F23A4

When a car is modded, all bets are off; especially in the case of the IS300 with its 2JZGE motor.

HuKaShI

This all happened between the beginning of Greenwich and all the way up to 39.

I work in Norwalk so I got off at 39 with my tail between my legs.

TheTriads

and I'm sure my 2004 Acura TL can BEAT any stock M3 that's 1997 and before.

ASPEC05

hahah okay im gonna bring some m3 guys from bimmerforums.com
they will find tou and race u and make ur car look like a suv.

ASPEC05

Dude u are smoking something bc u did not own a M3. My M was an auto and off the line the TL will kill it because well the one i have now is a 6spd and has more hp. As for the GS, dude those things are fat. We hit a corner hard and I kept on going while he had to slow down. I put the car on sport mode and the race was over. Sure on a straight awy that car would kil me, but this is like saying a cobra mustang would kill a porsche on a darg race but in a track, boy no competion. So know your info b4 u post. At least i have witnessed them all.

TheTriads

Watch this kid ^ brings a 2005 M3 and post in the M3 forums that I stated I can beat any M3s.

1997 and before stock, I can take that. I may not smoke it, but I can definite take that.

F23A4

The E36 M3 debuted for MY1995; the slowest of which was the sedan 4AT which ran upper 14s and, the quickest of which was the coupe 5MT at 14-flat (@ 100mph).

The M3s prior had the E30 chassis and whose powertrain was a 190hp 2.3L 4 cylinder.......a 3G TL should have no problem with a stock one.

ASPEC05

1997 and down? Do u know ur facts? 1996-1999 are the same body, engine, torque, hp, etc. Check the stats man, even a sedan M3 would beat an acura TL a-spec. Whats with me brining a 2005 M3? When did i say that, what are u talking about? Of course a e46 would kill a TL. Now ur smoking

RUF87

I guess you just lost a bet.

The guy just launched to hard and couldn't catch me in time . . . .

The others were autos . . .

Ruf

F23A4

Ummm..yeah.....I believe I was responding to traidsganster's post:

To wit, years progress chronogically in most cultures where 1995 and 1996 proceed in that order and are succeeded by 1997. In the context of the 1997 M3, the 1997 model year references the E36 M3 which debuted in the 1995 model year and carried through to the 1999 model year.

In conjunction with that, I've pretty much asserted that with similar tranny's the E36 M3 should beat the 3G TL.

RUF87

As you can see, the results posted for the M3 can vary a couple of 10ths. The ranges I recall are 14.0 to 14.4. That puts the M3 within less than a 1/2 sec . . . a number that is easily overcome on the street.

http://www.fast-autos.net/bmw/bmwm3.html

Again, I'm not comparing track stats to that of real world head-to-head street or track racing, and all the variables that come with it. My personal times are easily within 1/2 second of these M3s . . . and if the driver or the car I'm facing isn't ready for the action . . . as a result I'm betting they will lose more often than I lose. So far I'm 3 for 3 . . . not saying I can't be beat . . . I just haven't so far.

Ruf

TLOBLLC

Hmm. Let's see. ASPEC is claiming to be 19 years old, has previously owned an auto M3 and now owns a $40k Aspec TL and is now dissing TLs vs BMWs.

First let me say that a 19 y.o. has no business owning any car over $20k. Its called: s.p.o.i.l.e.d. Try working for a living, supporting kids, holding down a mortgage, then making your car payments and call us back. TLs are cars kids should aspire to, not ones they can actually afford.

Furthermore, coming onto an Acura TL forum and telling us that TL's don't perform is inviting yourself for abuse. So suck it up or go home to mommy.

ASPEC05

Eh, have u every thought about the possiblilty that the TL is not my car but my fathers? I think ur the one who needs love The M3 was purchased with my money though. It was under 20k andi just cant stand ppyl saying that their car is fast when it's not. Besides, spoiled or not, i got into UPENN and got a full ride, but got into yale but with no scholarship. I enrolled at
PENN. Now talk about spoiled. I just saved them amost 200 grands. I thikn I deserve a car, dont u think?

