How fast is the Type-S really?
07-20-2009, 09:54 PM
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How fast is the Type-S really?
I was planning to get a used TL Type-S but I did some research and came up with the G37 sedan to compare with. The G37 has a 3.7 liter V6 with 328hp and 269lb-ft of torque and the TL Type-S has a 3.5 liter V6 with 286hp and 256lb-ft of torque, but how is it that the TL Type-S and the G37 sedan have identical 0-60mph times of 5.5secs?
07-20-2009, 10:05 PM
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I was planning to get a used TL Type-S but I did some research and came up with the G37 sedan to compare with. The G37 has a 3.7 liter V6 with 328hp and 269lb-ft of torque and the TL Type-S has a 3.5 liter V6 with 286hp and 256lb-ft of torque, but how is it that the TL Type-S and the G37 sedan have identical 0-60mph times of 5.5secs?
07-20-2009, 10:09 PM
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07-20-2009, 10:12 PM
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i believe you are getting those times on the TL-S with a 6spd Manual.
and they are not the same 0-60
and the G37 has a faster quater mile time + a higher trapspeed
G37 Is Faster
I would choose the type-S thougb
and they are not the same 0-60
and the G37 has a faster quater mile time + a higher trapspeed
G37 Is Faster
I would choose the type-S thougb
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g37 or the 370 are not faster will eat them up on a 1/4 mile anyday!!!
ok maybe after 130mph they might take me becasue of the bigger displacement coming form that 3.7 liter excuse for an engine, but it better be a manual because the 5 speed auto trans models are no match for my stick type s, when my vtech kicks it over!!
played with one the other night, the tl 6mt has way to much torque.
even taking it up to 3500rpm is alot each gear drops heavy from first to third but is very powerful, trust me!! I own one!!!
ok maybe after 130mph they might take me becasue of the bigger displacement coming form that 3.7 liter excuse for an engine, but it better be a manual because the 5 speed auto trans models are no match for my stick type s, when my vtech kicks it over!!
played with one the other night, the tl 6mt has way to much torque.
even taking it up to 3500rpm is alot each gear drops heavy from first to third but is very powerful, trust me!! I own one!!!
07-20-2009, 10:45 PM
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I think 5.5 seconds for the TL-S, even if it is the 6MT, is optimistic at best. The G37 is a faster car, I don't think we can kid ourselves into believing it isn't (and I own an 08 TL-S).
But the TL-S looks nicer, has a far superior interior with better amenities, and is a more comfortable daily driver (which is why I ditched my 07 G35 coupe 6MT for one).
It really depends on what you're looking for in a car. The TL-S is my daily driver in LA traffic, so +/- 0.4 second differences in 0-60 time mean absolutely nothing. I want a car that I can live with on a daily basis, looks great, drives great, has an exclusivity factor and high resale, and the TL-S fits the bill.
But the TL-S looks nicer, has a far superior interior with better amenities, and is a more comfortable daily driver (which is why I ditched my 07 G35 coupe 6MT for one).
It really depends on what you're looking for in a car. The TL-S is my daily driver in LA traffic, so +/- 0.4 second differences in 0-60 time mean absolutely nothing. I want a car that I can live with on a daily basis, looks great, drives great, has an exclusivity factor and high resale, and the TL-S fits the bill.
07-20-2009, 10:55 PM
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my type-s was fast as fck...
