Big mistake trading in my Windstar for TL
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Originally Posted by Flash501
question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
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Originally Posted by VQ35DE
Replacing the tranny on a Ford Windstar - $4,000
MSRP on an Acura TL - $33,000
Comparing the Acura TL with and old Ford Windstar - PRICELESS!
MSRP on an Acura TL - $33,000
Comparing the Acura TL with and old Ford Windstar - PRICELESS!
:lol1: those Mastercard commercails never get old :lol1:
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I am willing to put my money on the line, that it's your ABS system pressurizing Bill. i highly doubt it has anything to do with your tranny. This is a common concern for new TL owners dating back to the 2001 models.
Don't fret, drive the car how you like, it won't fail you.
Don't fret, drive the car how you like, it won't fail you.
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This is a joke, right? A Windstar over a TL? Even my worms could not top this priceless stuff.
In my case the TL has not been a joy to own. Looks like I'm not alone.
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Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
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Ok, so we're judging an entire line of cars by your ONE bad experience? Riiight. So instead of you being just ONE unlucky person, everyone else is just extremely lucky to have a car that meets their expectations. After all, it's against the odds.
Hopefully if and when you run into issues people won't be as judgmental about you as you and others have been with the originator of this thread.
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I know it's not ABS.
I doesn't do it in the manual mode.
Beleive it or not, my Windstar did the same thing when I first bought it.
And the Windstar was a good car. I only replaced 3 things in 9 years I owned it. 1-engine and 2- transmissions. Not bad for 90K.
I wanted a car that was made better.
I know your thinking, This guy is beating on it or doing something wrong.
WHATEVER!....I baby this car.
I am taking it in on Monday.....Stay tuned!
I doesn't do it in the manual mode.
Beleive it or not, my Windstar did the same thing when I first bought it.
And the Windstar was a good car. I only replaced 3 things in 9 years I owned it. 1-engine and 2- transmissions. Not bad for 90K.
I wanted a car that was made better.
I know your thinking, This guy is beating on it or doing something wrong.
WHATEVER!....I baby this car.
I am taking it in on Monday.....Stay tuned!
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And the Windstar was a good car. I only replaced 3 things in 9 years I owned it. 1-engine and 2- transmissions. Not bad for 90K.
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Originally Posted by Flash501
question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
Who asks stupid questions anyways??
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Originally Posted by Flash501
question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
So if you buy a lawnmower, do you go buy the manual (not gas) push mower, because it offers more control, and feel of the yard? If you want an ice cream maker, do you search out a manual cranked one? What about going back to DOS for your computer? Probably not. But those things all give "more control" just like a manual transmission.
For many people, there's not much of a challenge or enjoyment factor in shifting gears. They've been there, done that. If you really need to hold a gear or downshift once in a while, the automatic can now do that too. Personally, the automatic shifts at the same points I would about 99% of the time anyway. If you buy the car to "race", that would be a different story. Some people buy manuals because they truly like shifting themselves. Others buy them because they think that's the thing to do and it will somehow impress others that they know how to drive a stick, and "proves" they are a "sporty" person. Some people won't buy the automatic because they think it shifts too slowly in its manual mode, but they forgot to compare to the shifting speed of the manual transmission - it isn't instant either, it's just that the driver is doing something to create the shift instead of just waiting for it to happen (all of 1/2 sec. or whatever). I'm not attacking manual buyers or saying that AT is the way to go for everyone, by the way.
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Originally Posted by Bill Knight
I only replaced 3 things in 9 years I owned it. 1-engine and 2- transmissions. Not bad for 90K.
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Excellent points..... how many times have you had to tap the brakes because the person driving the MT car in front of you took 5 seconds to shift gears?
I love stick, I prefer it, but the wife refuses to learn it so unless the car is going be the car I drive and she never drives, it will be AT everytime.
Excellent points..... how many times have you had to tap the brakes because the person driving the MT car in front of you took 5 seconds to shift gears?
I love stick, I prefer it, but the wife refuses to learn it so unless the car is going be the car I drive and she never drives, it will be AT everytime.
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Originally Posted by Bill Knight
And the Windstar was a good car. I only replaced 3 things in 9 years I owned it. 1-engine and 2- transmissions. Not bad for 90K.
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I experience what is most likely the same noise every morning with my AT. I do believe it's the ABS or other system performing a test. I will however try your manual mode theory and veryify same "test" (noise) or lack there off...
My only tranny concern is the "2 step delay" or engagement - as I call it, when I shift into D from P or R....
