ac08odl

is there a big big difference in pick up??

AirJordan23922

I have not driven both, but i'd imagine so
otherwise there'd be no point in the two versions
besides suspension upgrades , im no help lol

ac08odl

lol i was really close to trading my 08 tl for a 08 type s but something told me dont do it lol

blazinginder

there's a difference...but (to me) not big enough to warrant the hit you'd be taking on ur trade in just to go from TL --> to +S

ESBY

I drove both when I bought my Type S last summer. The base TL rides noticeably smoother than the Type S. The only acceleration difference I noticed was when I really stepped into the throttle.
There's a big difference in the handling, though!

dope!

iTrader: (28)

i was ready to trade in my 05 base TL for an 08tls...not THAT big of a difference..its a damn good car but i guess i expected too much.

08WDP

Before i got my 08 TL-S WDP, i test the base TL as well, i wanted a more sporty feel ride, Navi, backup camera, brembo, quad exhaust, carbon trims, better bolster seat, better looking wheels. and then i took it out for test drive, i like the pickup in the TLS and the brake feels more "solid" when im coming from a quick stop. then i look at the price, 2000 dollars = everything i listed above. Then i was sold on the Type S.

juruki

iTrader: (2)

All those differences make up the 2k price difference

flydog

I think the difference is huge especially in light of the minor price difference. It is noticeably faster and it handles much better. Also, you can't beat the Brembos for stopping power. I imagine the resale value will be much better too. About the only think I don't like are the hideous gray wheels.

blipszyc

For me, I think the Type-S has much more "fun" acceleration than the base. Of course I also got the MT, so I can play with the gears a bit too. I do miss the RWD of my previous cars, but the Type-S is fun to drive. I too hate those gray wheels.

Now if you already have a base and were just planning on upgrading, I'd at least wait and see what the '09s are going to look like.

lenjaiah

iTrader: (5)

+1

they loan me a 06 base - when i got onto the highway... i said to myself. "thank god i got the type s"

ac08odl

ty what kinda gas you guys running on....

csmeance

In my opinion, very little difference in pickup, but there is a bigger difference in the way the car drives, sounds and feels.

ac08odl

rub it in moreeee.......... lol

princelybug

iTrader: (16)

Driven both. Type-S does have a noticeable upper-hand on pick-up. The difference is 28bhp. That is what you pay for, along with the other amenities that come with the top-of-the-line unit. 28bhp for $2K is a HUGE bargain. Period. For anybody who debates between base and Type-S. It's a no-brainer. Not even a question. EVERY TIME.

subbuzz

went to buy a tl-p (test drove it) then tested a tl-s for shit's and giggles (wasn't interested cuz I hated the red/rims) the rest is history.................

ac08odl

doesnt the type s only have 16 hp more and not 28 cause from what i herd on this site the o8 tl is 270 they just say 258 for some reason

Manual Transmission

ac08odl, you got some catch up to do.

The regular TL used to be measured at 270 hp. It's now 258. There is no change in physical power. The Type-S is now rated at 286 hp. 286 - 258 = what is it? I don't have the calculator. Somebody please help!!

Manual Transmission

and it's not just hp. There is a fair-some amount of increase in torque, which is very importantly.

But the final result in performance between the two are pretty small. Generally the 0-60 you get about 0.2~ 0.3 sec. Similar result at the quarter mile.

Manual Transmission

I own the '06 TL 6MT. I have beat quite a few '07 Type-S AT cars, both in 0-60 and triple digit speeds.

So if you want to get some serious powa, get the 6MT. It's more of the matter 6MT vs. 5AT rather than regular trim TL vs. Type-S.


The more of benefit you get from the Type-S is the handling/cornering. It uses factory sport-tuned suspension setup and stiffer springs. It uses solid anti-roll bar. It also comes with bigger discs and Mr. Brembo..... the regular trim 6MT uses Brembo also, and use "thicker" anti-roll bar which handles better than the regular trim TL 5AT.



JUST DON'T BUY 5AT. 5AT IS YOUR ENEMY!!!! poor handling and poor acceleration. I feel so good sprinting from 100~ 130 mph in no time. Tight gear ratios on the 6MT my friend..


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ac08odl

so you sayin a 05 tl will take a 08 tl? ty MT but on the other hand i dont drive stick i think i would kill my self im always in traffic.

