Car and Driver Rating of TL Type S
#1
Car and Driver Rating of TL Type S
So I was reading a lot of threads of people saying that the Base TL is almost as fast as the TL Type S (quarter mile wise). They were saying how the TLS does the quarter-mile in 14.4 or even more. So I don't know what they were reading but here is a good comparison between several competitors of the TLS. Oh and you can see the times for the IS350 b/c I read that someone here beat one on his modified TL. Maybe he did but these numbers don't lie. You decide for yourselves.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...tl-type-s.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...tl-type-s.html
#2
ive been waiting for Car and Driver to do a test on the TL and the month they do it just HAPPENS to be the month my subscriptions runs out and there are none at my corner store
bitches
bitches
#5
oh, and a BMW made the podium. What a surprise from Car and Driver.
I think the TL held up pretty well, considering this is based only on acceleration and taking into account current company.
I think the TL held up pretty well, considering this is based only on acceleration and taking into account current company.
#7
C&D has never been a fan of the TL. It's not sufficiently compromised toward sunny weather performance for them.
I've always thought they underestimate the value that our car brings to the table. In the real world, all the bells and whistles that adorn the cars they test cost extra money. Ours comes loaded, no questions asked. I use my car to commute, to travel, to take friends to lunch... all places where skidpad numbers and 1/4 mile times are largely irrelevant.
I subscribed for decades to C&D, but found them increasingly out of touch with the day-to-day ownership of cars.
I've always thought they underestimate the value that our car brings to the table. In the real world, all the bells and whistles that adorn the cars they test cost extra money. Ours comes loaded, no questions asked. I use my car to commute, to travel, to take friends to lunch... all places where skidpad numbers and 1/4 mile times are largely irrelevant.
I subscribed for decades to C&D, but found them increasingly out of touch with the day-to-day ownership of cars.
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#9
Keep in mind this "comparision" was:
1. Sedans - that's it, just has to be a sedan.
2. Quickness - Zero to 60 and 1/4 mile.
3. MSRP between $30k and $40k.
It wasn't about anything else. Want to what the Quickest $30 to $40k Sedan? This is them.
The TL-S times are 6MT "(necessary to run similar acceleration numbers)" and a bit faster than Road & Track got with thier Type-S earlier this year. The G is also a tad quicker here, the IS350 is slower.
1. Sedans - that's it, just has to be a sedan.
2. Quickness - Zero to 60 and 1/4 mile.
3. MSRP between $30k and $40k.
It wasn't about anything else. Want to what the Quickest $30 to $40k Sedan? This is them.
The TL-S times are 6MT "(necessary to run similar acceleration numbers)" and a bit faster than Road & Track got with thier Type-S earlier this year. The G is also a tad quicker here, the IS350 is slower.
#12
Originally Posted by pohljm
how can it be faster by .3 sec 0-60 then in the street start 5-60? that makes no sense
When you accelerate from rolling at 5mph, you can't dump the clutch or other methods. All you can do is simply floor the throttle and hope for the best.
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Originally Posted by pohljm
how can it be faster by .3 sec 0-60 then in the street start 5-60? that makes no sense
Opps, someone beat me to answering your question...
#14
Car and Driver has never been a fan of high powered FWD, to put it simply, for good reasons. FWD cars tax the front wheels too much because they have to accelerate, steer, and also stop the car. At the end, high powered FWD cars tend to understeer (because of the heavy motor up front) and torque steer.
Like Bearcat94 said, C/D simply is listing you the fastest sedan that carry BASE price of $30k to $40k. That's it. And Fyre Man, read again, BMW didn't take the podium.
Like Bearcat94 said, C/D simply is listing you the fastest sedan that carry BASE price of $30k to $40k. That's it. And Fyre Man, read again, BMW didn't take the podium.
#15
Originally Posted by dr_brains510
its funny how they said "launch well and you COULD snap off a very quick 5.2 seconds" for the G35. and if you don't? LOL
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Originally Posted by 260 HP
Car and Driver has never been a fan of high powered FWD, to put it simply, for good reasons. FWD cars tax the front wheels too much because they have to accelerate, steer, and also stop the car. At the end, high powered FWD cars tend to understeer (because of the heavy motor up front) and torque steer.
Like Bearcat94 said, C/D simply is listing you the fastest sedan that carry BASE price of $30k to $40k. That's it. And Fyre Man, read again, BMW didn't take the podium.
Like Bearcat94 said, C/D simply is listing you the fastest sedan that carry BASE price of $30k to $40k. That's it. And Fyre Man, read again, BMW didn't take the podium.
