How many quarts of transmission fluid?
#1
How many quarts of transmission fluid?
I went to Acura parts store and they sold me 4 quarts for a tranny fluid drain and replace.. However, every forum article I've come across states to use 3 quarts. Any advice, guys?
#5
Between 3 and 4 depending on the temperature of oil and how vehicle is raised.
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#6
Did it not occur to you to use the search function?
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/rr-journals-atf-drain-refill-3g-garage-c-012-a-556044/
or
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/%2A-6-spd-tranny-fluid-change-%2A-3g-garage-c-013-a-558814/
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/rr-journals-atf-drain-refill-3g-garage-c-012-a-556044/
or
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/%2A-6-spd-tranny-fluid-change-%2A-3g-garage-c-013-a-558814/
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#8
Did it not occur to you to use the search function?
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556044
or
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558814
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556044
or
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=558814
OP - you didn't specify auto or manual so that's going to be your difference but the two threads from con5tant's post will guide you depending on which tranny you have.
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justnspace (10-11-2012)
#9
I usually do about 3.5 after fully draining out the existing transmission fluid. I only use Honda ATF, and do not try to mess around with anything else. So, it really depends, but anything over 3.1- and less than 4 should do it.
#10
like some of the comments above, depend on how much is drained out. i have drain my a numerous time, i never went over 3 quarts :-/. usually about 2.75 quarts. it measure to the 2nd dot on the dipstick
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Chad05TL (05-01-2024)
#12
I just did mine a couple of weeks ago and 4 quarts came out the first change. About 3.5 came out the second change. So I was only able to do 2X since I only got 9 quarts - after reading 3X3 method. I will do my third when it's time for an oil change.
#14
Did my a couple weeks ago, almost got 4 quarts out. The previous times is was around 3-3.5. I believe it was due to me driving the car the hour before and the ATF was still a warm.
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Instructor
Unrelated question, when doing an driveshaft/axle replacement is ATF going to come out for sure? Would it be better to drain it beforehand before removing axle?
#18
Tranny fluid
If you are going to flush the entire transmission to get out all of the old tranny fluid, it take almost 12 qrts of fluid. You guys that are pulling the drain plug and and putting 3 or 4 qrts in are just mixing 3 to 4 clean fluid qrts of clean fluid with 8 qrts of dirty fluid. Just putting it out their for those that don't know the real deal.
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#19
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If you are going to flush the entire transmission to get out all of the old tranny fluid, it take almost 12 qrts of fluid. You guys that are pulling the drain plug and and putting 3 or 4 qrts in are just mixing 3 to 4 clean fluid qrts of clean fluid with 8 qrts of dirty fluid. Just putting it out their for those that don't know the real deal.
3x3 will get close to ~90% of the old fluid out.
#21
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Not thst much in the radiator. Just do your change and then pour until you reach the proper dot on the dip stick
#22
If anybody reading this thread gets confused as to why one person said 2.3L for the transmission that is because that is the amount for a refill on the manual transmission models.
#23
the amount you take out should be close to what you put back in.
#24
https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g...f-pics-745892/
3x3 will get close to ~90% of the old fluid out.
3x3 will get close to ~90% of the old fluid out.
Plus their is an easy diy way to do the same job at home. Just YouTube diy transmission flush. Several videos on how to do it.
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Donny J Pennekamp (12-19-2020)
#25
when the transmissions are as picky as they are to viscosity why would you be happy with almost 90% good fluid when the 10% will change the properties of the almost 90% enough that you lose drive time on that fluid. Honda fluid is extremely expensive. So why not pay and extra 40 to 60 bucks and have the them do the flush for you. Then 99% of the old comes out. Not almost 90% not to mention that the 3x3 method only replaces 9 qrts. A j35 automatic transmission hold's 12 qrts. So that is 3 qrts of trash fluid mixed with 9 good qrts. Doesn't make sense to me to waste that kind of money on fluid.
Plus their is an easy diy way to do the same job at home. Just YouTube diy transmission flush. Several videos on how to do it.
Plus their is an easy diy way to do the same job at home. Just YouTube diy transmission flush. Several videos on how to do it.
my question is, how will 4 qrts change will be a wast of money and time by mixing it with old oil? Obviously not, and read a little bit, Honda does not recommend flushing the Oil of their transmission...
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#28
Drifting
I agree. It is a little over 3 quarts based on my personal experience. Plus i was talking to the parts counter person at Luke Riley Honda and I mentioned doing a three quart "drain and fill" and he interrupted me and said 3.2 I think or 3. something ... I don't remember. But it was over 3 quarts. It is a little bit tricky because it's so hard to read the dipstick. And it is really important not to run low on fluid because on the base model, it does not have a transmission cooler and the fluid is the only thing that it gets cooling from. So yeah I'm glad I found this post because everyone always calls it a 3 quart drain and fill but it's actually a little more
#29
Drifting
update: It is way over 3 quarts.
