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Old 10-21-2006 | 03:39 PM
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my TL is my first MT car, so AZ and some of its more versed members have been invaluable in learning the ins and outs of driving a MT.

Beyond all the bitching and moaning, and you're wrong/i'm right, i am a believer that this forum should teach and be a source of information... which it is, but the info just seems to be too dispersed across the site.

So, to the mods, i ask if this can't become a sticky for this primary reason: the same questions get asked over and over again.

1. im having trouble w/ 3rd gear
2. to GMSFM or not to GMSFM
3. burnt clutches
4. How do i drive MT's better

Im pretty sure that w/ the TL-S 6MT, there will be a new can of worms opened.. so i think a 6MT sticky would be invaluable to many and having all the info in one visible thread would make access to this info a no-brainer.
Old 10-21-2006 | 04:47 PM
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what is your problem with 3rd gear
gmsfm?
what do you want to know about burnt clutches
how are you currently driving the manual. little tricks that you are using.
without knowing the problem we cant really answer any questions
Old 10-21-2006 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rpappi
what is your problem with 3rd gear
gmsfm?
what do you want to know about burnt clutches
how are you currently driving the manual. little tricks that you are using.
without knowing the problem we cant really answer any questions

haha... let me clarify. I'm not the one having the problems... without bragging, i think i'm pretty knowledgeable about the various issues and the 6MT in general.

Im just wanting a sticky where MT drivers coming to AZ and the 3G forum can go to get all the info they want about topics relating to the 6MT and even general MT topics, like how to drive stick better, etc...

Just a one stop place to get all MT questions answered by those who are very knowledgable about this topic. People like SouthernBoy are always posting good info in scattered threads, and answering the same questions over and over again.

just a thought
Old 10-21-2006 | 07:21 PM
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I agree with JennaRocks.
Old 10-21-2006 | 07:24 PM
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1. im having trouble w/ 3rd gear

sometimes it takes a 2nd push to get the stick into 3rd gear for me too.

2. to GMSFM or not to GMSFM

haha what is this?

3. burnt clutches

this is my first MT ever and even after 4 months of driving, i have never once even smelled burning clutch

4. How do i drive MT's better

i went to a parking lot at north seattle community college and i practice...practice...and practiced some more!
Old 10-21-2006 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jennarocks
my TL is my first MT car, so AZ and some of its more versed members have been invaluable in learning the ins and outs of driving a MT.

Beyond all the bitching and moaning, and you're wrong/i'm right, i am a believer that this forum should teach and be a source of information... which it is, but the info just seems to be too dispersed across the site.

So, to the mods, i ask if this can't become a sticky for this primary reason: the same questions get asked over and over again.

1. im having trouble w/ 3rd gear
2. to GMSFM or not to GMSFM
3. burnt clutches
4. How do i drive MT's better

Im pretty sure that w/ the TL-S 6MT, there will be a new can of worms opened.. so i think a 6MT sticky would be invaluable to many and having all the info in one visible thread would make access to this info a no-brainer.
I too, totally agree with Jennarocks but she left out a couple of important points about the 6MT, namely wheels and brakes. I've found almost no information about aftermarket rotors for the 6MT. It's almost like they don't exist - do they??. Also wheels. When you check out the websites for wheels you have to guess whether they would fit the 6MT or not as they aren't very informative.

This is the most informative site for cars that I've ever been involved in and I'm in the Porsche club so you guys are doing things right. Keep up the good work but help us 6MTers out there some more.
Old 10-21-2006 | 09:52 PM
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Are you kidding me?

1. A difficult third gear is an Acura undocumented feature. My (RIP) RSX Type-S had a similar issue - about 1 in 100 times I had to force it in. Lift some weights and jam it in - not a big deal.
2. See No. 1. I leased (thank God, I got to turn it in and walk away at the end) a GM POS once. No way would I ever adulterate my Acura with anything from GM.
3. Burnt clutch? Trade it in for the 5AT. You are not worthy. Driving the 6MT is a privilege not a right. Seriously, burning out an Acura clutch is pretty damn difficult.
4. Search on "Southernboy" that dude is the MT ninja.