Manual Transmission

Here is a run down in acceleration performance from best to worst:


Type-S 6MT > Regular 6MT > Type-S 5AT > Regular 5AT




In terms of handling:

Type-S 6MT > Type-S 5AT = Regular 6MT > Regular 5AT



There is about 0.1~ 0.2 sec difference in the quarter mile between Type-S 6MT and Regular 6MT.

Regular 6MT spanks the crap out of the Type-S 5AT in the quarter mile.

Type-S 5AT is a lilly bit quicker than the Regular 5AT in the quarter mile.


GET THE 6MT.



*laughin my fanny off*

Manual Transmission

To be precise, the Type-S 5AT should still edge out the Regular 6MT slightly, in *handling*. The suspension and steering is still slightly better. But when it comes to acceleration, eh eh, no.


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ac08odl

im lost still but ok

MRP Pete

I've gone from my TL-S to a base TL loaner. The base one is zzzzzzzzz. Even just sitting in it w/o driving, the base one is zzzzzzzz.

shooter

I drove both before I pulled the trigger on a type-s last year ... to me it's def. worth the extra $$ ... the perf. & cosmetic upgrades from the base will keep me happy for a few more years ....

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

The 3G Garage is a great place for noobs to look at:

https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/you-know-youre-balla-when-129954/

spiike

I agree, whenever I get a loaner I think to myself "I'm glad I got the type-S." It's the little things that make the type s better stock for stock. A lil more torque, better handling, and better seats (I have back problems and immediately noticed the diff).

Of course if you got the regular you can mod it to be better than the TL-S, and get the supercharger to make it faster.

BukvaMan

newcomers !!!

KeithL

I have owned both, not a huge differecnt, but the TL-S seems to accelerate a big smoother with less effort. The engine, and exhaust tuning and such the TL-S actually always feels like it is working less then the base TL drive train. The extra 2k buys you a bunch of things, and one could argue if you feel it is worth $2K more, I surely feel it is, but woudl have been happier if they would have bumped up the stock ELS or soemthing on the interior in the Type-S., I love my Type-S, best damn car I have ever owned., and I have owned FIVE, yes FIVE 3G TL/TL-S

Bearcat94

The way HP is measured changed.

Before the change the Acura 3.2L TL was rated at 270 HP.

After the change the exact same car/engine was rated at 258 HP.


The new measurements are better standardized so that HP comparisions are more apples-to-apples.

The Base TL, under the new system is 258 HP; the 3.5L TL-S, also under the new system is 286. 28HP difference.

BTW - all HP is measured at the Crankshaft. Wheel HP is usually ~15% - 20% lower.

Bearcat94

I'm not sure that things are so cut-and-dried.

Here is some published data:

Road & Track 2007 TL-S, 6MT: 0-60 = 5.7 sec; 1/4 Mile = 14.3 @ 99.9

Road & Track 2004 TL A-Spec, 6MT: 0-60 = 6.2 sec; 1/4 Mile = 14.8



Lightly Modded Member Posted Times (more highly modded TL's are faster):

SleeperPnoy04 TL-S; 6MT - 1/4 Mile = 14.14 @ 98.56 - (Short ram intake//stock resonator delete)

Bearcat94 TL-S, 5AT - 1/4 Mile = 14.37 @ 97.12 (P2R TB Spacer//H&R Sports//Stock AS Tires)


Stock (AFAIK) Posted Elsewhere (http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura--TL-Drag-Racing.html) :

2005 TL, 5AT - 1/4 Mile = 14.59 @ 96.8
2004 TL, 5AT - 1/4 Mile = 14.78 @ 94.4


I know there are a lot of variables and probably more data out there, but based on this it looks like the 1/4 miles are:

TL-S 6MT > TL-S 5AT > TL 6MT > TL 5AT

I also think the 0-60 of the TL 6MT (6.2 sec) is VERY close the TL-S 5AT 0-60. Unfortunately finding reliable 0-60 times on the AT is difficult.

Manual Transmission

I know you own the TL-S AUTO so you are defending my posts but.... it's the truth, the regular trim 6MT is clearly faster than the TL-S Auto in ALL range of accelerations.