i know on paper, the G37 and the 335i are faster cars
but i dogged SEVERAL G37's off the line.... and i SWEAR i took a 335i from a 10mph dig to like 70mph... 350Z (not too highly modded or N/A) were beatable
I was making just a hair over 300whp, car was 3600lbs....my exact setup, on a 6spd TL-S must be INSANELY fast... but upgraded engine mounts are a must
i know on paper, the G37 and the 335i are faster cars
but i dogged SEVERAL G37's off the line.... and i SWEAR i took a 335i from a 10mph dig to like 70mph... 350Z (not too highly modded or N/A) were beatable
I was making just a hair over 300whp, car was 3600lbs....my exact setup, on a 6spd TL-S must be INSANELY fast... but upgraded engine mounts are a must
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If both cars are stock
here's the thing
if you are looking at g37s coupe vs tl-s type s... both manual, the g37 will win
but sedan vs sedan the tl will win
ps. if you have an auto tl-s... forget it
if you are looking at g37s coupe vs tl-s type s... both manual, the g37 will win
but sedan vs sedan the tl will win
ps. if you have an auto tl-s... forget it
07-20-2009, 11:01 PM
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Whey I had my G35 coupe and would take it in for servicing, several of the Infiniti service people told me that the G37 sedan is quicker than the G37 coupe. Don't know if there are hard facts to back this up, but I can believe it. The coupe is a heavy bitch.
07-21-2009, 08:42 AM
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Every thread talking about how fast such and such car is everyone seems to claim the 6spd is WORLDS faster than the automatic.
How can everyone claim this? I have not seen one single video anywhere even on youtube showing an auto TL race a 6spd TL. Not at the track, not on the street, nowhere. I have seen magazine figures sure but we all know real world stuff seems to vary from that greatly.
I am also not biased here as I absolutely love manual cars as my Z06 vette is manual obviously, and so was my 05 C6 vette.
But the only way a manual car will beat the equivalant cars automatic is if its pretty much a professional driving. The average Joe can hardly launch the car correctly let alone shift quicker than an automatic.
Yes I do have an automatic TL-S and I wish there were some videos showing auto Tl vs 6spd TL.
Im willing to run mine if anyone near Chicago has a 6spd they wanna run :-) I have the HD camcorders.
How can everyone claim this? I have not seen one single video anywhere even on youtube showing an auto TL race a 6spd TL. Not at the track, not on the street, nowhere. I have seen magazine figures sure but we all know real world stuff seems to vary from that greatly.
I am also not biased here as I absolutely love manual cars as my Z06 vette is manual obviously, and so was my 05 C6 vette.
But the only way a manual car will beat the equivalant cars automatic is if its pretty much a professional driving. The average Joe can hardly launch the car correctly let alone shift quicker than an automatic.
Yes I do have an automatic TL-S and I wish there were some videos showing auto Tl vs 6spd TL.
Im willing to run mine if anyone near Chicago has a 6spd they wanna run :-) I have the HD camcorders.
07-21-2009, 09:02 AM
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Every thread talking about how fast such and such car is everyone seems to claim the 6spd is WORLDS faster than the automatic.
How can everyone claim this? I have not seen one single video anywhere even on youtube showing an auto TL race a 6spd TL. Not at the track, not on the street, nowhere. I have seen magazine figures sure but we all know real world stuff seems to vary from that greatly.
I am also not biased here as I absolutely love manual cars as my Z06 vette is manual obviously, and so was my 05 C6 vette.
But the only way a manual car will beat the equivalant cars automatic is if its pretty much a professional driving. The average Joe can hardly launch the car correctly let alone shift quicker than an automatic.
Yes I do have an automatic TL-S and I wish there were some videos showing auto Tl vs 6spd TL.
Im willing to run mine if anyone near Chicago has a 6spd they wanna run :-) I have the HD camcorders.
How can everyone claim this? I have not seen one single video anywhere even on youtube showing an auto TL race a 6spd TL. Not at the track, not on the street, nowhere. I have seen magazine figures sure but we all know real world stuff seems to vary from that greatly.
I am also not biased here as I absolutely love manual cars as my Z06 vette is manual obviously, and so was my 05 C6 vette.
But the only way a manual car will beat the equivalant cars automatic is if its pretty much a professional driving. The average Joe can hardly launch the car correctly let alone shift quicker than an automatic.
Yes I do have an automatic TL-S and I wish there were some videos showing auto Tl vs 6spd TL.
Im willing to run mine if anyone near Chicago has a 6spd they wanna run :-) I have the HD camcorders.
