EmuMessenger

Hello all.

We have received confirmation of 270HP for the new TL.

No torque numbers have been released.

How does everyone feel about this?

It seems like everyone was expecting numbers closer to 300.

The rumors are saying same engine and about the same torque rating.

Opinions please....

sixspdbrd

For me, thats the reason that I am going to wait for the '05 in hopes of the type-s version. I love the looks and interior of the new TL, but only 10 more horsepower? I hope that the 270 number is not correct and it ends up being 280+. we'll see.

EmuMessenger

I also hope it is wrong. According to some, the new TSX brochures started arriving at dealerships and it was listed in the back, along with 265HP for the MDX.

paultl

is the new TL heavier?

neuronbob

It's only 10 HP for you Type-S owners...for us TL-P owners it's a 45 hp increase, as good as putting a Comptech supercharger on our engine!

OTOH, maybe I should be trading up to an '03 TL-S....

Airdog

i am disappointed now i need to reconsider the new S4.

first no AWD, now the same engine? WTF:wow:

Airdog

By the way EMU, where did u get the info? did i miss something?

doopstr

You guys act like 270 isn't enough power for a 4 door luxury family sedan. That's pretty funny considering I think the 225 is plenty.

That 270 is sure going to give granny a big surprise.

EmuMessenger

It was first spotted in the new TSX brochures, but someone has since received the RSX brochure and it also confirms the numbers.

j-maverick

270 is not bad for a premium model. I'm almost sure that a Type S version will be around 300hp, but we have to wait about a year or two.

Currently the MDX has a SOHC vtec 3.5L that puts out
260hp at 5700
250 lb-ft at 3500-5000 with a 5sp Auto Box. The gearing alot better than our current TL/CL automatics

I can bet that the premium TL will have
270hp at 6100
250lb-ft at 3500-5000
With a better geared 5sp Automatic (4th should be better) If not, they really messed up

I like the Exterior more than my G35.
Interior is nice.....especially the ebony. Way better than my G35.

Tires should be nice for a premium model. Its nice to see Acura with a decent tire size for a change.

Car is a home run.......expect we need to see the WEIGHT AND THE GEARING for the tranny.

From what I remember, this car should be a bit smaller than current. If this holds true, maybe they can keep around the same weight of 3500lbs.

6.0 0-60 and 14.5 for automatics
5.7 0-60 and 14.2 for the 6sp. Maybe lower, if traction can be helped by a LSD....keep your finger cross...

Please acura, make the Types AWD and i'll stop looking at FX35, Lexus Rx330, Volvo s70 R

squirreljr

Wait for the torque specs. Maybe if they did it right and raised the numbers a good amount, that will make a big difference in the acceleration we all would like. Then it would be a matter getting it to the ground. Oh well!!!!

EmuMessenger

Word has it, the engine will still have the 3.2l displacement and the torque will remain close to the same.

JML

The dealer I went to stated he was sure the 2004 TL will be at least 275HP and a 3.4 Liter Engine. How would anyone know better then the Acura dealer themselves??:wow:

unlemming

I trust a dealer about as far as I could throw the new 04 TL.:wow:

JML

Tracer

Maybe the real goodies will come on the Type-S or maybe, just maybe a Type-R ..

For the rest.. 270hp .. isn't bad .. personally i am not one of those people who needs a 1500hp V16 in my TL

Tracer

fsttyms1

270 is alot considering the base tl right now only has 225. and as far as rumors go thats all they are till we see proof from acura. im sure they wont dissapoint us with a typs s version with more power.

Ken1997TL

270 hp is the official number but from my experiences with Honda, they underrate their cars. I have confirmed info that the new TL has around 283 hp at the flywheel. Thats a lot, more than enough for most of us. The fact that a 6 speed manual is available should satisfy most of the speed freaks here.

As far as "because my dealer said so", most are completely ignorant of their own products. How do I know? I've worked for Honda as a salesman, most don't know anything other than what the brochures tell you.

2003 tl-s

270 won't be much of a jump up for former Type S owners, but for the majority of new TL buyers, it will be plenty. I personally will wait for the Type S version - hopefully with a real LSD to handle all that horsepower.

Airdog

EMU - Remember that guy Jason from the TSX board who seemed to have accurate info (maybe he worked for Acura R&D?). Maybe he has some insight in to this matter. Do you want to post this on the other board for his feedback?

Dirk Diggler

270 is great for a premium model. Considering the '03 NSX has only 290hp from a 3.2l DOHC, I think the TL is doing fine. It's keeping up or is ahead of the competition in hp numbers, price, quality, and value. It will sell like gangbusters, no question.

And being only 10hp more than the '03 Type S, we don't feel so bad about just buying our cars months before the new one comes out. The old model holds its own against the new one all things considered, and the new one competes in todays market place. I think Acura is making a good move.

Dirk Diggler.

Monte TLS,MAX

Well said its just like the 04 vs. the 03 Maxima, I dunno why some guys were expecting such a horsepower jump 270 hp is plenty its still 5 ahead of Maxima but it still might be short in the torque compared to the Max which it always has when the specs are announced just like the 03 Max vs the 03 TLS. Who knows if the car will be faster the trend is for cars to gain a few horsepower/torque a few hundred pounds as well, so most likely the car will not be any faster than the current TLS if it gains weight. I am just speaking from the current trends and from REALITY!

t-rd

Slap on an intake and exhaust and that 300HP shouldn't be a problem. :p

Edward'TLS

If the '04 TL's engine size remains at 3.2L, it will definately be short in torque compared with the Max's 3.5L. In the engine torque department, engine displacement wins it all, unless forced induction is used.

EmuMessenger

I would be thrilled to see a number of 250 ft-lbs or higher.

vandy786

Short on torque can be a good thing for the TL. Nobody likes torque-steer. If they can get the new TL to be faster than the current TLS, I'll be happy. It would also then be automatically faster than a 2004 Maxima.

desert_jt

I just picked up a TSX brochure from the Acura dealer this past weekend - went in looking for information on the 04 TL, but they didn't have. I could swear that in the very back of the brochure where they list all the 04 Acura models, it listed the 04 TL and a quick blurb that said it will have 280 HP - no mention of torque. I will double-check again tonight and let you know if it says differently. 280 HP stuck in my mind because that was the information I was looking for.

nick79

http://www.edmunds.com/future/2004/a...enav..1.Acura*

EmuMessenger

Same link on three threads.

It matches the many threads dedicated to HP.

If someone now has a brochure showing 280, let's please see some scans!

desert_jt

I apologize for the mistake I made in saying the TSX brochure I recently picked up showed 280 HP for the 04 TL. I double-checked it and it indicates ** 270 HP **.

pianoman41

Brochure from Northeast Acura (Albany, NY) shows it as 275 HP.

EmuMessenger

Great, let's see a scan please!

nick79

so that meets us half way. 270 and 280 guesses. HEHE

275 would be nice.


any1 know the weight of the 2004TL

EmuMessenger

Has anyone seen this scan?

AcuraAddict

Its on A-TSX

sweetride01

I think that 5.7 0-60 is rather ambitious. Of course it depends on gearing, but my friend's 540i 6-speed w/a lightweight V-8 producing 282hp and 324 ft-Ibs of torque supposedly gives a 0-60 time of 6.0 secs, and that is with full throttle and NO wheelspin (it is impossible b/c of the good tires).