JOES05tl

I was just telling my friend that I was pretty sure I would take out a 350Z-right??? Anyway on the way home I ran in to an infiniti g35 with 2 kids in it. My car (05 6speed manual w/ nav) had the 2 of us in it.I also have about 200 lbs of subs & stuff in the back. Even with a good start, by 105-110mph he had about a full car length on me. SH*T! Is this common? and if so what will get me goin' a little faster? by the way- Im new here and theres probably tons of stuff about this somewhere, but any help would be great! thanks.

260 HP

iTrader: (3)

The G35 has better top end power than the TL. Do you know what year the G35 was? The 05 G35 6MT coupe and sedan have 298 HP.

NFLblitze1

NOSSSSSS :-) or lighten your load, there are many ways of improving your cars performance

NOS
SUPERCHARGER
CAI
UR CRANK PULLEY
GROUNDING KIT
many more...

also, the g35 will tend to be faster than our TL's more HP was it a coupe or sedan, if it was a coupe, most likely youll lose, if it was a sedan. the match would have been more even,

jhan1102

G35 is fast. More low-end power, and high end. Just enjoy that you have a better car from inside. =P

Quincy

Motor Trend has the Acura TL 6 speed at a faster time than the G35 auto.

bayTL

I don't think so, I might trade the TL for a 350Z and since I drove them back-to-back the Z was faster. The TL is a nice open road touring car, not a sports car. You can only do so much with FWD. And yes, I have the 05 TL with the 6 speed. If you want to make it faster then I suggest the comptech SS. I had their stuff in my last Acura and it was good as OEM. However if you go SS you will have massive torque steer. The LSD only helps to a point...

mickey3c

Which year G35 were you up against? 04? 05? Motor trend numbers were from 0-60 on the 04. The way the acura is set up, it seems to do well when launching it from a standing start and going all out.

I guarantee if you were doing like 50 when it started, the G had you all the way, there is a lot more mid range torque on those things. They increased the power and they red line further up into the RPM range than they did before as well. All they have to do is and a borla dual exhaust system which borla claims to provide an additional 7-15 %.

jhunter9999

Why is this guy going that fast with 2 kids in his car?

TBone2004

buddy here at work is having a lot of probs with his 350 Z - tires keep wearing out - Camber problem I think? Probably getting lemon law on it - been a nightmare for him.

jhunter9999

All of the 350Z's have the camber problem.

chusteveb

Funny, I keep joking with my cousin to race me in his G35 coupe 6sp and he keeps telling me, his car is slow and he just wants to keep it stock.

Still I'm way impressed at something from a stop that is only a car length in difference by a buck 5 or 10.

navdhanju

Be careful... racing is illegal.

Sorry./. just have to say it.

cM3go

I test drove the G35 this weekend, very fast car, definetly faster than my 6MT TL

mickey3c

04 or 05???

ensley696

aw1

cant believe that idiot with the 2 kids in the car would even consider racing you. also, you shouldve used better judgment since you saw kids in his car and not to race him.

stealth

I think he means older kids like two teens.

JOES05tl

Stealth nailed it . They were probably early twenties, just like me. But then, were all big kids right. So damn, those things are just downright FASTER- Well, so in the price range of about 600-800 bucks, what can I do to change that. THANKS for all the positive help. BTW- his sh*t looked brand new> dealer plates and all that. probably 05. 298hp??? WOW. Im gonna need some help. how can I open this thing up a little bit?

mickey3c

You can get headers and a complete dual exhaust kit without a Y pipe, an intake, and a super charger.. that's on the G..

For 800 bucks I do not think you can do a thing to catch up. maybe add an intake but I doubt that will do much for you.

aw1

or you can just trade in the TL and get a G...

Pro Stock John

out of curiousity, how fast were you going when you started racing him and what gear were you in?

With our peak hp at 6800, grabbing 4th at 40mph and punching it won't win a lot of races, as an example.

I raced a 94-99 M3 stick a few months ago from a 70 roll a few times, and if wasn't in the right gear he was hard to catch. And if I shortshifted I could not run him down. But I had the faster car overall if I wanted to beat on the TL.

TLover

Don't even tout that snake oil here.

chusteveb

both are 04's

you know that VSA off and climate control (A/C) off makes a huge difference but maybe yours were already that way.

PeterUbers

iTrader: (1)

There honestly is not enough information in the story to determine why one car beat the other... too many variables, and personal accounts aren't always the most accurate. There's no objective way to call it.

SouthernBoy

The G35 has a bigger engine than the TL (214 cubic inches vs 196 cubes). That means more torque.

Neither engine produces very much torque, but the G35 has a definite advantage here.