ASPEC05

so let to just apologize on my part (insulting the furious TL owners) but for anyone who wants to race stock 97 M3s, give me a pm I will find the cars u can race. Until i get to race one, i dont thinik i will be convinced that the aspec is faster tha nthe M3. Dont be hating man. Some kids own M3s and new S4s. Its all about where u live. BTW we have the car leased, so now you look stupid for saying what u said about me before. Lease dosnt cost too much money. I got 18.5 K for my M3 and still have some money left after giveing dad part of the lease cost

RUF87

sigh . . . my TLS may not be the fastest thing out there, but any car running 14s is fast. Don't think so, go research how many cars run 14s or better, and then see where it ranks in terms of percentile.

Also, I have yet to lose to a 3 series. At last count I own over 12 kills, 3 of those kills are against M3 E36s.

Oh, I forgot this was an Acura vs Lexus kill thread . . . those faster GS400s and SC430s taste good too! for the

Ruf

ASPEC05

oh well it wasnt that much interesting anyways. BTW is it possilbe to put the MDX engine on the TL? im just thiniking if engine swaps are possible.

ASPEC05

WHo cares, lexus are too expensive anyways. the question you should ask is for that money, do i realy want to get an old man's car? ALthough the new GS looks fine. Firest year of all wheel drive, i wouldnt get it though

RUF87

Well, you don't want to do the whole engine swap. Search the threads for typeR, he has a 3.5 upgrade that I'd love to have. Then I'd be picking on the E46 M3s . . couldn't resist that . . . . peace

The last I heard he is running low 13s . . . without NOS, SC or turbo . . .

Ruf

ASPEC05

wow that great but i dont really want my TL to be a super fast car. I just dont htink the car is meant to be like that. BUt then again who dosnt like a little speed? I would do the following mods though: SSK, Intake, may be sway bar, and i wanna save up enough moneyu in the summer and tint the car and get an enhaust system. But then again there isnt a long list of things to mod on the TL...

RUF87

You may see it as an old mans car, but some of us are :killer:

I looked at the M3s back in 1998 and test drove one . . . , but it didn't work out for what I needed at the time. I also was real close to getting 2002 3 series, and was holding out for the 330i, but $12k more for the options I wanted vs the TLS and well here I am . . . So I don't hate them . . . I really them, but not for that much more money.

Ruf

RUF87

It's really not . . . but some of us are just motorheads and enjoy seeing what we can get out of what we have . . . . another reason why a Bimmer would kill me . . . $12k more out of the box and I'd be modding it too . . . .

Then there are guys with SCs and turbos . . . and NOS rockets like mattg . . . I think the faster one here is Allmotor with his custom turbo . . . I think he's running 12s with street tires . . and possibly in to the 11s with some slicks . . . so there are some really fast CL/TLs out there.

Ruf

ASPEC05

yeah sure but are they 3rd gens? Active Auto made a 700 some hp M coupe. I mean that thing is smoking fast...but then again all jap cars can be modded to be extremely fast. Is that why jap cars are ricey? However the 3rd gen TL is perfect. Good luxury but good speed too.

ASPEC05

yeah but believe me, i truly miss the way the M could handle. Even though it was an auto, the sound and the hitting the corners hard was so much fun...

RUF87

Carefull with the slang . . .

Also, there's always a faster car . . . and a 700 HP M3 is just chop liver to something more serious than that . . . there are 4-banger Hondas that will eat that 700hp M3s lunch . . . VW bugs as well . . . I know I got killed by a Bug in my 64SS.

Ruf

ASPEC05

yeah but he is still driving a M home while the other guy is driving a honda home. WOuld driver would u rather be? LOL the ricer slang is used quite freq on the bmw forums. It just grew on me.

ASPEC05

ask ur self this question. Would u rather drive a porsche carreara S (or 4s ) or the suburu WRX STI? I say fu*k the speed. I would rather drive a porsche.

