boringegg

TL (i assume AT)
http://www.injen.com/webpages/testin...%2004%20TL.GIF
G35 AT
http://www.injen.com/webpages/testin...nal/RD1990.jpg

do u guys notice....even though our engine rated 270hp, it actually makes less than the G35 260 hp?? and as always......honda engine doesn't have much torque....
but yet..i still love my TL

vothsc

Yes, but it revs like a jet engine.

GoBig

I wouldn't trust Injen's results...they are in the market of selling a product. Take a look at TOV's test http://sohc.vtec.net//article_files/...tl_5ATdyno.gif

EluSiOn

http://sohc.vtec.net/article_files/1...tl_5ATdyno.gif

GoBig

I beat you by 2 minutes...

GoBig

You guys will love this one...http://www.6mt.net/forum/topic.asp?T...archTerms=dyno

rstark

As a former G35C owner, Injen's dyno seems on par with others who have dyno'd their G's. The Sedan and Coupe dyno's are around the same. I believe the G35 Sedan's hp rating of 260 is underrated. From my own driving experience, my G35 Coupe was faster than my TL (both 6MT). However, I love my TL sooooo much better!

Aegir

You can't use these to compare power output. The variables between the runs almost certainly don't match up. The runs were a year apart. You don't even know if it's the same dyno. The cars are rated about the same and they run about the same.

Xpditor

What is "TOV"?

I don't need no stinkin' dyno to tell me the G35's engine is an amazing monster that has so much torque across the power band that it is scary. At any RPM, it's ready to haul ass.

I just didn't get that same "seat-of-the-pants" feeling in my demos with the TL. Not even close.

In reading owners here and also in the Maxima.org forum, there seems to be almost a second difference between Maxima (low to mid 14s / over 100) and the TLs (low to mid 15s / 90s).

EluSiOn

nah.... your link does not work.. so I fixed it for ya...

rets

Why cannot we just put them together for everybody to see directly?? I hate to open three different windows to compare them.

TL



G35

TLJohn

Comparing this to the similar G35 threads on our board. The G35 guys seem to be a lot more level headed. They acknowledge the TL's strengths and the front wheel drive "weakness". However, they do it like a couple of guys sitting around talking about cars. Not like they are bashing the other car. Hmmmm.

zeezz

of course, they still have their share of bashers :P

but as for the topic at hand, i think we need two of these car's with same transmission dynoed' at the same place before we can draw any results.

SilverBulletCLS

No need too. It is obvious the G35 dynos more. It has always been underated in hp and tq.

GoBig

I couldn't agree with you more!

EZZ

We have to keep in mind that even though the G35 does produce more power, the other mags have PROVEN that the TL is just as fast (0-60 and 1/4 are within .1 seconds). I really have no answer to why because theoretically, the G should be able to spank the TL given the power difference and RWD.

GoBig

The G35 is definately a more powerful car!

I just know that Ingen's Dyno of the TL is incorrect. They are in the business of selling a product that is supposed to increase horsepower, so in some instances, they'll dyno a hot (temperature wise) car for their baseline, and then put their product on, and then run that dyno when the car is cool.

parkkuen

To me it's comparison of two different vehicles with two different purpose... yes it's like comparison of apples and oranges... more like G35 is going after BMW consumers and TL is going after consumers that's moving up from Accords and Integras...

I was in the market to purchase G35 coupe for the longest time... but what kept me from it was the fact that it was RWD and its very boring interior design, this was very important to me, because you stare at your dash all day... however I still do love the exterior and its performance...

Now I am in a market to purchase TL, because it is FWD and interior is most beautiful to look at... I live in New Jersey where it RWD is not practical and I commute 90 miles round trip each day. Now what's keeping me from it is the fact that I need to buy an engagement ring first.... DAMN IT

VQ35DE

I Totally agree!! (ex: Injen's 3.5SE Altima 5sp showed substantially more HP/TQ than the 5G Maxima 6MT, according to their dyno charts.)

PeterUbers

iTrader: (1)

The 260hp G35 sedan was tested ... actually SEVERAL G35 sedans were tested at Stillen Days (huge Nissan/Infiniti group outing several months ago) on the dyno against the same tranny in a coupe -- IDENTICAL NUMBERS...

The sedan is producing 280-287hp at the crank like the coupe is.

Aegir

I'll try to be level-headed...

The G35 has an awesome engine. So does the TL. Both cars are damn fast. The G35 is lighter, RWD, and has as much or more power. With equal drivers, 6MT vs. 6MT, the G35 should be faster. I don't see a 5AT G35 beating a 6MT TL. As far as maximum horsepower goes, the G35 has much more potential (one call to Vortech adds 100hp+).

Of course, power is just one ingredient to making a great car. IMHO, I don't think the performance advantage makes up for the G35's other shortcomings. Analysis is done, decision is made, and I've placed my money where my mouth is...

kelly408

i agree with Aegir that both engines are great. it all depends what is important to the driver. for me, i was in the market for a 30-35k luxury sports sedan. i did not find the luxury interior on the G35. i simply thought everything looked cheap inside. but as far as driving feel and performance, its pretty damn good if i wanted strict performance, i would have kept my '93 rx7. if i wanted both luxury and race car performance in my sedan, i would have gotten a used M5.

- just my 2 pennies :o

Bitium

That dyno is BS

Let's start with this: The 2003 accord V6 rated at 240HP

Get's 193 HP 4hp less than the 2004 TL which is rated at 270HP

http://www.injen.com/webpages/testin...les/rd1675.jpg

So you know is BS, the accord dyno looks ok.


Look at the Vtec.net dyno, I trust this guys the dyno shows 222hp and they have it on video.

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=193390

Which is very similar to the G35. I don't disagree with the G35, but I do have to say that their 2004 TL dyno is crap !!!!!!!!!! plain and simple

Aegir

Yep. Here's another TL dyno from someone who's not selling something:

http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71949

Bitium

Thanks!!! the Injen graph is not correct.

fla-tls

That's from a 6MT, not a 5AT. The graphs in post #1 are from auto cars, not manuals.

Aegir

Agreed, but the numbers still don't seem to jive.

TLover

Well, the Injen dyno graphs were apparently taken from jimthegreek's car. Maybe we should ask him.

boringegg

i'm not trying to compare the car..i'm just tyring to compare the engine...
anyway, as we all know, our tl's engine is pulling back the power @ around 6.1k rpm....so...would u think Acura is pulling back the power bcox of the RL?? since the RL get's a 300(or 300+) hp engine.....r they trying to create a power "gap" between TL and RL? hmm....

Aegir

I'm not convinced Acura pulled power out of the motor. Intentionally killing power this way would be such a hack - it just doesn't seem likely. I have a theory that the TL is more affected by heat buildup on the chassis dyno than most cars. First, the cold air system is dependent on the car moving to provide cold air. It is not a cold air system when the car is stationary. I'm sure those selling cold air systems will keep that under their hats. Second, the vtec.net 5AT dyno pull showed how sensitive the ECU is to coolant temperature increases, and it's difficult to maintain coolant temperature doing full power runs on a chassis dyno.

Hey, I'd much rather chat about this than squeaks and rattles any day!