Yes, you can make a regular trim 6MT go 0-60 in 6.2 sec and quarter in 14.8 if you leave the VSA On and parking break jacked up. You can take a Ferrari Enzo to take off from 0-60 in 7 sec and 17 sec in quarter mile. It depends on the driver and your willingness to WOT and change gear and clutch at right speeds/rpm. Hell, I can take my TL 6MT to take off 0-60 in 9 sec and quarter in 20 sec..... See the drift?



The drag racing times are generally much better because many of those drivers well prepped their car, and most of them are MODDED. Don't even try to tell me the regular trim 5AT versions do 14.59 in the quarter stock. It might be possible if you take the car down hill at 40 degree angle. That is not possible without some major mods.


I have also raced with a few TL Type-S 5AT and beat them everytime.


The regular trim TL 6MT is capable of 0-60 in 5.7 sec and 14.2 sec in quarter mile. That is stock. There is no way in hell a Type-S 5AT stock do quarter in 14.2 sec. If you get 15 sec then consider yourself great.



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Manual Transmission

I think I was a little too harsh on you in my previous post. Let's make that to 14.8 sec for the Type-S AUTO in the quarter mile. How's that. Feel a little better?

Manual Transmission

Bearkat, let me re-examine your quote.
I remember reading you posted that drag time in the Racing Stories section on this forum. I have heard that the track you have run your car is really good. Many drivers were getting great result from that track, which is helping your time as well. I remember you also removed the spare tire from the trunk. You removed the floormats as well. Those floormats weigh a ton!! Everything counts, which of course smart thing you did. So you definitely know the weight reduction is very important. Even with your mod, reduced weight, nicely prepped track, the regular trim 6MT is still faster in the quarter.... and beyond that speed. The 6MT traps high speeds in the quarter too.


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Manual Transmission

Precisely, and very reasonably, the Type-S 5AT should do 14.8 sec in the quarter mile.

The reason why you don't see TL/Type-S AT acceleration numbers in the reviews is because the Auto tranny on the TL cars are severely handicapped by their increased weight and most importantly, tall gear ratios and with 1 gear missing. The performance is much worse than the 6MT version that's why they don't post the numbers for the AT. Also the AUTO tranny takes away more power from the engine due to torque converter. The Type-S AT weighs nearly 3700 lbs too, which is too heavy. I think it's 3670 lbs to be precise..... Not good.


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Manual Transmission

If you want to improve your Type-S AT in acceleration you need to at least take out those factory wheels(they are not heavy, but ain't the greatest) and put on some high-performance carbon fiber or magnesium wheels. Those are super-light. Remove the rear seats. Remove the spare tire and all its tools. Remove the engine cover and empty out the windshield washer fluid. Washer fluid weighs a ton! You need to do some diet. 140 lbs would be perfect. Avoid eating junk food and have small amount of meal 3~ 4 times a day. Never skip meals!!! No Coke!


You know... my TL 6MT is so fast and light that even the latest model BMW 535xi couldn't take me when he was chasing my ass from 50mph~ 100+. I was pulling from him slowly, actually. That BMW driver got so embarrassed that he stayed far back and didn't get near me after what happened. He thought that since my TL is the standard version and assumed that mine is an AUTO. So he thought he could smoke me. I was like laughin' my fanny off.... Oh man...


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08 wdp type s

i say u trade in ur base model and get the type s i own a 08 type s and i know it got a lil more get up but its the whole feature of the type s that is the shiet haha ....if u want all the show features go with type s ..

Bearcat94

I think we're getting a little off topic here. And we're both interested in having the *best* car - it's human nature.

In general, there is a lack of sufficient data to absolutely prove either arguement.

1. - There are too many variables in self-reported times/trials/races;

2. - There is little or no open source published info on the Auto's;

3. - The published open source info on times year-to-year, trim-to-trim or source-to-source are run under different conditions.


Suffice to say I am not 100% convinced. Drop by The Rock and we'll have a run-off - best 3 of 5.

BUT I do think ANYONE with a TL (Base, MT, TL-S, whatever) has got one hell of a nice car.

BEAR-AvHistory

One of the members here has posted official time slips for his TL/6MT. Its lightly modded with a CAI etc & he was running 13.9's.

Don't remember the speed but it was around 100mph.