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Old 04-24-2012, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TyPeSeXy05
Sorry to hear it man. Hope it all gets sorted out fast and cost-effective!! Curious though, what kind of intake is it? My 05 TL came with a Fujita CAI. Just want to know "how low can you go"? :P
From post#2 in this thread, he has a V2 AEM.
Old 04-24-2012, 02:22 PM
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If insurance doesn't cover the said amount, wouldn't your parents pay for you? And +1 on the link to BM.
Old 04-24-2012, 03:29 PM
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Talk to your insurance if you have full coverage they can cover it but don't tell them you had the cold air intake sorry to hear goodluck
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Originally Posted by justnspace
the tl-s engine wont work.
Originally Posted by justnspace
ECU is different, transmission is different.

I'm sure if you had deep pockets, you could make it work.
but it would be simpler to do a Frankenstein motor or swap it for the same year

my bad. for some reason i thought he has a 08 TL-S...
maybe im wrong.
Old 04-25-2012, 01:55 AM
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I do have full coverage from progressive so they should cover it. I also just had a birthday and i think my dad would be willing to cover it as a gift. Anyone have any suggestions about the rebuild idea? The mechanic said he's specifically trained in engine building. And what would have to be done in order to have a type-s engine?
Old 04-25-2012, 01:56 AM
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nd btw i have an 08 TL NBP with full RJ body kit
Old 04-25-2012, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 08TList
I do have full coverage from progressive so they should cover it. I also just had a birthday and i think my dad would be willing to cover it as a gift. Anyone have any suggestions about the rebuild idea? The mechanic said he's specifically trained in engine building. And what would have to be done in order to have a type-s engine?
Don't bother trying to fit the 3.5 in the base TL.

As for the rebuild, hell no. Unless you have a trusted mechanic that you have STRONG faith in, don't bother. That mechanic knows that you are in an emotional state right now and the potential costs involved to you if you want to get a new engine. He is going to throw whatever lines he can at you to make you feel comfortable knowing that you are emotionally susceptible.

"Rebuilding J-Series engines is our specialty."

"This is what we do, and we're really good at it. You don't have anything to worry about."

"It will be as good as new when we get finished with it."
Old 04-25-2012, 02:16 AM
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^ congrats if progressive ends up covering it and if your pops ends up covering you for it! an engine swap would be sick and it's such a perfect time to do so.. somebody help this guy out!
Old 04-25-2012, 02:50 AM
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Are you going to keep the CAI once you get your car back? Or are you going to avoid water at all costs from here on out?
Old 04-25-2012, 03:32 AM
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oh man.. this is something i never want to happen to my TL-S. Especially when im still making monthly payments..lol. Anyways, I dont have much info to give u. but good luck with everything. I hope ur insurance will cover it.
Old 04-25-2012, 06:38 AM
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wish you the best killer
Old 04-25-2012, 08:02 AM
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Buy a cheap engine and switch it out. Keep yours. Rebuild yours to be a frankenmotor that can handle boost. Rods, pistons, studs, etc. Done.
Old 04-25-2012, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
Buy a cheap engine and switch it out. Keep yours. Rebuild yours to be a frankenmotor that can handle boost. Rods, pistons, studs, etc. Done.
he could rebuild it now!
since he just bent a rod somewhere.
Old 04-25-2012, 08:18 AM
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Yea I'm not if he can have a big down time or not. If you have other means of transport then yea just rebuild your motor.
Old 04-25-2012, 08:33 AM
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When you hydrolock an engine, isn't it just the bottom end that gets destroyed? Ususally the non-compressable H2O causes the rods to get bent, you blow out gaskets, break ring-lands and you loose compression (I think). The heads should still be fine. You can purchase a brand new fully assembled short block (#1 below 10002-RDA-305) for less than $2000 at OEMAcuraParts with free shipping (code Spyhunter). Then you don't have to worry about questionable rebuild work. Shouldn't cost more than another 1k to have the short block switched out (+ gaskets & fluid). I would definitely go this route over a rebuild.

BTW: Don't bother with the 3.5. It's gonna be a lot of trouble to get it to run right.

http://www.oemacuraparts.com/index.p...305&make=Acura


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Old 04-25-2012, 08:36 AM
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^^ Good idea. Free shipping on a block! Nice! Lol
Old 04-25-2012, 08:51 AM
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i hydro-locked my engine Fall 2011 here in NJ as well. I was dropped on Tein h-techs and had the AEM V2 intake. Bad judgement call on my end but I learned from it.

I got it towed to one of my friends shops. Told me the starter was dead so that needed to be replaced. Then he removed the spark plugs and let them dry for about a day. Did 3 oil changes. He did the thing where you crank the engine and the water all shoots out like a wild jet.