Consistency is one thing, but potential is there no matter what. Just like a poorly timed shift in manual mode on the automatic would have a similar effect. Leaving it in auto would provide greater consistency but the launch is still a big variable.
07-21-2009, 10:57 AM
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It really is more simple mathematics than anything else. The manual transmission model has about 5%-7% less drivetrain loss and ways about 100 lbs less. So you're looking at close to 10 hp + 100 lbs difference in weight which translates easily into several tenths of a second, which can translate into about 1 car length or so over a distance.
07-21-2009, 11:14 AM
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I know this is kind of going away from the topic but the absolute BEST driver I have ever heard of goes by the name of Ranger and is very well known over on the vette forums.
He holds the records to driving 100% stock vettes (some with only drag radials) to times almost unheard of. Stock C5 Z06's into 11's with original runflats!!!!! He just ran someones new ZR1 easily into the 10's twice both hotlaps at around 130mph!!! insane!
He would be the one te let run these cars even though he would probably get bored while waiting for the TL to finish the 1/4 hahahaha
Here is the ZR1 video sounds sooooooo good. I like watching this vid to see how he launches it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJAyCFmMwI
He holds the records to driving 100% stock vettes (some with only drag radials) to times almost unheard of. Stock C5 Z06's into 11's with original runflats!!!!! He just ran someones new ZR1 easily into the 10's twice both hotlaps at around 130mph!!! insane!
He would be the one te let run these cars even though he would probably get bored while waiting for the TL to finish the 1/4 hahahaha
Here is the ZR1 video sounds sooooooo good. I like watching this vid to see how he launches it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJAyCFmMwI
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g37 or the 370 are not faster will eat them up on a 1/4 mile anyday!!!
ok maybe after 130mph they might take me becasue of the bigger displacement coming form that 3.7 liter excuse for an engine, but it better be a manual because the 5 speed auto trans models are no match for my stick type s, when my vtech kicks it over!!
played with one the other night, the tl 6mt has way to much torque.
even taking it up to 3500rpm is alot each gear drops heavy from first to third but is very powerful, trust me!! I own one!!!
ok maybe after 130mph they might take me becasue of the bigger displacement coming form that 3.7 liter excuse for an engine, but it better be a manual because the 5 speed auto trans models are no match for my stick type s, when my vtech kicks it over!!
played with one the other night, the tl 6mt has way to much torque.
even taking it up to 3500rpm is alot each gear drops heavy from first to third but is very powerful, trust me!! I own one!!!
Also does the G37 not come with a 7 speed autobox if you don't get the 6 speed manual? The Vtech (!!!1!oneoneone!) is funny too, not just from the spelling but because the VQ has VVT as well. Maybe the "Vtech" name makes the same technology that much more superior.
If your TL has way too much torque, what do you call the 37 with even more torque? And likely across a broader rpm range?
There is so much wrong information in this thread...:thumbsdow
07-21-2009, 11:25 AM
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wtf is all this?
07-21-2009, 11:26 AM
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Mike, just get the Type-S already!
07-21-2009, 11:50 AM
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I guess i just became REALLY good at driving the 5AT in SS mode... because like i've said, i had some incredible feats... and i know my car wasnt THAT fast.. but i knew how to drive
..... Edwin happens to know a few things.... and one of the things Edwin knows is, its not how you stand by your car.... its how you race car.... you better remember that.....
07-21-2009, 12:00 PM
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Are you kidding? The 37 is a mid to low 13s car, no stock or near stock Type S is anywhere near that fast.
Also does the G37 not come with a 7 speed autobox if you don't get the 6 speed manual? The Vtech (!!!1!oneoneone!) is funny too, not just from the spelling but because the VQ has VVT as well. Maybe the "Vtech" name makes the same technology that much more superior.
If your TL has way too much torque, what do you call the 37 with even more torque? And likely across a broader rpm range?