As for the 350Z, they have a poorly designed rear suspension. Next time you see one, notice the distinct canted appearance of the rear wheels. They move in an arc and not up and down. Very bad design and very common in a lot of cars.

Pro Stock John

Thread is too vague, there are a lot of other factors.

TheOne305

Dont understand what ya mean u only can do so much to a FWD.I have a buddy running mid 12's street tires in his FWD.

Acuraluvr

iTrader: (2)

if its a mt tranny.....ur screwed i heard up to date numbers for the 298hp one was bout 5.5 to 60 vs the 5.78 motor trend recorded with our 6mt..... a supercharger would change that....... (COMPTECH PLEAS) and the top speed of the g35 mt is over our (around 165 ish vs our 158?)

ONAGER

how you figure? from a roll in the right gear the 2 cars should be almost a dead heat.

from a roll torque isnt going to be a deciding factor as the car is already moving..
hp is the biggest thing, why do you think the torque-less wonder (s2000) was so fast? it had 240hp and a lighter weight.... you have to make sure your in the cars power band. thats also why the fwd tl was able to keep up 0-60 with the G35, hp is what makes good #'s if you know how to use it.

g 35 05 manual
3,512 lbs, 298hp....
power/weight= 11.78

04/05 TL Manual
3,482 lbs, 270hp....
power/weight= 12.89

04 g35 manual
3,512 lbs, 277 hp....
power/weight= 12.67

03 g35 auto
3,512 lbs, 260hp
power/weight= 13.50

what does this show? well it shows that the new (05) g35 will be quicker from a roll, but it shows the older models are spot on with where the tl is.... also at a roll, lessens the effect of fwd, especially a roll from 50mph.....

mickey3c

it all has to do with gears, etc... You cannot just take one factor into consideration..

the torque and hp of the G is much more than the tl...

You cannot say once on a roll torque does not have any affect.. It still does have an impact.. You make it sound like once you are doing 50 it does not make a difference. It still does, look at the torque curves and read up on the subject more..

regardless ... the 3.2 has not been engineered to poduce more than 10 Hp and 6 Ft pounds of torque since oct 2000, where the 3.5 is now at as much as 300 ponies and 270 ft pounds, depending on configuration.

reaction times also come in to play as well as the condition of the car. It is nice to think that a smaller engine can out perform a larger, but it has a lot to do with the weight of the car, the egine, the gearing, and the driver.

DKA

March 2004 Car and Driver has:

'04 TL 6MT 0-60 in 5.8 seconds

'04 G35 6MT 0-60 in 6.3 seconds

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=6

Guess the horsepower increase for the '05 G35 made up the difference...

Dave
'05 TL 6MT NBP/Ebony
'04 Pilot
'98 CBR 900RR

BstonBruin

I was just thinking, what is wrong with this guy.....setting a pretty bad example for his kids,

apwalsh

The 05 G35 is the faster car on paper, period. It's still close enough to be a driver's race though, IMO.


OK, well maybe not really a driver's race but it's very do-able.

Something nice about the G is that every year they have pumped more HP into the engine. Or released more HP from the engine, depending upon how you look at it.

avs007

Jeez, what a crappy time for the 6MT G35. Motor trend got a better time than that with a 5AT G35 sedan.

They also happen to get a 5.78 on the 03' 6MT Sedan (which only has 260hp).
Motor Trend First Test '03 6MT Sedan

I've seen others get as low as a 5.5 or 5.6 for the 04 6MT Coupe, and as low as a 5.8 for the 04' 5AT coupe.

ONAGER

did you read my post? from the looks of yours i would say that you didnt.... you are right that you have to take into consideration other factors....

i wrote and i quote "torque isnt going to be a deciding factor" where did i put that it has no effect? you are right it has an impact, but it has LESS of an impact. i have read thourghly on the subject, search additional threads posted by me.

hp and torque are mathmatically connected (hp= tq x rpm / 5250). cant have one without the other.... here are a few web sites that define horsepower:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/34_472.html
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definit...0194%2C00.html

in simple terms, horespower is a basic unit of work, over a given amount of time... in the case of the definition 550 ft lbs per second.

BASIC UNIT OF WORK, OVER A GIVEN AMOUNT OF TIME...

