that's just lol....it's due to them getting old and the sun baking them...also if you drive them underinflated...but how is high speed driving supposed to crack them?? you may be a "tech" but i have seen many "techs" that all they got is a diploma and can do what they are told, but really have no idea of what they are seeing or doing....i call them walmart techs, not saying you are one but saying a tech don't mean much to me.....by the way i can afford my tl by myself because i am a business owner (not trying to brag to you)

 

exactly what i was talking about

 

that was retarded
~Jason

 

correct, don't get me wrong i am not encouraging those things to be done on the street or at all, but i just want to shed some light on the people that look at a blown tire at 100mph as the end of the world, and it cud very well be very bad in some cases but the thing i don't like about that is that they talk like if a tire blows on them at 100mph they would just let go of the wheel, close thir eyes, and give up on life........i'm talking like that because i am sick of the overexadurators and panicers that are trying to talk sence into you, but really having no clue of what they are taling about....not saying anyone in particualr

 

correct, don't get me wrong i am not encouraging those things to be done on the street or at all, but i just want to shed some light on the people that look at a blown tire at 100mph as the end of the world, and it cud very well be very bad in some cases but the thing i don't like about that is that they talk like if a tire blows on them at 100mph they would just let go of the wheel, close thir eyes, and give up on life........i'm talking like that because i am sick of the overexadurators and panicers that are trying to talk sence into you, but really having no clue of what they are taling about....not saying anyone in particualr

 

I saw a show about the Autobahn the other day on the history channel. It stated that the there is a lower accident rate on it than on our interstate system.
I was in Germany this summer for the world cup and did not see anybody driving extremely fast on it though. People were defenitly driving 100+ though. Too bad we were driving some piece of crap Peugeot station wagon. I would have loved to have my TL over there.

 

exactly my man, it's safer because people there know that they have no speed limit, and with their speed comes responsibility, unlike here, speed limit 65 and the average american sets 65 on the cruise control, drive side by side so noone can pass, and think that because they are doing the speed limit everything is under control and they are perfect drivers.......it's sad because even 25mph is too fast for some of the people out there, there is people out there that hate cars but still drive cuz they have to, and that makes them the shittiest drivers cuz they don't care to learn how to drive...

another thing is the cars here, trucks lifted to the sky because some ******* thinks it's cool to look like you are gonna run small cars over and that they are undestructible this way, and that they could go anywhere offroad, truth is that they never do but spend $1000s on their pos trucks just for their sick minds....

the autobahn system is very good because it saves a lot of time with speeds higher than 65, and also, why do cars say 140, 160, 180, etc on their speedometers when the most you can leagally reach here is 75??? they have the gearing for these speeds, they are built for these speeds, the tires are rated for those speeds, but it's the poeple that can't drive that forces the speed limit, not that the machine is not fully capable of doing it...and because there are so many scared monks on this site that would say you are an "idoit", this will forever be grannyland where every time you spin your tires or pull an e-brake, some stupid woman with her dogs will call the police because she thinks that's too XTREME and because the old ***** has nothing else to do but try to fix the world by the way she thinks it should be ran.

sorry for the rant, but i get pissed off at stuff like this.....and i know these speeds are dangerous but not always as dangerous as a lot of people might think.....if you are in control, you are in control...period. and god bless at the end because you never know what is going to happen the next moment, but so many accident deaths happen at low speed also that if we were going by some people's theory here we should all be walking cuz it's a lot safer that way.

 

Oh! I get ti own!

 