There is so much wrong information in this thread...:thumbsdow
Also does the G37 not come with a 7 speed autobox if you don't get the 6 speed manual? The Vtech (!!!1!oneoneone!) is funny too, not just from the spelling but because the VQ has VVT as well. Maybe the "Vtech" name makes the same technology that much more superior.
If your TL has way too much torque, what do you call the 37 with even more torque? And likely across a broader rpm range?
There is so much wrong information in this thread...:thumbsdow
07-21-2009, 12:26 PM
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I know this is kind of going away from the topic but the absolute BEST driver I have ever heard of goes by the name of Ranger and is very well known over on the vette forums.
He holds the records to driving 100% stock vettes (some with only drag radials) to times almost unheard of. Stock C5 Z06's into 11's with original runflats!!!!! He just ran someones new ZR1 easily into the 10's twice both hotlaps at around 130mph!!! insane!
He would be the one te let run these cars even though he would probably get bored while waiting for the TL to finish the 1/4 hahahaha
Here is the ZR1 video sounds sooooooo good. I like watching this vid to see how he launches it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJAyCFmMwI
He holds the records to driving 100% stock vettes (some with only drag radials) to times almost unheard of. Stock C5 Z06's into 11's with original runflats!!!!! He just ran someones new ZR1 easily into the 10's twice both hotlaps at around 130mph!!! insane!
He would be the one te let run these cars even though he would probably get bored while waiting for the TL to finish the 1/4 hahahaha
Here is the ZR1 video sounds sooooooo good. I like watching this vid to see how he launches it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJAyCFmMwI
Good ole Ranger is back at it! Ive been away from the vette scene for awhile but I recall him doing some nasty things with a stock 06 Z06.....actually now that I think about it, didnt he get an 06 Z to run similar times as this Zr1 wtih just drag radials? Amazing cars either way.
07-21-2009, 01:20 PM
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g37 or the 370 are not faster will eat them up on a 1/4 mile anyday!!!
ok maybe after 130mph they might take me becasue of the bigger displacement coming form that 3.7 liter excuse for an engine, but it better be a manual because the 5 speed auto trans models are no match for my stick type s, when my vtech kicks it over!!
played with one the other night, the tl 6mt has way to much torque.
even taking it up to 3500rpm is alot each gear drops heavy from first to third but is very powerful, trust me!! I own one!!!
ok maybe after 130mph they might take me becasue of the bigger displacement coming form that 3.7 liter excuse for an engine, but it better be a manual because the 5 speed auto trans models are no match for my stick type s, when my vtech kicks it over!!
played with one the other night, the tl 6mt has way to much torque.
even taking it up to 3500rpm is alot each gear drops heavy from first to third but is very powerful, trust me!! I own one!!!
-there is no 5at g37
-vtech is a phone
-you played with a g37 and lost, dont fool yourself
-the tl-s does not have too much torque, well maybe too much for FWD car, try driving a car that breaks the 14 second 1/4 mile.
-your gears drop heavy bc you cant shift
-the vq37 is based on an engine which has been on the list of top 10 engines for over a decade
-g37 and 370 will absolutely eat a tl in the 1/4 mile
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NO matter what forum u go one you will see people saying there cars are faster then others...I was just lauging cuz a guy in the CL forum was racing mustang GT's and G37 and beating them with his Accord..LOL...
Its just so funny that some of these "kids" get nice cars from there mommy and daddy and drive in the fast lane passing everybody up and think there racing and beating them ..lol i LOVE THESE THREADS THEY ARE SOO ENTERTAINING!
Its just so funny that some of these "kids" get nice cars from there mommy and daddy and drive in the fast lane passing everybody up and think there racing and beating them ..lol i LOVE THESE THREADS THEY ARE SOO ENTERTAINING!
you okay there buddy?
07-21-2009, 02:10 PM
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heard this too. I think its due to the extra bracing that is required in the coupes longer doors in order to keep safety ratings up. Adds 100-200 lbs.
07-21-2009, 02:11 PM
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You all suck... I'll beat you all! You slow ass bastards!
A ridiculous thread, again.
A ridiculous thread, again.