#17
I didn't know that TL-S is DOHC.... I thought it was SOHC.... hmmmm.... am I missing something here?and what is this ranking based on? what a total BS .... i think this ranking is just based on 0-60 straight line..... but when it comes to fit and finishes, those other cars doesn't even come close to TL.....
#18
psheu, yep, if the rubber timing belt goes, so does the entire engine. But you should only worry if you have near 100K and/or live in extreme cold climate or extreme dry/humid climate.
Toyata is smart about it, it has a chain, so even if the chain rips, the engine simply halts, and with minor calibration and a new chain, it is good again.
Toyata is smart about it, it has a chain, so even if the chain rips, the engine simply halts, and with minor calibration and a new chain, it is good again.
#19
Originally Posted by psheu
I didn't know that TL-S is DOHC.... I thought it was SOHC.... hmmmm.... am I missing something here?and what is this ranking based on? what a total BS .... i think this ranking is just based on 0-60 straight line..... but when it comes to fit and finishes, those other cars doesn't even come close to TL.....
just playing devil's advocate
don't get me wrong, I love my car, and its worth every penny...but as BEARCAT94 posted, read his items #1-#3 and when this report was only on those 3 items...the TL deserves to be at #7
seriously guys, some of you guys need to take what the article is for, and understand that our car on those 3 measured results that bearcat points out, doesn't deserve to be #1!
#21
Originally Posted by Bearcat94
Keep in mind this "comparision" was:
1. Sedans - that's it, just has to be a sedan.
2. Quickness - Zero to 60 and 1/4 mile.
3. MSRP between $30k and $40k.
It wasn't about anything else. Want to what the Quickest $30 to $40k Sedan? This is them.
The TL-S times are 6MT "(necessary to run similar acceleration numbers)" and a bit faster than Road & Track got with thier Type-S earlier this year. The G is also a tad quicker here, the IS350 is slower.
1. Sedans - that's it, just has to be a sedan.
2. Quickness - Zero to 60 and 1/4 mile.
3. MSRP between $30k and $40k.
It wasn't about anything else. Want to what the Quickest $30 to $40k Sedan? This is them.
The TL-S times are 6MT "(necessary to run similar acceleration numbers)" and a bit faster than Road & Track got with thier Type-S earlier this year. The G is also a tad quicker here, the IS350 is slower.
#22
Originally Posted by blakura
TecknoKing, are you referring to DOHC or SOHC engines or both?
Few of my friends have shops, so I hear a lot of mechanical info
Blakura, where in NYC are you?
#23
Originally Posted by TeknoKing
I was talking about TL in particular, Honda uses both DOHC and SOHC engines.
Few of my friends have shops, so I hear a lot of mechanical info
Blakura, where in NYC are you?
Few of my friends have shops, so I hear a lot of mechanical info
Blakura, where in NYC are you?
I'm actually in North Carolina. Is anyone else on here from NC?
#24
Originally Posted by TeknoKing
psheu, yep, if the rubber timing belt goes, so does the entire engine. But you should only worry if you have near 100K and/or live in extreme cold climate or extreme dry/humid climate.
Toyata is smart about it, it has a chain, so even if the chain rips, the engine simply halts, and with minor calibration and a new chain, it is good again.
Toyata is smart about it, it has a chain, so even if the chain rips, the engine simply halts, and with minor calibration and a new chain, it is good again.
Here's the link to tell which cars have interference engines. All Acura have interference engines except the SLX. I've seen one and that was last year.
http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doity...ference+engine
Interference engines means your valves open further and will cause them to bend or snap. This will also lead to damaging your piston walls, etc. This mean when your timing belt breaks, your engine will need a lot of money for repairs.
Non-interference engines will not do anything your car except just halt. This means when your timing belt breaks, nothing will break.
#25
Originally Posted by 260 HP
Car and Driver has never been a fan of high powered FWD, to put it simply, for good reasons. FWD cars tax the front wheels too much because they have to accelerate, steer, and also stop the car. At the end, high powered FWD cars tend to understeer (because of the heavy motor up front) and torque steer.
Like Bearcat94 said, C/D simply is listing you the fastest sedan that carry BASE price of $30k to $40k. That's it. And Fyre Man, read again, BMW didn't take the podium.
Like Bearcat94 said, C/D simply is listing you the fastest sedan that carry BASE price of $30k to $40k. That's it. And Fyre Man, read again, BMW didn't take the podium.
Whan I say podium, I mean 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place. The Bimmer came in 2nd.
Car and Driver has in fact been a fan of the 3g TL ever since it came out. the only thing bogging it down (according to them) is the FWD. read some reviews. A rwd TL would murder G35s and possibly 328s all-around.
#28
Originally Posted by TeknoKing
I was talking about TL in particular, Honda uses both DOHC and SOHC engines.