I'm not gonna lie, I do fly around in my car a lot and I definitely consider myself to be one of the very good younger drivers, but one thing you have to realize is that you're not totally under control at such high speeds... random things can come up so fast that by the time you can even think to react, it's already over... Something can go wrong with your car, animals pop up out of nowhere, people can be retarded and pull some stupid shit, etc... It's not a perfect world out there and bad accidents can happen to even the best of drivers (I hate NASCAR, but Dale Earnhardt's an example that comes to mind)... I know every time I'm speeding, my mind's always racing because I'm paying attention to everyone on the road and I try to be considerate of everyone else and not get in anyone's way or put anyone in danger... It's fun as hell and driving is one of my absolute favorite things to do because I love it so much, but it's not something to do carelessly... You seem like you're a little too much on the carefree side when you speed... I'm not gonna advocate not speeding because I'll be the first one to gun it if you're trying to pass me on the highway, but you can't be cocky... that's how people kill themselves... If you think, "oh, nothing's gonna happen to me because I'm a good driver," it shows you're not mature enough yet to really handle those speeds and feelings of invincibility are proof of that (although I don't know you well enough so I won't judge you)... Your confidence in your driving's a little unnerving because I'm assuming you haven't taken any extreme driving courses... I guess what I'm trying to say is, have fun joyriding, but do it with extreme caution... You have to realize that you never know what can happen and that you can't say it won't happen to you or you'll be able to handle it... You'll just end up jinxing yourself



PS- props for financing your own TL... I'm doing the exact same thing (and in college, too)

 

This is a great post!!! I totally agree with everything you said. The problem is not many "heavy foot" drivers have this mentality that you have.

 

I also agree with speedbawlinTL, he's very aware of high speed driving risks.

He reminded me that many years ago I hit a raccoon. He ran across the dimly lit two lane parkway I was traveling on at 65MPG in a Sunbird. I remember the front left of the car lifting then the wheel seemed to bounce a little as the car settled down. Probably due to the lack of suspension travel on a small car. I was glade I was going straight since there was little feeling in the steering wheel when it happened.

I asked a coworker, a technical car fanatic who used to do some car racing, his opinion of a blowout above 100 MPH. He then told me a story of a friend that rolled his Volvo at 85MPG due to a front tire blowout on the highway. The guy was lucky, no injuries.

The faster you go the more things you need in your favor. High speeds are not forgiving like low speeds. Things get very bad very quick when there's a problem or mistake.

 

I agree with you, i am the same way, when i said you are in control of what happens, i didn't mean it as in you are god and nothing can stop you, i meant it in the way of always being cautious and not having anything as an excuse, if anything happens i would look at it as my own fault, because i did not judge conditions well enough, but knock on wood , not that i'm saying it's not possible for anything to happen at high speed, but when i say you are in control, that means not only the car, but judgement as well.....i don't get cocky while driving, if someone passes me on the highway, i am like you, i go after him, but only when it's safe....i also like taking some small streets home sometimes to slide around a little, pull some e-beakes and higher speed drifts, especially in the rain , but i never get too cocky and i've never hit a crub or put any curb rash on the wheels of a car in my life, hope to keep it like that because there is no excuse for especially the small accidents but a crappy driver.

 

lol...wlel not eaxtlcy, for you to udernanstd tihs you wulod hvae to hvae the 1st and the lsat lteetr in the rhigt pcale...

 

Taht was so cool!!

 

hahaha... nice man... I'm glad you got a chance to explain yourself and show you're not a dumbass... and I know what you mean aout taking the backroads home from work during rush hour... it's SOOO fun since Virginia's got some ridiculously crazy backroads, even real close to DC if you know where to go... It's just so fun pushing the car to it's limits (speed and handling... the intake and sway bars help with those) and this one road I that love in MD has basically become mine becuase of how fast I can get down it... at night it's an empty 5-minute stretch of road (at 60+ mph) that winds and turns with some straightaways mixed in that even those drivers in car commercials would be jealous of... I'm surprised I've never seen anyone else around there at night because it's so empty and has only one T-intersection between the beginning and end of the road (it's in the middle of a straighaway, so you can easily see and stop for any cars)... I'd even go as far as to say that it's long enough and has the complexity that, if it were actually closed down, you could probably hold a pro circuit autocross meet there... Now, I know our cars can't drift, per say, but when I'm going around those turns, the sound of tires screeching as the back swings out to take the turn echos into the night... have fun driving, people, and stay as safe as you can at whichever speeds you deem to be... uhh... adequate? lmfao

 

The only time I have ever driven that fast in my TL was in the day on an open road where no cops could hide, driving at night like that is stupid, thoses guys also sound like they had a few drinks.