Aftermarket brakes? What's wrong with you? The Brembos pwn. I just got done driving a 5AT loaner and there is no comparison.

Wheels? I hear you, that's a pain. If I didn't live in the city, I would get some Volks. But they would be on my car for about 3.5 seconds after I parked it.
Old 10-22-2006 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Are you kidding me?

1. A difficult third gear is an Acura undocumented feature. My (RIP) RSX Type-S had a similar issue - about 1 in 100 times I had to force it in. Lift some weights and jam it in - not a big deal.
2. See No. 1. I leased (thank God, I got to turn it in and walk away at the end) a GM POS once. No way would I ever adulterate my Acura with anything from GM.
3. Burnt clutch? Trade it in for the 5AT. You are not worthy. Driving the 6MT is a privilege not a right. Seriously, burning out an Acura clutch is pretty damn difficult.
4. Search on "Southernboy" that dude is the MT ninja.

Aftermarket brakes? What's wrong with you? The Brembos pwn. I just got done driving a 5AT loaner and there is no comparison.

Wheels? I hear you, that's a pain. If I didn't live in the city, I would get some Volks. But they would be on my car for about 3.5 seconds after I parked it.
get a clue... these are all issues that MT drivers have been dealing w/ in various threads. and Yes, there are even MT owners who have worn out their clutches, their fault or factory defect.

but i guess you proved my point... if there was a sticky where MT drivers could get most of this info in one thread, then perhaps you would've read it, and wouldn't make such dumb comments.

Like it or not, there are drivers on this site that stress alot, spend alot of time and money trying to figure out what is going on with their cars, or could save themselves alot of hassle and maybe their trannies, of they only had the right information.

There is not a week that goes by where someone doesn't post a question asking about MT tranny fluid, or someone w/ a gear grinding, etc...

read up.

Don't make some half assed comment when there are people who are honestly trying to make this forum useful.
Old 10-22-2006 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rpappi
gmsfm?

without knowing the problem we cant really answer any questions
General Motors Synchronmesh Tranny Fluid.
Might be misspelled though
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...smission+Fluid
Old 10-22-2006 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jennarocks
get a clue... these are all issues that MT drivers have been dealing w/ in various threads. and Yes, there are even MT owners who have worn out their clutches, their fault or factory defect.

but i guess you proved my point... if there was a sticky where MT drivers could get most of this info in one thread, then perhaps you would've read it, and wouldn't make such dumb comments.

Like it or not, there are drivers on this site that stress alot, spend alot of time and money trying to figure out what is going on with their cars, or could save themselves alot of hassle and maybe their trannies, of they only had the right information.

There is not a week that goes by where someone doesn't post a question asking about MT tranny fluid, or someone w/ a gear grinding, etc...

read up.

Don't make some half assed comment when there are people who are honestly trying to make this forum useful.

I wouldnt trip too much...Hercules IPA is about 9%
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=64
Old 10-22-2006 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by subinf
I wouldnt trip too much...Hercules IPA is about 9%
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=64


oh... one of those i see.
Old 10-22-2006 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jennarocks
my TL is my first MT car, so AZ and some of its more versed members have been invaluable in learning the ins and outs of driving a MT.

Beyond all the bitching and moaning, and you're wrong/i'm right, i am a believer that this forum should teach and be a source of information... which it is, but the info just seems to be too dispersed across the site.

So, to the mods, i ask if this can't become a sticky for this primary reason: the same questions get asked over and over again.

1. im having trouble w/ 3rd gear
2. to GMSFM or not to GMSFM
3. burnt clutches
4. How do i drive MT's better

Im pretty sure that w/ the TL-S 6MT, there will be a new can of worms opened.. so i think a 6MT sticky would be invaluable to many and having all the info in one visible thread would make access to this info a no-brainer.
the sticky should be.....