I can't say much though, I haven't even been back to the dealer nor mentioned my concerns other than the tires...
Keep us posted BK.
My only tranny concern is the "2 step delay" or engagement - as I call it, when I shift into D from P or R....
I can't say much though, I haven't even been back to the dealer nor mentioned my concerns other than the tires...
Keep us posted BK.
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty
I experience what is most likely the same noise every morning with my AT. I do believe it's the ABS or other system performing a test. I will however try your manual mode theory and verify same "test" (noise) or lack there off...
My only tranny concern is the "2 step delay" or engagement - as I call it, when I shift into D from P or R....
I can't say much though, I haven't even been back to the dealer nor mentioned my concerns other than the tires...
Keep us posted BK.
My only tranny concern is the "2 step delay" or engagement - as I call it, when I shift into D from P or R....
I can't say much though, I haven't even been back to the dealer nor mentioned my concerns other than the tires...
Keep us posted BK.
Left work, placed car in Manual mode vs Drive. Drove across parking lot - approx 200 ft and did not hear or feel anything... Due to speed limitations I don't think it shifted to second (was watching road, not indicator). When I stopped at the edge of the parking lot I shifted into Drive, pulled out onto the street and whala the noise/thump was felt at the same time it shifted to 2nd... Due to the fact I "feel" mine in the gas pedal more than I can hear it, I really believe its a functional system test vs a trans problem. Is the shifting to 2nd the key?? I don't know, but from what I can remember most of the time when felt in the morning its just after pulling forward, so I wouldn't think it would be going for 2nd gear... The next time I will leave it in Manual mode until it automatically shifts to 2nd.
This may not be the same as what BK is experiencing, but due to my "Ex-lemon" 04 Maxima exhibiting the same noise/feel every morning - verified as the anti-lock/traction control test - I believe the TL is the same (noise that is, not the lemon portion..)
I will continue my diagnostics.. :-)
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Good grief, why the hell shouldn't he judge them?
"My TL has major problems, and my Windstar doesn't" DOES NOT EQUAL "the average quality of a TL is less than the average quality of a Windstar."
This is about statistics. Granted, statistics in general are a huge, complex pain in the butt, but this is a fairly simple aspect of statistics. It is a concept people of average or greater than average intelligence can grasp. A sample size of one car (also known as n=1) just doesn't cut it when it comes to drawing conclusions. This is known as "jumping to conclusions" or "making blank statements" or "n of 1 nonsense."
It seems to me that pretty much everyone on this forum is of average or greater than average intelligence. So I'm not trying to insult anyone. Rather I'm trying to point out that one's reason can be fogged by the negative emotions of having a lemon or major failure.
Norse, it sucks that you have a lemon TL (I think yours is a lemon, anyway). It sucks that this guy's TL has a major tranny problem early in its life. It would piss me off, too.
But it wouldn't make me believe that a person was better off buying a new Windstar than buying a new TL. There are 40,000+ new TLs on the road now, and chances are that 39,950 of them will never have a major transmission problem. The average quality of a new TL will far exceed the average quality of a new Windstar. That's based on thousands of experiences, not just one.
That's also why it is crazy when people come to this forum, where less than 1% of TL owners regularly contribute, and jump to conclusions because 3% of the 1% have a problem.
Anyway, I hope everyone with these tranny issues gets resolution quickly. It's got to suck. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty
OK, this just in....
Left work, placed car in Manual mode vs Drive. Drove across parking lot - approx 200 ft and did not hear or feel anything... Due to speed limitations I don't think it shifted to second (was watching road, not indicator). When I stopped at the edge of the parking lot I shifted into Drive, pulled out onto the street and whala the noise/thump was felt at the same time it shifted to 2nd... Due to the fact I "feel" mine in the gas pedal more than I can hear it, I really believe its a functional system test vs a trans problem. Is the shifting to 2nd the key?? I don't know, but from what I can remember most of the time when felt in the morning its just after pulling forward, so I wouldn't think it would be going for 2nd gear... The next time I will leave it in Manual mode until it automatically shifts to 2nd.
This may not be the same as what BK is experiencing, but due to my "Ex-lemon" 04 Maxima exhibiting the same noise/feel every morning - verified as the anti-lock/traction control test - I believe the TL is the same (noise that is, not the lemon portion..)