260hp, is 260hp, is 260hp.... its all the same amount of work in the same amount of time.... wether the three engines have different amts of torque doesnt change the fact that the same amt of work has to be peformed to have the same hp...

now torque, by definition is a twisting force. as seen here....
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/torque and here
http://www.oddparts.com/acsi/defines/torque.htm
torque is useful as it helps get weight moving, the more torque you have, the more twist u can put on the axle to move weight forward. engines with more torque have the ability to move greater weight. and to get that weight moving easier. as its the amt of twist that the engine can produce....

but note: there is no reference to time or work done .

in car terms it does help move the car, but once moving, especially when the car is in its power band (which a roll at 50 would provided) how fast it accelerates is more a definition of hp then tq..... you can feel tq, hp produces #'s

thats why the s2000 is fast, it has high hp #'s, now if you start low in the power band, where it has no torque or hp its ass slow, but if you keep it fire, it will out run a g35 with less then 150lb of torque. look at indy cars, very little torque, high hp #s. and there real fast, but again thats more hp to weight and KEEPING THE CAR IN ITS POWER BAND

DKA reinforced that with the car and driver article (by the way thank you DKA).
that g35 had 260hp and 260tq, the lowly tl had 270hp and 238tq if torque was such a deciding factor the tl should have lost its ass in a race, in this case, the tl handed the g35 its ass.... it was more then 1/2 second quicker to 60 and if you look at the 1/4 mile times and trap speeds the tl wasnt losing ground as the race continued. whats worse is the tl is fwd and the g35 should have jumped out on the launch..... if torque rules all why did the tl win? why as the race continued didnt the g35 reel it back in? because hp to weight was very close. and the engines were geared well to there respective cars (more on that in a min).

who cares if honda has pulled any additional hp out of the 3.2 since 2000? its a damn fine engine, plenty stout for what it is....it generates 84.37hp/l (horsepower per litre), the g35 only produces 85.14hp/l and that thee brand new one upped just this year... the g35 from this test only has 74.28hp/l.... if anything nissan finally is rated near what the acura is.... oh and the rl has 85.71hp/l so when displacement is the same, the honda motor is ever so slighly higher.

gearing is also as you put it an important factor but both the g35 and the tl are geared well, and there both fairly close ratio, since there both 6 speeds and just for "fun" i found out exactly what they were....

these were for the 6 speed models, i did the math of 1-4 gear as 5 & 6 are worthless in a drag race

gear/ ratio for that gear/ over all ratio
g35: final drive ratio=3.538
1, 3.794, 13.42
2, 2.324, 8.22
3, 1.624, 5.74
4, 1.271, 4.49

tl: final drive ratio=3.285
1, 3.933, 12.91
2, 2.478, 8.14
3, 1.700, 5.58
4, 1.250, 4.10

you get the overall ratio by * gear ratio, by the final drive ratio. also note that the higher the # the better for acceleration, as the car has a mechanical advatage.
what does this mean? that 1, 2, 3 gear, the g35 has a ratio advantage. it isnt until 4th that the tl has the more favorable ratio.... funny the tl is at a disadvantage here as well (a slight one, as they are real close).

in comparing 2 cars directly reaction time is worthless, reaction time is comparing drivers.... and driver can win or lose a race.... i wasnt comparing drivers im comparing 2 cars against one another, against a clock, where reaction time means nothing. condition of the car? unless you have abused and flogged the shit out of it either an 04 and up tl, or and 03 and up g35 should be in good condition... and again im comparing 2 cars, not how they have been maintained.

-onager

ndabunka

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T! 350Z's are QUICK. This TL is NOT NEARLY as fast. The G35 Coupe (I assume since you thought you could run with a 350z and this is about as close as it comes) is not NEARLY the performance car the 350z is but it (10 is lighter than our cars and (2) has 290HP... No mystery there...

ndabunka

Trade in your 05 for an 03 G35 Coupe and then take the extra $500 profit (?) and use it to buy a CAI for the older G35coupe. What's more important to you. Looking good or being fast? If it's being fast.......You BOUGHT THE WRONG CAR!!!

crazymjb

Sorry if I missed this, but when using the manual shift gate should you get up to the max rpm the computer will let you do before shifting. I would assume so especially since the V-TEC doent kick in until higher rpms, I could be wrong. Also, I heard the TLs comp wont let you above 150, is that true. Anyone know from experience?

avs007

How can you say it's more a function of horsepower than torque, if horsepower and torque are mathematically connected together?

You forgot to pay attention to the last part of the formula... RPMS... If torque stays flat, and RPM increases, Horsepower increases at a linear rate. What's redline on an S2000? 9500RPM? What about an indy car? 14000RPM?

The 3.5 engine in the anniversary edition 350Z is also 300hp, just like the RL.


You're forgetting the title of this thread. He LOST to the G35. And further, everyone's results may vary. See my other post. Motor Trend beat C&D's 6MT time with an automatic! And the link I posted shows the 6MT sedan at 5.78. I think these cars are so close together, its pretty much going to be a driver's race most of the time.

2K2SilverTL-S

This is a pretty vague story, but regardless, its really a close race thats going to come down to the driver. Whomever is the better driver is going to win.