No #1. since put #2 in. No #3 if you learned #4. lol.
Old 10-22-2006 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ttliang
the sticky should be.....

No #1. since put #2 in. No #3 if you learned #4. lol.
Haha... didn't even realize, but ur right.


For those of you thinking that i was having these problems, your suggestions have been most helpful, but in my OP, i was trying to list questions/topics that i've seen over and over again on AZ... minus #3, i also had these questions when i first got my MT.

should've been more clear in my post. my bad.
Old 10-22-2006 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Are you kidding me?

1. A difficult third gear is an Acura undocumented feature. My (RIP) RSX Type-S had a similar issue - about 1 in 100 times I had to force it in. Lift some weights and jam it in - not a big deal.
2. See No. 1. I leased (thank God, I got to turn it in and walk away at the end) a GM POS once. No way would I ever adulterate my Acura with anything from GM.
3. Burnt clutch? Trade it in for the 5AT. You are not worthy. Driving the 6MT is a privilege not a right. Seriously, burning out an Acura clutch is pretty damn difficult.
4. Search on "Southernboy" that dude is the MT ninja.

Aftermarket brakes? What's wrong with you? The Brembos pwn. I just got done driving a 5AT loaner and there is no comparison.

Wheels? I hear you, that's a pain. If I didn't live in the city, I would get some Volks. But they would be on my car for about 3.5 seconds after I parked it.
So yeah, the brembos rock but what about getting some cross drilled rotors? That'll look super hot! I haven't found anything about those.
Old 10-22-2006 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
2. ..... No way would I ever adulterate my Acura with anything from GM.
What's wrong with the GMSFM, a lot of folks have used it and highly satisfied with the results.

Originally Posted by jennarocks
haha... let me clarify. I'm not the one having the problems... without bragging, i think i'm pretty knowledgeable about the various issues and the 6MT in general.

Im just wanting a sticky where MT drivers coming to AZ and the 3G forum can go to get all the info they want about topics relating to the 6MT and even general MT topics, like how to drive stick better, etc...

Just a one stop place to get all MT questions answered by those who are very knowledgable about this topic. People like SouthernBoy are always posting good info in scattered threads, and answering the same questions over and over again.

just a thought
I have an idea of what you're asking for regarding issues/topics with the 6MT. It'll take effort on someone's part to research and list the links relative to the topic. One of the things I did awhile back was copy the URL and the title of an informative thread to a Word document for my personal reference. I do agree with you about pertinent info being posted in scattered threads answering a lot of the same questions.

Originally Posted by Phesto
General Motors Synchronmesh Tranny Fluid.
Might be misspelled though
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...smission+Fluid
Gen Motors Syncromesh Friction Modified = GMSFM
Old 10-22-2006 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by royco
So yeah, the brembos rock but what about getting some cross drilled rotors? That'll look super hot! I haven't found anything about those.
Cross drilled / slotted rotors are definitely on my list.

my aspec rims almost demand that the rotors be something special.
Old 10-22-2006 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Are you kidding me?

1. A difficult third gear is an Acura undocumented feature. My (RIP) RSX Type-S had a similar issue - about 1 in 100 times I had to force it in. Lift some weights and jam it in - not a big deal.
2. See No. 1. I leased (thank God, I got to turn it in and walk away at the end) a GM POS once. No way would I ever adulterate my Acura with anything from GM.
3. Burnt clutch? Trade it in for the 5AT. You are not worthy. Driving the 6MT is a privilege not a right. Seriously, burning out an Acura clutch is pretty damn difficult.
4. Search on "Southernboy" that dude is the MT ninja.

Aftermarket brakes? What's wrong with you? The Brembos pwn. I just got done driving a 5AT loaner and there is no comparison.

Wheels? I hear you, that's a pain. If I didn't live in the city, I would get some Volks. But they would be on my car for about 3.5 seconds after I parked it.
"MT ninja"?