I will continue my diagnostics.. :-)
Left work, placed car in Manual mode vs Drive. Drove across parking lot - approx 200 ft and did not hear or feel anything... Due to speed limitations I don't think it shifted to second (was watching road, not indicator). When I stopped at the edge of the parking lot I shifted into Drive, pulled out onto the street and whala the noise/thump was felt at the same time it shifted to 2nd... Due to the fact I "feel" mine in the gas pedal more than I can hear it, I really believe its a functional system test vs a trans problem. Is the shifting to 2nd the key?? I don't know, but from what I can remember most of the time when felt in the morning its just after pulling forward, so I wouldn't think it would be going for 2nd gear... The next time I will leave it in Manual mode until it automatically shifts to 2nd.
This may not be the same as what BK is experiencing, but due to my "Ex-lemon" 04 Maxima exhibiting the same noise/feel every morning - verified as the anti-lock/traction control test - I believe the TL is the same (noise that is, not the lemon portion..)
I will continue my diagnostics.. :-)
I've noticed my car doing this as well -- after all my tranmission problems (three failures to be exact) I can confidently say that this is some sort of diagnostic mechanism b/c i do not feel or notice any problem w/ the shifting, and I drive my TL VERY VERY aggressively ..
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Originally Posted by KJSmitty
OK, this just in....
Left work, placed car in Manual mode vs Drive. Drove across parking lot - approx 200 ft and did not hear or feel anything... Due to speed limitations I don't think it shifted to second (was watching road, not indicator). When I stopped at the edge of the parking lot I shifted into Drive, pulled out onto the street and whala the noise/thump was felt at the same time it shifted to 2nd
:-)
Left work, placed car in Manual mode vs Drive. Drove across parking lot - approx 200 ft and did not hear or feel anything... Due to speed limitations I don't think it shifted to second (was watching road, not indicator). When I stopped at the edge of the parking lot I shifted into Drive, pulled out onto the street and whala the noise/thump was felt at the same time it shifted to 2nd
:-)
I don't here anything in Manual either.
I am not comparing the Windstar to the TL...It's just my Van was free and clear. Now I spent 33k and have AT problems.
How would you feel if your TL was grinding from 1st to 2nd in Auto at 1000 miles? Would you like to have your Transmission worked on in a new car?
My van did something similar when I first bought it and after the warranty was up the tranny broke. Replaced it and that didn't last either, so I Traded it in on a TL. The engine in the Van was replaced under warranty because of a head gasket. If you owned a Windstar and have 100K, then I'm sure you have already put Headgaskets or new engine and at least one tranny.
I noticed these problems early on and the dealer said I was the only one.
Next thing you know there is a recall.
Just be aware of how your TL shifts from first to second going slow, on your first drive. Does it clunk or grind?
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*Please note that because I say a shift from 1st to 2nd, I don't mean in manual mode.
Automatic's have 1st and 2nd too.
This is what I am referring to. AUTOMATIC MODE! 1st to 2nd going slow. The first time out for the day. Check it out.
Automatic's have 1st and 2nd too.
This is what I am referring to. AUTOMATIC MODE! 1st to 2nd going slow. The first time out for the day. Check it out.
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I second Animate's response. I drive in LA and even though I would actually prefer to drive a manual, I will never buy one as long as I live here. I don't know what traffic is like in Pittsfield, MA but here in Cali it's absolutely heinous.
By the way…. Has anyone else noticed how a few of these people who are starting these negative threads seem to stay at a particular number (like 10 for example) on their post counts? Something seems kind of fishy about these guys……
I mean a Windstar? Are you for real?
By the way…. Has anyone else noticed how a few of these people who are starting these negative threads seem to stay at a particular number (like 10 for example) on their post counts? Something seems kind of fishy about these guys……
I mean a Windstar? Are you for real?
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My van did something similar when I first bought it and after the warranty was up the tranny broke. Replaced it and that didn't last either, so I Traded it in on a TL. The engine in the Van was replaced under warranty because of a head gasket. If you owned a Windstar and have 100K, then I'm sure you have already put Headgaskets or new engine and at least one tranny.
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Good god I would have dumped that thing too. That's WAY too much going wrong in 90k miles. Sorry to hear about your trans problem with the TL. At least it was under warranty this time
My van did something similar when I first bought it and after the warranty was up the tranny broke. Replaced it and that didn't last either, so I Traded it in on a TL. The engine in the Van was replaced under warranty because of a head gasket. If you owned a Windstar and have 100K, then I'm sure you have already put Headgaskets or new engine and at least one tranny.
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Good god I would have dumped that thing too. That's WAY too much going wrong in 90k miles. Sorry to hear about your trans problem with the TL. At least it was under warranty this time
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Spend a few weeks commuting in Southern California.
