Close Encounter with a Extremely Fast BMW 3 Series (stock)
09-21-2006, 11:31 AM
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Close Encounter with a Extremely Fast BMW 3 Series (stock)
Going to work this morning on Hwy 1 (rush hour traffic), and came upon a silver 3 series. Traffic was flowing at about 90-100 kph. The right hand lane cleared up a bit, the 3 series moved to the right hand lane and gunned it. I couldn't believe the acceleration that beemer had! 
I decided to play follow the leader, and gunned it after him. Each time he accelerated, I felt like I was standing still. Had to shift down to 3rd gear to bring the revs up in order to catch up to him. At this point I'm thinking, no way that 3 series beemer can go that fast! It must be chipped or modded (but it looked completely stock). Anyways, he turned off at his exit, and I continued straight. Before I passed him, I saw his badge: 335i. 
I don't know if a TL-P with mods would be able to take on a 330i (it might be close, a driver's race), but a 335i I had no idea. Checked out the BMW.ca website, no listing of a 335i. Must be a new 07 model then. Then I went here:
http://bmwbeemer.blogspot.com/2006/07/bmw-335i-1.html
Yikes! No wonder this beemer was fast! He would have ripped me a new back side standing still! Mod potential of the 335i should be very good! I'm impressed with what BMW has done (engine specs)...the fastest 3 series without the M badge. I'm giving BMW 2 thumbs up. If I'm in the market for a new car, I'd give the 335i a closer look when comparing to the Lexus 350 & Infiniti G35.
I decided to play follow the leader, and gunned it after him. Each time he accelerated, I felt like I was standing still. Had to shift down to 3rd gear to bring the revs up in order to catch up to him. At this point I'm thinking, no way that 3 series beemer can go that fast! It must be chipped or modded (but it looked completely stock). Anyways, he turned off at his exit, and I continued straight. Before I passed him, I saw his badge: 335i. I don't know if a TL-P with mods would be able to take on a 330i (it might be close, a driver's race), but a 335i I had no idea. Checked out the BMW.ca website, no listing of a 335i. Must be a new 07 model then. Then I went here:
http://bmwbeemer.blogspot.com/2006/07/bmw-335i-1.html
Yikes! No wonder this beemer was fast! He would have ripped me a new back side standing still! Mod potential of the 335i should be very good! I'm impressed with what BMW has done (engine specs)...the fastest 3 series without the M badge. I'm giving BMW 2 thumbs up. If I'm in the market for a new car, I'd give the 335i a closer look when comparing to the Lexus 350 & Infiniti G35.
09-21-2006, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
lol..the 335i is a twin turbo I think 340hp , think again...Don't sweat it though his engine will probably blow if he keeps gunning it.
09-21-2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
They're not 340hp, they're only 300hp.
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
09-21-2006, 02:35 PM
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http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-9852.html
this guy put down 275whp and almost 300wtq stock. I just think being that they are rwd, we dont have much of a chance.
this guy put down 275whp and almost 300wtq stock. I just think being that they are rwd, we dont have much of a chance.
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09-21-2006, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
They're not 340hp, they're only 300hp.
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
09-21-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
They're not 340hp, they're only 300hp.
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
09-21-2006, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
I thought they were faster than the E46 M3. Oh well.
09-21-2006, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Diego CL-S
so much for breaking a new car in. that car is definitely something i would look to pick up after it's been out a couple of years.
09-21-2006, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Phesto
BMW is known to undervalue HP power .Imagine this 335i chipped
I agree 100% that HP is undervalued.
BMW is keeping it conservitive cause they don't want press out there saying its as Fast or close to as fast than the M3
09-21-2006, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
They're not 340hp, they're only 300hp.
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
They're not really out of your league, slightly faster. I can take that twin turbo
09-22-2006, 09:52 PM
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BMW had actually to detune the engine before releasing the 335 because it was faster and a tad more powerful than existing M3.
Judging by some claims posted on BMW forums there is already a software re-flash capable of adding some additional 70 HP and 50lb of torque.
They do run low 13s 1/4 mile and 5.4 0-60mph.
Judging by some claims posted on BMW forums there is already a software re-flash capable of adding some additional 70 HP and 50lb of torque.
They do run low 13s 1/4 mile and 5.4 0-60mph.
09-22-2006, 10:14 PM
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Man, If the TL's sell the same price as those 335i's or M3s or 5series and all that BULL, Trust me, It would have been way better than the BMW. Not sure about more power because FWD, donno how much you can sqeeze out of FWDs. But from the Suspension to all the luxuries would have been better with the same price. The TL with the Price rite now is pretty Good and Branded.