Does that mean I get to wear tight-fitting funny black pajamas and hood? And jump around crazy like while shouting strange sounds? My former Tae Kwon Do instructor would mess himself.

(heh, heh) Just couldn't pass this one up.. you understand.
Old 10-22-2006 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
"MT ninja"?

Does that mean I get to wear tight-fitting funny black pajamas and hood? And jump around crazy like while shouting strange sounds? My former Tae Kwon Do instructor would mess himself.

(heh, heh) Just couldn't pass this one up.. you understand.

You're forgetting the split-toe climbing boots, of course with an "A" logo.
Old 10-23-2006 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jennarocks
Cross drilled / slotted rotors are definitely on my list.
Cross drilled do nothing for you, at least performance wise. They have less mass to resist fade, and less swept area to provide friction. The alleged additional cooling is negilable compared to the other issues. Slotted are another matter. Doesnt reduce mass or swept area much and cleans the pads as well as allowing gas to vent under the pads.
Old 10-23-2006 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
1. A difficult third gear is an Acura undocumented feature. My (RIP) RSX Type-S had a similar issue - about 1 in 100 times I had to force it in. Lift some weights and jam it in - not a big deal.
Bad advice. you'll end up with a bent shift fork if you keep jamming it into gear.
Old 10-23-2006 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by geekybiker
Bad advice. you'll end up with a bent shift fork if you keep jamming it into gear.
A very real possibility for sure. Bent shift forks are one of the causes of a tranny "popping" out of gear or of grinding because a bent fork cannot fully insert the dog teeth.
Old 10-23-2006 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by geekybiker
Cross drilled do nothing for you, at least performance wise. They have less mass to resist fade, and less swept area to provide friction. The alleged additional cooling is negilable compared to the other issues. Slotted are another matter. Doesnt reduce mass or swept area much and cleans the pads as well as allowing gas to vent under the pads.
That is true, but honestly, i'm not really looking for braking performance per se... As much as i love having brembo brakes, i've never really needed all that braking power. I just love the big brake look and the cross drilled / slotted rotors are a must for that. sure slotted serve a better purpose, but cross drilleds look good too.

Old 10-23-2006 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawhyen51
What's wrong with the GMSFM, a lot of folks have used it and highly satisfied with the results.
My dealer will not put it in. That much I know.


Just had the new Acura MTF put in. They said if this doesnt do it, we are moving on to replacing syncro's.
Old 10-24-2006 | 12:11 PM
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My dealer will not put it in. That much I know.


Just had the new Acura MTF put in. They said if this doesnt do it, we are moving on to replacing syncro's.
trance, any difference in the shifting with the new MTF?
Old 10-24-2006 | 12:22 PM
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I had dealer fill my 6MT about 2 weeks ago with the new stuff. Difference is noticeable, but stiff when cold. I do move CAREFULLY when cold.
SBoy....the outfit would NOT be conducive to smooth shifting..
or at least it might hurt a little when rowing through the gears ))
Old 10-24-2006 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jennarocks

1. im having trouble w/ 3rd gear
2. to GMSFM or not to GMSFM
3. burnt clutches
4. How do i drive MT's better
i have about 75k on my 6spd...

1 never any trouble w/ any gears

2 gmsfm is a definate improvement, refilled w/ it twice. i have since moved on to amsoil synth mtf... even better.

3 ? my clutch is as tight as day one

4 the tl is very tricky to drive smooth... much more so than any other standard i have owned or driven... you will never be 100% all of the time.

this is due do many factors *search*
Old 10-24-2006 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by royco
I've found almost no information about aftermarket rotors for the 6MT.

Also wheels. When you check out the websites for wheels you have to guess whether they would fit the 6MT or not as they aren't very informative.
there are a few drilled rotors for the brembos available, but in my opinion way overpriced and worthless.

do some searches in the wheel tire forum, you should find a good amount of info on this
Old 10-24-2006 | 02:42 PM
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I have a problem with 3rd gear to, its minor but once in a while, it doesn't fully engage and needs an extra push. All the other gears are fine. Sounds like its an Acura problem since i've read a few threads with the same problem. I've driven manual all my live, so its not me.