Few of my friends have shops, so I hear a lot of mechanical info
Blakura, where in NYC are you?
Few of my friends have shops, so I hear a lot of mechanical info
Blakura, where in NYC are you?
you're looking for Blackura_NY, who is located in, obviously, NY.
#29
Originally Posted by TeknoKing
Visuelz, what told you that I didn't understand the concept behind these two engines?
Thanks though for the input.
Thanks though for the input.
Originally Posted by blakura
I know this is off-topic, but what's the difference between SOHC and DOHC besides one being single and the other dual, how does it affect performance or fuel economy?
#31
Originally Posted by visuelz
I just wanted to further support what you said by having a reference. It was not my intention to belittle you. Sorry!
It's all good. I'm actually browsing the site you gave me. Thanks
#33
this comparo is just plain stupid.
putting a TL, wiht an EvO,wtih an SRT8....c'mon.
i understand the point was to focus solely on 4 doors and acceleration times, within a set price range...but look at what different cars fell within that price range.
apples and oranges....hell...it's apples and fruitcake....
SRT8..please. test drove one... barf. why not strap a booster rocket on my refrigetator... same thing for less money.
buick? okay, they need to have a cutoff for cars that only appeal to people with one foot in the grave, who are about to have their license taken away for inability to drive or see over the steering wheel..
okay. enough bashing..
i've driven a lot of these cars. if you purely look at power, then yeah, the TL won't win.
most of us are looking to buy, or bought, a TL because we were looking at a LOT more than just hp, torque, and 1/4 mile times.
putting a TL, wiht an EvO,wtih an SRT8....c'mon.
i understand the point was to focus solely on 4 doors and acceleration times, within a set price range...but look at what different cars fell within that price range.
apples and oranges....hell...it's apples and fruitcake....
SRT8..please. test drove one... barf. why not strap a booster rocket on my refrigetator... same thing for less money.
buick? okay, they need to have a cutoff for cars that only appeal to people with one foot in the grave, who are about to have their license taken away for inability to drive or see over the steering wheel..
okay. enough bashing..
i've driven a lot of these cars. if you purely look at power, then yeah, the TL won't win.
most of us are looking to buy, or bought, a TL because we were looking at a LOT more than just hp, torque, and 1/4 mile times.
#35
Originally Posted by visuelz
DOHC means there are dual camshafts, which means you'll have 2 intake valves and 2 exhaust valves. This will allow your car to run smoother, quieter, and cooler and more efficient. It costs more for repairs though.
Dual OHC allows for some pieces to be removed, mainly rockers, that allow the valvetrain to be lighter, and therefore, to rev higher. If you're pushing above 7000rpm, and don't want ridiculous spring pressures that kill cams, valves and seats, DOHC is the way to go. Of course, that's from an initial design perspective, because it's not like you can just swap in over in your garage on a Saturday afternoon.
#37
...which of course, would justify the reasoning behind buying the TL seeing as Car and Driver is on life support through BMW bribery and advertising, and therefore should not have any of its articles taken seriously.
#38
Here is the thing that is more interesting to me. The CTS, which was one of Car and Drivers 10 Best and was Motor Trends Car of the Year gets 9th. I love C&D and have been a long time reader and I can't think of a time when I actually disagreed with one of their tests - until now. I wasn't the one driving so I can't really say anything but...something isn't right. What a weird group of cars - I don't think that they belong is the same test.
#39
Originally Posted by iforyou
But the TL-S can still outhandle the newest RWD competitors from Japan with a big margin.
I don't have hard numbers in my hands, but in turns and corners, the TL simply doesn't feel as "fun" compared to say G35 or 3-series.
Try this, punch the gas pedal as you're exiting a corner in the TL/TL-S, G35, and 3-series. The TL has very good power, but it also wants to push wide, whereas the RWD counterparts actually tighten their lines.
Don't get me wrong, I love my TL. This is still one of the best looking sedan from a Japanese nameplate. This car also has excellent value compared to others. But from the fun to drive stand point, it's just not as good as other RWD cars. I also have an M3 that makes my TL's shortcomings more obvious.
Also don't forget, this particular C/D article only lists the fastest sedan that carries BASE price between $30k-$40k. That's it.
#40
C & D rant's BMW 3 series as the bench mark this segment !...but they never praise theye'r reliability..because they just suck! ...resale value (check your local paper listings), the buyer lose's theye'r ass for sure (with the exception of theye'r "M"series, cost of ownership really sucks!, ! as for the Caddy CTS , C&D will plugg anything for a little cash'ola!.....But I do agree they do put together some strange comparo's , I dropped C&D a long time ago, I like Road & track better, theye'r Magazine doesn't as bias, and is more entertaining!