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Originally Posted by Cyclonus
I second Animate's response. I drive in LA and even though I would actually prefer to drive a manual, I will never buy one as long as I live here. I don't know what traffic is like in Pittsfield, MA but here in Cali it's absolutely heinous.
By the way…. Has anyone else noticed how a few of these people who are starting these negative threads seem to stay at a particular number (like 10 for example) on their post counts? Something seems kind of fishy about these guys……
I mean a Windstar? Are you for real?
By the way…. Has anyone else noticed how a few of these people who are starting these negative threads seem to stay at a particular number (like 10 for example) on their post counts? Something seems kind of fishy about these guys……
I mean a Windstar? Are you for real?
Yea, it's kinda of fishy that I have a problem with my TL...WHATEVER!
You offer no help...just stop in for a free post! Fishy!
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Bill, I think what KJSmitty was trying to say was that they also experienced the same symptoms as you.
I don't know about the '04, but there are MANY threads about the 2nd gen and noises from the engine compartment when you first start to drive. All of these are the ABS system going through self tests. In the 2nd gen it happens twice, if the '04 is similar you can expect this odd noise to happen every time as well. (BTW - did your van have ABS?)
In any event, I hope your situation is only the ABS system preping as well. It was a learning experience for me as well when I first bought my car.
Good luck.
I don't know about the '04, but there are MANY threads about the 2nd gen and noises from the engine compartment when you first start to drive. All of these are the ABS system going through self tests. In the 2nd gen it happens twice, if the '04 is similar you can expect this odd noise to happen every time as well. (BTW - did your van have ABS?)
In any event, I hope your situation is only the ABS system preping as well. It was a learning experience for me as well when I first bought my car.
Good luck.
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Free post? Do you think I get off on watching my post count go up or something. Whatever. Why don't you go back to driving your Windstar and shut the fuck up?
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Bill,
Sorry for the above post (I typed and posted before I thought it through and I would edit it if I could still do so). That was totally uncalled for on my part and I wish you the best of luck figuring out what is wrong with your transmission. I know I would be pretty pissed too. I thought I was having a problem with one of my wheels until I found something lodged in the rim that I must have ran over. I was pretty upset with my purchase too for a day or so to say the least.
My advice would be to try and get it to your dealership. The sooner they figure out what’s wrong the better and once it’s fixed maybe you’ll think differently about your purchase.
Once again, sorry about the post and good luck.
Sorry for the above post (I typed and posted before I thought it through and I would edit it if I could still do so). That was totally uncalled for on my part and I wish you the best of luck figuring out what is wrong with your transmission. I know I would be pretty pissed too. I thought I was having a problem with one of my wheels until I found something lodged in the rim that I must have ran over. I was pretty upset with my purchase too for a day or so to say the least.
My advice would be to try and get it to your dealership. The sooner they figure out what’s wrong the better and once it’s fixed maybe you’ll think differently about your purchase.
Once again, sorry about the post and good luck.
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So, Bill Knight,
Let's go back to your original topic. Someone said it may be the ABS system checking... do you hear "thump" or "flap" sound at about 10MPH after starting your engine/car?
The ABS checking is also only taking place once during the drive... ??
Let's go back to your original topic. Someone said it may be the ABS system checking... do you hear "thump" or "flap" sound at about 10MPH after starting your engine/car?
The ABS checking is also only taking place once during the drive... ??
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Originally Posted by VQ35DE
Replacing the tranny on a Ford Windstar - $4,000
MSRP on an Acura TL - $33,000
Comparing the Acura TL with and old Ford Windstar - PRICELESS!
MSRP on an Acura TL - $33,000
Comparing the Acura TL with and old Ford Windstar - PRICELESS!
How could you even begin to compare the TL with a Windstar without a crack pipe?
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Bill,
I think this noise (grind) is a normal thing - too many people are reporting it.
Mine has done it from day 1 since picking up the car.
Remember, 50k warranty = little worries
I think this noise (grind) is a normal thing - too many people are reporting it.
Mine has done it from day 1 since picking up the car.
Remember, 50k warranty = little worries
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Bill,
The problem I have with your comment is that you are stating the car is not as good as your Windstar with less than 1,000 miles. Yes, you have a problem with your tranny. but what if this is your ONLY problem for the first 100,000 miles. Then your Windstar is a piece of crap with one engine and two trannys.