About the brakes I've seen a few cool brake setups in the wheel and tire package. My peeve with the front brakes is the dust, but other than that its a good setup. Looks good with my gunmetal 18" rims with the antracite. Pics coming soon, b/c some bone head rearended me and split my rear bumper. Those Brembo's work good it stopped on a dime, but not the dude behind me.

I have spacers all around, but mainly to clear the calipers in the front, didn't change my ride or feel. The vibration was there before at speeds of over 65 miles. I driven or 3 sets of rims and rubber now, its there for all 3. and yes alignments were done everytime

Like to hear feed back, some good lookin' TL's out there...
Old 10-24-2006 | 03:00 PM
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Agreed, the Brembo front brakes have excellent performance (great modulation and linear feel, and little if any fade. But the amount of brake dust from the OEM pads produce is amazing. Last weekened changed my oil/filter and rotated the wheels/tires.

Decided to thoroughly clean the wheels inside the hoop and the spokes, took me half a hour just to wash, rinse and repeat. I ran my hand along the inner fender walls and it was black and a mess to clean off. If you ever needed night camoflage for your face just use the used brake dust in the fenders.
Old 10-24-2006 | 03:17 PM
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Wonder if they make ceramic pads for the brembos? They generally dust less and the dust they do make is much lighter so matches the wheel colot better.
Old 10-24-2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by your_mom
Are you kidding me?

1. A difficult third gear is an Acura undocumented feature. My (RIP) RSX Type-S had a similar issue - about 1 in 100 times I had to force it in. Lift some weights and jam it in - not a big deal.
2. See No. 1. I leased (thank God, I got to turn it in and walk away at the end) a GM POS once. No way would I ever adulterate my Acura with anything from GM.
3. Burnt clutch? Trade it in for the 5AT. You are not worthy. Driving the 6MT is a privilege not a right. Seriously, burning out an Acura clutch is pretty damn difficult.
4. Search on "Southernboy" that dude is the MT ninja.

Aftermarket brakes? What's wrong with you? The Brembos pwn. I just got done driving a 5AT loaner and there is no comparison.

Wheels? I hear you, that's a pain. If I didn't live in the city, I would get some Volks. But they would be on my car for about 3.5 seconds after I parked it.
Hahahah, you live in the ghetto? But yea SB knows more about manual thank you know about your family
Old 10-24-2006 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by S PAW 1
I had dealer fill my 6MT about 2 weeks ago with the new stuff. Difference is noticeable, but stiff when cold. I do move CAREFULLY when cold.
SBoy....the outfit would NOT be conducive to smooth shifting..
or at least it might hurt a little when rowing through the gears ))
You almost had me on "the outfit" thing until I realized you probably mean Ninja pajamas.

Think it would be a chick magnet?
Old 10-24-2006 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by geekybiker
Wonder if they make ceramic pads for the brembos? They generally dust less and the dust they do make is much lighter so matches the wheel colot better.
Yes they do. Check several of the distributors such as brakeworld and tirerack. I replaced my OEM pads on my '04 manual TL last spring with Rotex Gold Kevlar. Nice pads. VERY low dust which was my prime reason for the switch. I would estimate perhaps 80 to 90% less dusting with these pads.. roughly about what you would see on an automatic TL.

There are maybe 4 to 6 after-market pads available for our manual TLs. Please note that bedding pads in with our brakes is most important.. and that means doing it right. Here are two links you might find interesting, starting from earlier to later.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...hlight=Bedding
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...hlight=Bedding
Old 10-24-2006 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jennarocks
Cross drilled / slotted rotors are definitely on my list.

my aspec rims almost demand that the rotors be something special.
I totally agree but where to find them???? Definately cross drilled. I don't care about additional braking because the brembos are fantastic but want the LOOK!!!!
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