Friendly fun with the 370z
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Staying OT, how have you liked the LGT? I'm replacing my wife's mint 98 LGT wagon and replacing it with a 2007-2010 Outback. She doesn't care about power and would be fine with the NA H4. That would be fine for me, but the XTs sure look nice and same with the H6. I also like that the XT/3.0R come with the JATCO 5AT found in my G. The NA H4s come with the old school 4EAT. I've been avoiding the XTs because it seems like the turbo has it's issues, especially with the inline oil filter to the turbo. Apparently it can get clogged and starve the turbo of oil. Lots of XT owners also report driveability issues such as stumbling, random CELs, etc. Are the problems as widespread as reported?
i've got 105k on the clock and have been soliciting everywhere from 50 to over 100 excess whp/tq since ~35k or so -- (my last big power bump was ~80k) and i haven't had any serious issues -- granted it's my custom to do a turbo upgrade every 25k or so (just as preventative maintenance of course ). needless to say i have been very happy overall with how it's performed/held up.
when i pulled my stock turbo ~50k (after 20k or so of max boost @ stg. 2), it was running perfectly. inspection showed a bit of stress typical to older ihis, but still solid enough to punt along; afaik it is still chugging away in another car to this day. some guys get well into the 100k on the stock unit, some fail earlier; my philo has been why push it? sell the old to buy the new, and let the ft/lbs roll.
the oil feed line issue you mention is more of a paranoia thing imho. however, it is an easy remedy -- there is simply a banjo filter to pull if you wish to remove the inner screen; i for one have not, since i follow a pretty standard dino oci despite the mods, and every time i've checked my filter was virgin.
as for the # of failures, it's definitely not something to push you off of the car. and if you were to fall into that small unfortunate margin, depending on the nature, turbo replacement can be a pretty cheap fix most of the time.
as i understand it the 'stumbling' or 'stuttering' is a product of shitty stock throttle mapping of certain MYs. if i ever had any of it (and i don't recall any), it was gone with my first reflash.
i have never heard any significant reports of random cels; this car is pretty stingy with the cels, basically if you get one, it comes along with a good reason.
concerns i'd have picking up a used xt are mileage and of course previous mods/flogging/maintenance. it's been demonstrated that you can not tq brake this trans, period -- if it even smelled like the last guy did it once i wouldn't touch the car. also a few head gaskets are popping up on some of the ej255s getting on in miles -- not epidemic like the older gens, but not unheard of either. and our pistons notoriously won't handle a bad tune, so these are probably the big things to consider of these cars' previous lives before you pull the trigger.
hope that helps some
again, apologies sonnick for the tangent
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As some of you may know, my friend just recently got a red 370z 6MT. He's been driving it as much as he can to break it in (currently around 1100 miles...). Let me tell you, this thing is SEXY in person, and he has already bought the Stillen intakes lol. He hasn't installed them yet because it's a PITA job, but he will.
On to the fun...he finally had enough miles for us to play around, so we did a little bumping and grinding
1st attempt: We started from a low 1st gear roll, ~10mph. 3 honks and we're off. Even through 1st, 2nd I gain a fender and 3rd I pull to where he is on my bumper. 4th gear he starts to creep back and we shut it down. Wow!!
2nd attempt: Dig. I get the better launch and he is at my bumper at the top of 4th.
3rd attempt: 20 roll. 1st gear is even, 2nd gear I creep, 3rd creep a little more, 4th gear he is on my bumper.
He is completely stock with 1100 miles (VQs get stronger as they progress) and had a passenger. No he is not a bad driver. Yes, I was shifting like a DSG transmission
On to the fun...he finally had enough miles for us to play around, so we did a little bumping and grinding
1st attempt: We started from a low 1st gear roll, ~10mph. 3 honks and we're off. Even through 1st, 2nd I gain a fender and 3rd I pull to where he is on my bumper. 4th gear he starts to creep back and we shut it down. Wow!!
2nd attempt: Dig. I get the better launch and he is at my bumper at the top of 4th.
3rd attempt: 20 roll. 1st gear is even, 2nd gear I creep, 3rd creep a little more, 4th gear he is on my bumper.
He is completely stock with 1100 miles (VQs get stronger as they progress) and had a passenger. No he is not a bad driver. Yes, I was shifting like a DSG transmission
However the 1st gen G35 vehicles are completely junk and slow.. you can beat them easily.
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True. But we all know the MS3's demon powers can make anything go fast all it needs to do is take out the boost cut and give some of its demon powers to the other car. But you know this already
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Modded 7th gen Accord V6 manual has no chance against the 370z if both drivers are good. He would have smoked you if raced from dig. From roll he will have the advantage also. There's no comparison.
However the 1st gen G35 vehicles are completely junk and slow.. you can beat them easily.
