I'm considering purchasing the 08 Type S. It looks like the 6 speed is going to be difficult to find in the color that I like. I would consider the 5 speed AT if it blips the throttle on manual down shifts. Can someone tell me if it does? I did a search and can't seem to find anything. Also, how quick are the upshifts and down shifts in manual mode. Thanks in advance for your responses.

 

Yes.

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Like bearcat says yes. But certainly not the fastest shifting paddles around. But if I were you or better yet if I had to do it over again. I would rather get a 6mt in a color I didn't initially want over a 5at in the color I do want. Unless you just CAN'T live with the color choices of the available 6mt's.

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I read that the Type S shifts are faster than the non -Type S shifts. I recently test drove an 08 RDX and the paddle upshifts were intoleably slow. there seemed to be a lag of about 1/2 a second before the shift actually occurred. The down shifts, however, seemed a tad faster which seemed a little strange to me. How much of a delay is there after you pull on the paddle and the transmission actually shifts? Since my benchmark for a 6MT is a S2k which I drive on the weekends, how does the TL-S 6MT compare and has the 3rd gear issue been resolved or just continously postponed?

The issues I have been reading on this board, valve chatter and rear strut issues is making me a little concerned.

 

I can only respond in regards to the TSB. The 08 after a certain VIN has been fixed. I bought mine about 2 weeks ago and confirmed that my vin had already been updated.

Also to give you an idea for power loss with the type S auto, someone said that the 04-06 6MT is still faster then the 07-08 Type-S 5AT.

 

man i think thats crazy...color is every to me. if you wanted a fast car then why go with tl then??? there are many cars out there that are cheap but faster. i would definitely go with the color i wanted in a auto then get a crappy color in manual

 

"In addition, the TL Type-S "rev matches" the engine during manually selected downshifts"

Are they referring to the 5 AT type S, meaning you won't feel the jump in RPM's as you paddle "downshift" as a result of a blip in the throttle because the 6MT type S DOES NOT rev match if you downshift. . . It only matches the revs when you rev the engine to atleast 3500 rpm upshifitng. Then if you upshift the rpms will match the speed of the engine for a smooth transition...

I am i missing something?

 

I absolutely disagree that the Type S rev matches.

As road_boy mentioned, rev matching means that the computer blips the throttle to match the RPMs of the lower gear. The type S does not do this.

The Type S paddle shifter is simply a button that manually triggers upshifts and downshifts. The same as the manual mode in all TLs and most modern cars. The only difference is the separate buttons on the wheel. It is a marketing gimmick and other than allowing you an extra 300 RPM before redline, it is pretty much useless.

A true paddle shifter is a semi automatic transmission with a clutch. The computer controls the clutch and selects the proper throttle setting when the driver selects a gear. There are few cars with true paddle shifters, for example the Lambos. If you ever have a chance to drive either you will see the difference.

 

The shifts are not any quicker than in auto mode. All the paddle does is trigger the shift. In my opinion, the type S tranny is one of the slowest shifting trannies ever built and it is my only gripe with an otherwise perfect car. If you value performance over convenience, I highly suggest the 6-speed.

 

Sorry, my freind, but you are (partially) wrong.

You are correct that the paddle shifter is nothing but a "button" to trigger a shift - totally agree. Also agree that after you push that button the car takes a moment to think about that request and then engages the actual mechanical shift.

BUT, whether with paddle shift or with the gear selecter, the TL-S does, in fact, rev match (or "blip the throttle") on SportShift downshifts.

Try this: Approach a stop sign at ~40/45 mph in 4th. As you are starting to think about braking, use the SS to downshift to third. Watch the tach. Before the shift engages the RPM's will rise to meet the new engine speed.

Now you're getting close enough to begin braking for the stop. Downshift, using the SS, to 2nd and watch the tach. Same thing. Just before the shift engages, the tach will rise to meet/match the new engine speed.

Doesn't matter if the shift is done using the paddles or the gear selector.

Obviously, we are talking about the 5AT here. But I've also read that with the MT, if you blip the throttle appropriately, the car will HOLD the peak RPM from the blip to meet your manual shift.

 

the auto does blip or rev match, but it is nowhere near fast shifting...the part i dont like about the auto sport shift is that when i have my foot on the gas and i want to short shift the car i cant....when i hit the paddle or bump shifter, the car still wont shift until it thinks its ready to shift, so no short shifting which means you might as well leave it in full auto...now if sport shift mode was to cut off the tourqe converter and shift when i say shift, then it would be a viable option to a manual transmission....all that being said, i still prefer my auto, and i still like the paddles...

if you want a 6sp manual, you had better stick to your guns and find one....

 

Your Type S must be different than mine.

 

Could be. Who knows?


But you've gotta be watching for it just after your shift. And you've got to have enough engine speed that it "needs" to rev match.

If you haven't, try it *specifially* to see/make it rev match.

 

07-08 TL-S DOES Rev-Match when u downshift. Look at the tach. I can notice it even more because i have an exhaust

 

yes, my O8 Type S downshift and rev match it, i tried this many times, say you take off your foot on the gas @ 45 MPH @ 4th gear 2300rpm and u flip the paddle down one gear, before i can feel the car engage 3rd the rev gone up to 2700rpm~ this is the downshifting playing its role, you will see it more obvious in a lower gear and when you not putting your foot in the gas paddle.

 

Well in my last TL (06 5 AT) If you down shifted(from 4th to 3rd using SS) without giving gas, you would feel a big "jerk" as it went into third. However if u did feed it gas as you downshifted you could barely tell the transition. So when you downshift in the 08 5AT type S you shouldn't feel the "jerk" through the downshift if it is actually blipping the throttle.

 

Yes, the 04-06 6MT is still faster than an Auto Type-S