Like 3.6 ish if you let it drain until it stops... and I lowered the car down to let it drain out more..
Car temperature: overnight cold.. Ambient temp is 75.
(Still some wetness in the pan and on the cardboard)
Over 1/2 a quart below. (So anyone doing a 3x1 drain and fill, better plan on more than 3)
By the way, I did 50% DW1 and 50% Redline D4. (I dont use RTF )
My magnet bolt had like Zero metal dust / shavings on it.
Like 3.6 ish if you let it drain until it stops... and I lowered the car down to let it drain out more..
Car temperature: overnight cold.. Ambient temp is 75.
(Still some wetness in the pan and on the cardboard)
Over 1/2 a quart below. (So anyone doing a 3x1 drain and fill, better plan on more than 3)
By the way, I did 50% DW1 and 50% Redline D4. (I dont use RTF )
My magnet bolt had like Zero metal dust / shavings on it.
Last edited by Chad05TL; 05-01-2024 at 04:41 PM.
#30
I don't know if anyone else does this but what I did was I went to the paint section of wally mart and bought one of those 5 quart pails that has the quarts measured out on the side of it and I just catch all the ATF and/or MTF in that thing and it tells me how much to put back. I'll usually verify the markings on the pail when I first get it with a measuring cup or beaker or something. As long as you drain cool/cold and fill cold you should be solid. No more guess and check and always been dead on when I do check.
To address the original question my drain & fills are usually right @ 3 quarts exact
To address the original question my drain & fills are usually right @ 3 quarts exact
#31
Drifting
The dipstick is too short. Honda needs to extend the handle. I would love to replace that dipstick with a longer aftermarket
#32
Drifting
I bet $1 that the amount you drain out depends on how much fluid you have in the transmission. (sounds like a no brainer, right?)
The system reportedly holds 9 quarts according to Aziners, (Helm says 7.4 at overhaul) while the pan is approximately 3 quarts. So it seems reasonable that 6 quarts are in the valvebody and other parts while 3 is in the pan. (if you use 9 quarts as a full system capacity, which I am not sure it is)
But what if you add an extra 1/2 quart?? where does it go? unlikely the valvebody and other parts of the transmission.
So that may explain why some people drain out more than others. Because some people have added more fluid than others,. And any more than 6 quarts will go to the pan.
You have to consider evaporation too
All these factors create variations in amount you drain out.
That said, the important thing is to not run below the recommended range of operation as indicated on the dipstick.
I just read the Helm book and it says to check the fluid level within 60-90 seconds after you shutoff the engine, with the engine hot.
It does not say check the dipstick within 30 seconds.. That is a big difference because if you wait 60 seconds, it gives the fluid time to settle before you stick it. And this 3rd gen TL does need time to settle because the fluid is literally all over the stick if you check it too fast. And that also leads to the orginal problem above where many of us report different amount of fluid that we drain out. As for myself, since the TL dipstick is so hard to read, I generally error on the side of "a little extra".. That said, I didnt know the HELM book said to wait 60-90 seconds.. not 0-30 seconds like so many times I have heard.
Now, HELM says the amount in the pan is 3.2 quarts. This is exactly what the Honda guy told me at the parts counter
The system reportedly holds 9 quarts according to Aziners, (Helm says 7.4 at overhaul) while the pan is approximately 3 quarts. So it seems reasonable that 6 quarts are in the valvebody and other parts while 3 is in the pan. (if you use 9 quarts as a full system capacity, which I am not sure it is)
But what if you add an extra 1/2 quart?? where does it go? unlikely the valvebody and other parts of the transmission.
So that may explain why some people drain out more than others. Because some people have added more fluid than others,. And any more than 6 quarts will go to the pan.
You have to consider evaporation too
All these factors create variations in amount you drain out.
That said, the important thing is to not run below the recommended range of operation as indicated on the dipstick.
I just read the Helm book and it says to check the fluid level within 60-90 seconds after you shutoff the engine, with the engine hot.
It does not say check the dipstick within 30 seconds.. That is a big difference because if you wait 60 seconds, it gives the fluid time to settle before you stick it. And this 3rd gen TL does need time to settle because the fluid is literally all over the stick if you check it too fast. And that also leads to the orginal problem above where many of us report different amount of fluid that we drain out. As for myself, since the TL dipstick is so hard to read, I generally error on the side of "a little extra".. That said, I didnt know the HELM book said to wait 60-90 seconds.. not 0-30 seconds like so many times I have heard.
Now, HELM says the amount in the pan is 3.2 quarts. This is exactly what the Honda guy told me at the parts counter
Last edited by Chad05TL; 05-05-2024 at 05:46 PM.
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