09-22-2006, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nikko
BMW had actually to detune the engine before releasing the 335 because it was faster and a tad more powerful than existing M3.
Judging by some claims posted on BMW forums there is already a software re-flash capable of adding some additional 70 HP and 50lb of torque.
They do run low 13s 1/4 mile and 5.4 0-60mph.
Judging by some claims posted on BMW forums there is already a software re-flash capable of adding some additional 70 HP and 50lb of torque.
They do run low 13s 1/4 mile and 5.4 0-60mph.
Just reflashing the ECU gives those kind of gains?!?! Got a link to this? I have to check this out myself!!! Damn, I really want that 335i now!!
09-22-2006, 11:21 PM
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The 2007 BMW 335i will be in showrooms next month, and is the first application of BMW’s new twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. This is a big deal because BMW has had only two short affairs with turbocharged gasoline production cars--the 2002 Turbo in the mid-70s, and the E23 745i in the early 80s--and neither was sold in the U.S. As the saying goes, third time’s the charm.
BMW fit this new engine with two small-displacement turbochargers--instead of one larger unit--in an effort to reduce lag. And for the most part, it worked. Behind the wheel, you’re vaguely aware that this engine doesn’t have quite as crisp a throttle response as its normally-aspirated siblings do. But you don’t care--you’re too busy trying to hold on for dear life.
This is one hell of a motor, pulling smoothly and strongly from idle all the way to its 7000-rpm fuel cutoff. There’s no boost gauge, and since you barely hear the turbos spooling, it’s easy to forget they’re even there. Once you’ve adjusted to the slight lag in power delivery following big, sudden throttle openings, all you notice is the sound of that silky in-line six.
BMW says that this engine makes 300 horsepower and 300 lb-ft of torque. We were so impressed with its power that we couldn’t help wonder if that was a conservative rating. Wasting no time, I swiped the keys and drove to a local dyno shop to find out.
We used a DynoJet chassis dyno, which measures an engine’s power output at a vehicle’s rear wheels. Because of frictional driveline losses, this number is always lower--generally by fifteen to twenty percent--than the quoted power output from the manufacturer, which is measured at the engine itself.
Here’s what we found:
The non-turbocharged 330i, rated by BMW at 255 hp and 220 lb-ft of torque, puts about 200 hp and 180 lb-ft to the rear wheels. That’s roughly a twenty-percent loss. Since they have similar drivelines, you’d expect the 335i to put down 235 hp and 250 lb-ft.
But it didn’t. It put down a whole lot more: 275 hp and 300 lb-ft. A few quick taps on our trusty calculator shows that this engine is likely putting out closer to 350 hp and 360 lb-ft of torque.
Technical editor Don Sherman’s ears perked up at all this number crunching. With all that power, he wondered, is the 335i faster than the outgoing 333-hp E46 M3? We waved goodbye to the shiny new coupe’s rear tires, and sent him to find out.
Don coaxed the 335i to 60 mph in 5.1 seconds--only 0.3 seconds slower than the M3. The 335i covered the quarter-mile in 13.6 seconds @ 104 mph--again, only 0.2 seconds and 1 mph behind the M3.
So in an all-out drag race, the 335i comes close, but can’t quite match the M3’s blistering acceleration. Those numbers, though, only tell half the story. Have a look at the top-gear acceleration figures. In sixth gear, the M3 needs 14.7 seconds to get from 30 to 70 mph – but the 335i does it in only 12.5.
That, my friends, is the beauty of this engine. At full bore, it’s as fast as an M3. But at moderate engine speeds, it’s even faster. What a great way to keep us all interested until the next M3 comes along.
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...i_dynamometer/
No wonder that 335i was able to run away from me! Even in sixth gear it can still kick it up a notch, where I had to gear down to 3rd gear to bring up the RPM just to get enough power to try to catch up. I'm so jealous now! Anyone want to contribute to Patrick's new beemer fund?
BMW fit this new engine with two small-displacement turbochargers--instead of one larger unit--in an effort to reduce lag. And for the most part, it worked. Behind the wheel, you’re vaguely aware that this engine doesn’t have quite as crisp a throttle response as its normally-aspirated siblings do. But you don’t care--you’re too busy trying to hold on for dear life.
This is one hell of a motor, pulling smoothly and strongly from idle all the way to its 7000-rpm fuel cutoff. There’s no boost gauge, and since you barely hear the turbos spooling, it’s easy to forget they’re even there. Once you’ve adjusted to the slight lag in power delivery following big, sudden throttle openings, all you notice is the sound of that silky in-line six.