I am just lucky I guess. Good luck OP.
Old 04-25-2012, 08:59 AM
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^So you're saying fixing any electrical issues, drying the engine out, and running a ton of oil threw it is all you had to do?
Old 04-25-2012, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
^So you're saying fixing any electrical issues, drying the engine out, and running a ton of oil threw it is all you had to do?
no, in his issue...his motor DID NOT HYDRO LOCK.
he shut his motor off in time, to not bend any rods.

all his mechanic did was shoot the water out by taking the plugs out.
Old 04-25-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
^^ Good idea. Free shipping on a block! Nice! Lol
I have no idea if they would actually honor that.
Old 04-25-2012, 09:15 AM
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Hell yeah, if you can afford the downtime and $, start yourself a nice racing build! Gerzand(an acurazine member) just finished his full race build and he's putting over 400whp to his type-s! I'm sure he would help you figure out what to order and what not. Good luck OP.
Old 04-25-2012, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
no, in his issue...his motor DID NOT HYDRO LOCK.
he shut his motor off in time, to not bend any rods.

all his mechanic did was shoot the water out by taking the plugs out.
We are off to a good start today aren't we justn?

You can hydro-lock an engine and not do any internal damage. Rare but it does happen. Semantically one may call that flooding the engine but if there is water where there should be air and it can't compress, it's hydro-locked. Bent rods, etc is just collateral damage.
Old 04-25-2012, 09:20 AM
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i hyrdro locked a few years ago. the dealership cleaned it up and sent me on my way. drove it for three months before it blew the fk up on my way to work. got it towed to the dealership and insurance replaced it with a used engine. I have since put ~70k miles without a problem. the end. good luck!
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
We are off to a good start today aren't we justn?

You can hydro-lock an engine and not do any internal damage. Rare but it does happen. Semantically one may call that flooding the engine but if there is water where there should be air and it can't compress, it's hydro-locked. Bent rods, etc is just collateral damage.
i'm confused, if you knew this info, why did you ask...

^So you're saying fixing any electrical issues, drying the engine out, and running a ton of oil threw it is all you had to do?
not bashing just confused.
Old 04-25-2012, 09:33 AM
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djmanu hydro-locked his engine. I asked what he had to do to fix it. Not trying to gain information for me here but for the OP. There is a chance he doesn't have to buy anything he just needs to perform certain tasks.

It seems to me you thought there had to be internal damage for it to be declared "hydro-locked". This is not the case. Now we are just looping around. Lol
Old 04-25-2012, 09:36 AM
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communication is key.

This is why I asked the OP for an exact play by play on whats damaged.
He couldnt tell me, and said "the engine is gone"

from this, I was under the impression that the OP bent a rod somewhere.

in DJMANU's case, no damage was done when he sucked water into his engine.

Originally Posted by Maharajamd
djmanu hydro-locked his engine. I asked what he had to do to fix it. Not trying to gain information for me here but for the OP. There is a chance he doesn't have to buy anything he just needs to perform certain tasks.

It seems to me you thought there had to be internal damage for it to be declared "hydro-locked". This is not the case. Now we are just looping around. Lol
Old 04-25-2012, 09:37 AM
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p.s The only "check" i had done was a compression test and that came out normal (within spec). So I would assume you would need to tear down at least part of the engine to check for damages. Or not, drive it, and then maybe replace it down the line.

p.p.s puddles suck!

p.p.p.s puddles that look like small lakes and appear in the dark out of nowhere suck even worse!
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Originally Posted by justnspace
communication is key.
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How deep was that puddle?
Old 04-25-2012, 10:11 AM
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my puddle came to the bottom of the side skirts when not it motion....while in motion it made it appear that i was driving through a wall of water (at ~30-45mph), but i wonder how deep the parking lot puddle was too...
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OP, how old was your dry flow filter? How fast did you drive through the puddle?
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For me, those were the only tasks needed to get my car up and running.

Obviously, various factors come into play with this. For me, my car just shut off at once. No clunking, no noises, just died in the middle of the puddle. From my understanding, shorting the electrical components and starter JUST IN TIME actually helped me save my engine because it prevented any more water to be sucked in.

A lot of people try to crank their cars if it stops running. This tries to compress the water and therefore bends the rods.
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so the OP is doing a 3.7 MDX rebuild ? or RL rebuild or just a rebuild ?
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Originally Posted by swoosh
so the OP is doing a 3.7 MDX rebuild ? or RL rebuild or just a rebuild ?
Who knows. I derailed the thread that direction. Lol
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A puddle? Sounds like you drove through a pond.
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If you didn't try to turn on the engine once you went thru the puddle..u can still try to save it by cranking manually let all the water shoot out......
Old 04-25-2012, 05:30 PM
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highly doubt insurance will cover this since you have an aftermarket intake. good luck with that. sorry to hear about your car.
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Originally Posted by gideon's_test
OP, on the CorvetteForum I have seen many instances of hydrolocking being covered by the insurance company. You may want to give this a try.
Yes. I hydrolocked my C5 corvette and it was covered under comprehensive. Road Hazard I guess. I had an aftermarket intake as well. No issues with coverage.

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