However the 1st gen G35 vehicles are completely junk and slow.. you can beat them easily.
If you read my post, you would know he weighs about 250 and had a 200lb passenger. I tip the scales @ 150. With 370s dynoing in the 270-280whp range, it makes perfect sense considering I dyno'd @ 255. Take into account both cars weigh the same without passengers. Yet add 250+200 = 450lbs in his car. The difference is 300lbs. That would account for about 2-3 cars. He was on my bumper. Without his passenger he would still have about 100 more lbs in the car than I do, and should be about 1 car length ahead from 1st to the top of 4th.
He is a good driver, the weight difference is the only reason I pulled. It makes sense, especially considering gearing is very similar.
AND...just to be sure. I had another run with a 370z 6MT before this one and he got a half second headstart and pulled about 3 cars. He was passengerless and about my size.
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Cute troll
Go back to the track! 106mph trap is very good! Too bad you need at least 108+ to beat an MS3
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Modded 7th gen Accord V6 manual has no chance against the 370z if both drivers are good. He would have smoked you if raced from dig. From roll he will have the advantage also. There's no comparison.
However the 1st gen G35 vehicles are completely junk and slow.. you can beat them easily.
However the 1st gen G35 vehicles are completely junk and slow.. you can beat them easily.
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sonnick, are you getting richies v3 jpipe by any chance? I forget if you have the v2 or v1 jpipe from him? i want to know if there is a difference between my atlp v2 jpipe/race pipe vs the rv6 v3 jpipe
whoa lol that's a lot of jpipes in my last statement!
sonnick, are you getting richies v3 jpipe by any chance? I forget if you have the v2 or v1 jpipe from him? i want to know if there is a difference between my atlp v2 jpipe/race pipe vs the rv6 v3 jpipe
whoa lol that's a lot of jpipes in my last statement!
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I have the V1. I hope to be getting the V3, but probably not until the fall. I think Richie dyno'd the ATLP V2 compared to his V3 and said the V3 dyno'd a bit more. You'd have to ask him though.
I know there's a big difference between the RV6 V1/2 and the V3. Sean said when he went from the RV6 to the ATLP it was night and day. So I can't imagine the V1 to V3!!
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Honestly with this heat and humidity down here right now its not worth going to the track...
I fear the mighty MS3.....
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Lol true. I like to dig too, I just don't get as many opportunities to. I get nervous at a light if I'm next to someone I think I'm gonna run. My adrenaline starts going nuts and I feel like I'm gonna mess up, although usually I don't launch too bad. All my really good launches seem to be when I'm just doing it for the hell of it
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And you cannot keep up with the 370z unless he was just cruising. You make it sound like your car is some super car or something. It's not. If driven right without the passengers he should pull you by multiple bus lengths.
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multiple bus lengths..
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I vote for ban..
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I vote for a ban as well.
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If you are referring to the 370z, no, it is a little faster than the stock MS3. 370z is an exception because it has very good gearing, unlike many others i.e. Honda Accord or TL.
And you cannot keep up with the 370z unless he was just cruising. You make it sound like your car is some super car or something. It's not. If driven right without the passengers he should pull you by multiple bus lengths.
And you cannot keep up with the 370z unless he was just cruising. You make it sound like your car is some super car or something. It's not. If driven right without the passengers he should pull you by multiple bus lengths.
And you're right, he was just cruising
Have you seen my dyno thread? 255whp with a steady increase to redline and a flat (while not abundant), torque curve. The 370s aren't very torquey due to their high revs, much like the HRs. My powerband planes off at about 6400RPM and stays even to the 6800 redline. The 370 revs to 7500 and I'm sure makes it's peak power around 7200.
Like I've said several times the 370 makes around 275whp stock. He had a 200lb passenger, which would simulate about a ~15whp difference. Same weight and similar gearing with similar power = good race.
Oh, and since you're always bashing the Accord/TL gearing and powerband, your 'beloved' MS3 hits peak power @ what, 5200RPM? Why is the redline so much higher if it was so flawlessly designed?
I'll even get it on video for ya pal. But by then, your stay at the 'AZine inn' might be over...If you'd like I could email it to you
You're also right about another thing...I think my Accord is a supercar. No, really.
I'm going to the track tomorrow. Hopefully I'll post some good times/ETs in my supercar.
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When I test drove the MS3, I did a couple highway pulls in 3rd gear .. at about 6000RPM felt like the turbos turned off.
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I'll start off by saying I believe you beat him...
The difference in weight between a 370 and a G37 is about 350 lbs.
Z- 0-60 in 4.7s, 13.3 @ 106 1/4
G- 0-60 in 5s, 13.5 @ 105 1/4 (I've seen better numbers than Motortrend's for both cars stock)
350 lbs does not make that big of a difference.