BMW says that this engine makes 300 horsepower and 300 lb-ft of torque. We were so impressed with its power that we couldn’t help wonder if that was a conservative rating. Wasting no time, I swiped the keys and drove to a local dyno shop to find out.
We used a DynoJet chassis dyno, which measures an engine’s power output at a vehicle’s rear wheels. Because of frictional driveline losses, this number is always lower--generally by fifteen to twenty percent--than the quoted power output from the manufacturer, which is measured at the engine itself.
Here’s what we found:
The non-turbocharged 330i, rated by BMW at 255 hp and 220 lb-ft of torque, puts about 200 hp and 180 lb-ft to the rear wheels. That’s roughly a twenty-percent loss. Since they have similar drivelines, you’d expect the 335i to put down 235 hp and 250 lb-ft.
But it didn’t. It put down a whole lot more: 275 hp and 300 lb-ft. A few quick taps on our trusty calculator shows that this engine is likely putting out closer to 350 hp and 360 lb-ft of torque.
Technical editor Don Sherman’s ears perked up at all this number crunching. With all that power, he wondered, is the 335i faster than the outgoing 333-hp E46 M3? We waved goodbye to the shiny new coupe’s rear tires, and sent him to find out.
Don coaxed the 335i to 60 mph in 5.1 seconds--only 0.3 seconds slower than the M3. The 335i covered the quarter-mile in 13.6 seconds @ 104 mph--again, only 0.2 seconds and 1 mph behind the M3.
So in an all-out drag race, the 335i comes close, but can’t quite match the M3’s blistering acceleration. Those numbers, though, only tell half the story. Have a look at the top-gear acceleration figures. In sixth gear, the M3 needs 14.7 seconds to get from 30 to 70 mph – but the 335i does it in only 12.5.
That, my friends, is the beauty of this engine. At full bore, it’s as fast as an M3. But at moderate engine speeds, it’s even faster. What a great way to keep us all interested until the next M3 comes along.
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...i_dynamometer/
No wonder that 335i was able to run away from me! Even in sixth gear it can still kick it up a notch, where I had to gear down to 3rd gear to bring up the RPM just to get enough power to try to catch up. I'm so jealous now! Anyone want to contribute to Patrick's new beemer fund?
09-22-2006, 11:30 PM
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Here's the second review (same people as the first link I posted above):
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature..._dyno_revised/
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature..._dyno_revised/
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Originally Posted by patrick
Just reflashing the ECU gives those kind of gains?!?! Got a link to this? I have to check this out myself!!! Damn, I really want that 335i now!!http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=165585 This is one of them.
About reflash or chip, it was a post that Dinan or some other company came up with a beta version, not officially released, that boost up the power as previously stated.
09-23-2006, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
It will still be sitting in the dealership half of time as they give you a 325 as a loaner
Of course on long term reliability acura has the edge but very few people keep their cars beyond 5 years.
09-24-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
It will still be sitting in the dealership half of time as they give you a 325 as a loaner
the same way my TL was at the dealer 2 weeks ago for getting its 4th tranny!
09-24-2006, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
It will still be sitting in the dealership half of time as they give you a 325 as a loaner
BMW has alot of electrical problems, but they're very good in handling. I'm not a fan of BMW, I'm a BENZ guy. I would never buy a BMW.. just me.
09-24-2006, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraDriver2006
hahhahaahahahaha
BMW has alot of electrical problems, but they're very good in handling. I'm not a fan of BMW, I'm a BENZ guy. I would never buy a BMW.. just me.
BMW has alot of electrical problems, but they're very good in handling. I'm not a fan of BMW, I'm a BENZ guy. I would never buy a BMW.. just me.
09-25-2006, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheAcAvenger
the same way my TL was at the dealer 2 weeks ago for getting its 4th tranny!
10-20-2006, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by arseny87
Unfortunately, the 335i blows up... not sure of the exact problem, but their will be a recall soon ;/
10-20-2006, 10:37 AM
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I've only heard about 2 engine failures so far in the 335I and that sucka moves out, I thought it was a normal 3 series keeping up with me and I was getting annoyed till I had to take my exit and saw it was a 335I
10-22-2006, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by vc123
335 is FAST they r around the same price as the new TL-S lol tl-s is no where near the 335
You wont get Navi and alot of other goodies though for the same price.
I went to a BMW dealer and built a similar equipped 335 and it came out to 48k,so in the end I left knowing the 335 might be a dream while the Acura TL07 still could be one of the best bangs for the buck.Even the IS350 is more with similar options.
I went to a BMW dealer and built a similar equipped 335 and it came out to 48k,so in the end I left knowing the 335 might be a dream while the Acura TL07 still could be one of the best bangs for the buck.Even the IS350 is more with similar options.
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