RUF87

of course money not being an issue I'd drive something else . . . say a nice ZL1 Camaro for starters or a TT427 Vette . . . all sorts of goodies out there . . but some of us don't have it or have other things that rank higher on the want factor . . . I've had my 2 cars and a boat when I was 20 . . . now I got a family . . wife stays home . . . kids play club sports . . . etc etc . . . so I drive a TLS vs a BMW . . . or a nice Muscle car

Ruf

ASPEC05

i found that the TL is bigger than my dad's 05 e60 530. At least more roomy. Obv that thing is bigger. THe new 5 series are pigs

ou sig

I thought you said the TL was your dad's ride?

ASPEC05

Well...i paid more than half for it. I mean it is under his name so i guess technically its his ride...

F23A4

....this thread has become a floater circling the drain.

ASPEC05

yeah, dont read it then. u are just prolonging it

TLOBLLC

Let's get this straight. 19 year olds don't have the credit for a lease. You paid for half the dp on a lease for 'your dad's' TL and he's making the monthly payments since its in his name, but you seem to have the rights to mod it and drive it? Sounds like daddy is leasing a $40k car for you.
Congratulations on your scholarship. Thinking you deserve a reward for not extorting 200 grand out of your parents that they didn't have to spend defines spoiled. Rewards are earned, gifts are not. Many people pay their own way through school.

Imagine what your real life salary would be out of college and how much you will have left over after expenses to pay off 200 grand. Not sending you to Yale is a solid business decision.... Unless you go work for daddy after you graduate.

Plus I'm thinking that someone with a full ride to PENN should be able to avoid obvious flaws in grammar such as, 'I thikn'

SnappyPappy

Better bone up on that English dude - term papers at Upenn require good syntax and a spell checker. . . Internet English won't get it. I like the reference to how much you saved the folks . . .Lol - get a job - work yer way through college and 'really' make us proud!!! Now to your main subject of whooping up on BMW M3's. I suppose if you get an old enough worn out BMW M3, you could win a race with a brand new TL. However, in my mind when bragging about trouncing another Marque one would at least have the courtsey to SAY it was a much older car. We think/s when one races it is current auto against current auto. In which my original statement still stands. You are dreaming or having a brain fart to think you can out do a current M3 from any race condition, lest a 10 car head start in which he'd still catch you in short order. Them things are beasties!!! NOT to mention the new versions heading our way with a 400hp; V8 installed. Even the dreaded E55 amg's will shudder!

ASPEC05

Alright, first here's the deal. The car was bought under my dad's name but I was the one who gave him the money. I had 20 some thousand dollars on my band account and I transfered the balance to my dad's account. If you know my dad, he dosn't pay me for shit. He dosn't even change the grip on my golf clubs for me If you really don't know what's going on then don't say anything.

ASPEC05

Um, okay professors this isn't like an official college essay. Why do you take those things so seriously. Obviously I proved that I am a far better writer than the average by getting into PENN

ASPEC05

Just one more thing: and that is the truth. The lease is under my dad's name (duh I said the car is registered under his name) but the money came out of my pocket

F23A4

....now that we've got THAT out the way,.....

TLOBLLC

Your story keeps changing. Seems like your dad is helping you out on getting a car and you're treating the old man like a bitch.

Nope. You are confusing PENN with 'pen'. Your writing skills are only proven by GRADUATING with an English degree.

PS. We're only tormenting you because its so much fun.

TheTriads

^ agree

, as I said before, if you have a friend who owns a 1996 BMW M3 "stock" , I'd be glad to show you my modded ASPEC TL is quicker.

reasons why : 1997 BMW M3 is fast with 240hp, lighter and a very nice car. BUT, they're older, abused and been 8 years. I can take that no problem, now a 2005 M3, no way.

Going to UPENN getting a full ride doesn't justify you deserve a car, as a matter of fact. It doesn't really matter to any of us. You're 19, so you're telling us you graduated from UPENN at age 19? I went to Rutgers Camden just across the river from UPENN and I'm sure you're not any more intelligent than I am. I know one thing that's been on fellow TL owners mind and I'll say it here for all of us.

GET A TL or don't come on and try to put down our cars. You might have a TL, but that's your "daddy's car", get a car (TL or M3) then we can talk about racing. Otherwise, you're just a bystander.

You know, haha... you're like a basketball fan and we're basketball players. You trying to trash talk us but you're not even on the court.

nuff said

Don't take it to heart