Nah, he needs a driver mod.
Different driver, different circumstances. However, even with an additional 350 lbs (or just 300), the result wouldn't have been that much different.
You beat your friend, not his car.
That's part of racing though. Anybody can buy/build a quick car, but can they drive it?
Nice kill.
The difference in weight between a 370 and a G37 is about 350 lbs.
Z- 0-60 in 4.7s, 13.3 @ 106 1/4
G- 0-60 in 5s, 13.5 @ 105 1/4 (I've seen better numbers than Motortrend's for both cars stock)
350 lbs does not make that big of a difference.
You beat your friend, not his car.
That's part of racing though. Anybody can buy/build a quick car, but can they drive it?
Nice kill.
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VQ powah is misleading because the powerband is so flat and long. My G felt a lot slower than my well modded 14.3@99mph 96 Maxima it replaced. I figured the G would do 14.7-14.8@95mph. On my 6th pass, my auto G did a 14.3@98mph with no power mods.
Sonnick- Your Accord better run 104mph in the heat or I'm going to have to say the Z needs a driver mod because even 3,600lb G37 sedans get 104mph traps
Sonnick- Your Accord better run 104mph in the heat or I'm going to have to say the Z needs a driver mod because even 3,600lb G37 sedans get 104mph traps
Very nice Sonnick! Can't wait to get some runs with you one day
Funny how MS3troll is so hung up on how fast his car is, but would get his doors blown off by my little granny car...
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But either way, the 370z can run 12s stock in the 1/4 and as high as 108 mph traps. Per the OPs sig, he runs no where near that. So either the guy can't drive, or the weight was a major factor in this. The 370z should easily beat any accord that IS NA without FI or NOS it shouldn't be a issue.
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Actually depends on the model. But the 2003-2004 350Z base was lighter than the 370z base.
But either way, the 370z can run 12s stock in the 1/4 and as high as 108 mph traps. Per the OPs sig, he runs no where near that. So either the guy can't drive, or the weight was a major factor in this. The 370z should easily beat any accord that IS NA without FI or NOS it shouldn't be a issue.
But either way, the 370z can run 12s stock in the 1/4 and as high as 108 mph traps. Per the OPs sig, he runs no where near that. So either the guy can't drive, or the weight was a major factor in this. The 370z should easily beat any accord that IS NA without FI or NOS it shouldn't be a issue.
The 370z IS faster. It was a matter of the big weight difference that there was in this particular situation. I will get a video for you guys. Hopefully it will be from the outside with no passengers. The outcome should be different.
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Yes, they can run 12s in PERFECT conditions with the best launch/shifting ever. My 1/4 time was with I/Jpipe and with a sem-decent 60'. Under perfect conditions my car could've went 13.7. With my new mods and a great DA/launch, should be 13.5 at least.
The 370z IS faster. It was a matter of the big weight difference that there was in this particular situation. I will get a video for you guys. Hopefully it will be from the outside with no passengers. The outcome should be different.
The 370z IS faster. It was a matter of the big weight difference that there was in this particular situation. I will get a video for you guys. Hopefully it will be from the outside with no passengers. The outcome should be different.
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I'll just say we all hope for the best with our cars. There's always "would have, could, should have", but the reality is most of us haven't. It's rare you get a perfect launch in perfect DA conditions. There's always something that doesn't quite work out. I know my G can go way quicker than 14.3s, but it hasn't yet. You could strap on 26" slicks to your Accord, yank a 1.8 60' and go 13.4s easy, but you haven't. Just saying.
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I'll just say we all hope for the best with our cars. There's always "would have, could, should have", but the reality is most of us haven't. It's rare you get a perfect launch in perfect DA conditions. There's always something that doesn't quite work out. I know my G can go way quicker than 14.3s, but it hasn't yet. You could strap on 26" slicks to your Accord, yank a 1.8 60' and go 13.4s easy, but you haven't. Just saying.
My friend texted me saying he ran his boy with an '09 WRX with E/DP/tune and was right next to him and gaining slightly at higher speeds. That's impressive. The VQ might have broken in a bit better now. That's ok, he made sure to say we are going to have a rematch haha.
Vasher I agree with you to a certain extent. However, 350lbs in the same car is a big difference. If you were to ride in any car with just a driver and you it's going to be much quicker than if you throw a 350lb person in the back seat. It's physics. Comparing the G37 to 370z, while good as it sounds, is not the same as comparing the same car in the same situation with 350lbs extra.
Monte...in my sig it says what mods I had for that run!! Oh, and I did go back and ran slower I'm so used to my car running in sea level or better conditions, that when it's hot it really hurts. No wonder I feel such a difference from night/daytime.
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