 

Vegas drivers and others
Please see the website scca.org and type in your zip code.
Northern Ca drivers see thunderhill.com

Through them you can find very low cost -~250$ range for full day Professional instruction given in your own car. There are numerous car owners clubs that run driving schools all the time. Vegas has a nice roadrace track and other opportunities, including drifting and slalom course- auto-x racing you may enjoy as well for $25 entry fee.

I am a pilot, race driver, mechanic, scuba rescue diver and more. SAFETY is my bag baby!

Sliding around dark street corners in the rain- thats when you will find some little kid riding his bike on the bad side of the apex
I am assuming you know what apex means- if not- stop driving recklessly and go to race school
It will help you avoid the real idiot drivers on the road

Learn to drive Wreckless!

 

Speed ratings on tires are not about a few minutes of that speed- it is Sustained speed- measured until blowout or overtemp-weakness- other failing grade, (unless they have gone modern in testing), but usually 30 minutes of that speed was required to attain the rating

The autobahn is crowded by day, early in the am you better be prepared for the 180mph ++++ club to be looming in your mirrors

One auto maker takes a camera onboard to certify the top speed of each individual car they sell, you see him just sailing at 231mph and that was with 2 camera guys on, usually gets 234

On blown tires at speed- simply ease off the throttle- Ease I said! and hold tight to the wheel, figure out which end of the car is dancing, when slowed, ease on the brakes, hard sudden braking will turn the car or much worse. Just keep it straight and keep breathing- very important!

 

Hey SpeedB

The Dale E accident was actually a moderate crash.
The actual problem was failure of the crew to install the lap belt mounts according to the makers instructions. The meant the belt was not in alignment with the metal clasp that holds it tight. On impact the clasp assembly CUT right thru the belt- because the belt slipped thru its retainer. That would not have happened if belt istalled properly.
The now huge slack in the seat belts allowed the body to move forward and to the right with resultant fatal injuries.

When I work Tech inspection at the track - I really look close at seat belts and make sure everything looks right

 

oh ok... I don't really like NASCAR or anything, but

 

yea man, i know what you mean....but after what happend last night i now realize even more how you can never be too careful.... I got in an accident, i was driving in a 3 lane road with a 45mph speed limit......the left lane was not moving, the middle which i was in was moving fairly quickly, and the right almost not moving as well.....i was driving 50+ with the other cars when this gray ford excursion pulled up in front of me in the center lane.....i slammed on the brakes but there was no way i was gonna stop.......so i veered to the right, trying to squize between two cars like a motorcyle, but it was too tight so i scraped this 2000 Honda Accord on the side doors... good thing is that damages are minimal, i only have a tennis ball sized dent in my fender and there is nothing else wrong, and she just got some paint exchange on ther doors....it really sucks but if i rear ended that suv with the speed i was going with at the time (i was gonna hit him with about 10mph), my whole front end would of been taken off resulting in 1000s of dollars in damage, like this atleast every1 is ok, including the cars, the most i will need to do is replace my fender if it's not possible to fix it good....but no matter what, the guy that cut infront of me was not in an accident so i am the one at fault for hitting that car, if it were to have seen me and turned to the right a little bit, i would of fit between her, but i can't blame it on her she's just a woman that really did nothing wrong, she could of payd a little more attention but it's ok........i am the one at fault and as i said b4, if you are in an accident you have fault in it and i agree to that, mabe i could of gotten on the horn to alert her to move to the right a little, but yea, some stuff happens so quick you have little time to think....atleast it was the small devil ....my fault was also for not sleeping long enough that day, i guess tiredness lowers reflexes too.

 

what's funny is when someone calls someone an idiot, but spells it wrong...

 

Oh man... that's NUTS ... fucking SUVs! I'm glad to hear everyone's ok, tho... but yeah, all that stuff I was talking about mitigating circumstances includes getting your sleep... When I'm tired, I tend to drive on the conservative side because I don't feel like dealing with other people's shit, so unless a car I can catch flies by fast enough to get my adrenaline pumping, I'm that old grannie in the right lane (never under the speed limit, tho)... lol... good luck fixing your car and like I said earlier, glad to hear nothing that too horrible happened (although messing up a TL AND an S2k is almost sinfully bad ... lol... jk, jk)