I owned a 1985 Cougar and it was in for warrenty work over 10 times in the first year!! It was always giving me problems the whole time I owned it. It would stall when it would get hot. Finally Ford got sued and had to admit that it was an engineering problem. I will never buy another Ford product as all cars I have owned by Ford have sucked big time.
Take your car in and get it fixed. Let us know what they say the problem is.
The problem I have with your comment is that you are stating the car is not as good as your Windstar with less than 1,000 miles. Yes, you have a problem with your tranny. but what if this is your ONLY problem for the first 100,000 miles. Then your Windstar is a piece of crap with one engine and two trannys.
I owned a 1985 Cougar and it was in for warrenty work over 10 times in the first year!! It was always giving me problems the whole time I owned it. It would stall when it would get hot. Finally Ford got sued and had to admit that it was an engineering problem. I will never buy another Ford product as all cars I have owned by Ford have sucked big time.
Take your car in and get it fixed. Let us know what they say the problem is.
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Perhaps he has a crackpipe?
I haven't found that one yet.
I hope I do before The Man does! :cop:
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Originally Posted by Flash501
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Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
Who buys an automatic car anyways?? i mean, do you not know how to use a clutch, or do you live in the city where you are to lazy to use a clutch. if you are buying a car, then why dont you want to get everything out of that car as possible!!
just a question...
Originally Posted by Animate
Spend a few weeks commuting in Southern California.
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Originally Posted by rets
So, Bill Knight,
Let's go back to your original topic. Someone said it may be the ABS system checking... do you hear "thump" or "flap" sound at about 10MPH after starting your engine/car?
The ABS checking is also only taking place once during the drive... ??
Let's go back to your original topic. Someone said it may be the ABS system checking... do you hear "thump" or "flap" sound at about 10MPH after starting your engine/car?
The ABS checking is also only taking place once during the drive... ??
But it's always at the shift point. Yesterday it did it again, just after a 1/2 hour stop.
I'll drive it today and try pressing on the brakes a little as it shifts.
See what happens.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Or Washington DC
My wife hates driving either car/stick in the traffic and I hate driving the MDX/auto in traffic so each person is different.
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Because it's an unintelligent conclusion to come to.
This is about statistics. Granted, statistics in general are a huge, complex pain in the butt, but this is a fairly simple aspect of statistics. It is a concept people of average or greater than average intelligence can grasp. A sample size of one car (also known as n=1) just doesn't cut it when it comes to drawing conclusions. This is known as "jumping to conclusions" or "making blank statements" or "n of 1 nonsense."
It seems to me that pretty much everyone on this forum is of average or greater than average intelligence. So I'm not trying to insult anyone. Rather I'm trying to point out that one's reason can be fogged by the negative emotions of having a lemon or major failure.
Norse, it sucks that you have a lemon TL (I think yours is a lemon, anyway). It sucks that this guy's TL has a major tranny problem early in its life. It would piss me off, too.
But it wouldn't make me believe that a person was better off buying a new Windstar than buying a new TL. There are 40,000+ new TLs on the road now, and chances are that 39,950 of them will never have a major transmission problem. The average quality of a new TL will far exceed the average quality of a new Windstar. That's based on thousands of experiences, not just one.
That's also why it is crazy when people come to this forum, where less than 1% of TL owners regularly contribute, and jump to conclusions because 3% of the 1% have a problem.
Anyway, I hope everyone with these tranny issues gets resolution quickly. It's got to suck. Good luck!
It seems to me that pretty much everyone on this forum is of average or greater than average intelligence. So I'm not trying to insult anyone. Rather I'm trying to point out that one's reason can be fogged by the negative emotions of having a lemon or major failure.
Norse, it sucks that you have a lemon TL (I think yours is a lemon, anyway). It sucks that this guy's TL has a major tranny problem early in its life. It would piss me off, too.
But it wouldn't make me believe that a person was better off buying a new Windstar than buying a new TL. There are 40,000+ new TLs on the road now, and chances are that 39,950 of them will never have a major transmission problem. The average quality of a new TL will far exceed the average quality of a new Windstar. That's based on thousands of experiences, not just one.
That's also why it is crazy when people come to this forum, where less than 1% of TL owners regularly contribute, and jump to conclusions because 3% of the 1% have a problem.
Anyway, I hope everyone with these tranny issues gets resolution quickly. It's got to suck. Good luck!
I have never owned a car with so many interior issues before, the saving grace was the dealer, but now they have slipped as well by puncturing my rear seat and forgetting to reinstall door clips and leaving grease stains everywhere and tools everywhere.
Acura has a long way to go to convince me they can play with the big dogs.