I have an odd question about bbk. What is the significance of upgrading to bbk if your not pushing more tban 300hp? Basicaly would it be a waste of money to get such a sophisticated brake kit if your only pushing 250hp? Would the regular cross drilled and slotted brake setup be just as good?

 

To me BBK for our car is just an added cosmetic looks. This is not a GTR and you are certainly not going over 140mph most of the time and slam on the brake. To me a good set of drill or slotted rotor should do the job and a good set of brake pads as well. For a good set will run you about $500 and by far the best brakes replacement you could have instead of a $2500 BBK

I had a set of Brembo BBK and for me personally is just for looks and my taste. I guess each of there own preferences.

here is my set up

 

horespower really has nothing to do with whether or no you need it. Do you track the car? If yes, then yes i would spend the money on one. If not, its not needed unless you are only wanting it for looks.

 

BBK's help with brake fade.
not so much with stopping distances.

 

BBK's are all part of the Type S upgrade.

 

thanks for the replys, I have an 08 base and with the bolt ons I seriously doubt I close to 300hp.....so I will be purchasing a good set of rotors and pads.....can I use the type-s calipers though? Or would I need the whole setup for a type-s?

 

You should be fine with the stock brakes. There are turboed TLs with stock brakes. IMHO BBKs are for cosmetic enhancements only.

 

BBKs dont help with stopping distance.
So your theory of having more than 300bhp is flawed.

BBKs help with brake fade.
with repeated stops, from twisties from a track course, the brakes will fade.
you wont get a consistent bite.

since the BBK caliper is made out of aluminum; heat will dissipate faster

TIRES play a bigger role in stopping distances than brakes do

 

Stock brakes are easily good for 1 140mph stop. So if you're not hitting a race track, there isn't much reason to upgrade to an expensive BBK. You can get better pads, stainless lines and racing brake fluid if you want better braking feel & modulation. Stickier tires are still the best upgrade for all-around performance.

 

^This. Horsepower is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

What is relevant is what kind of stopping conditions you will be encountering. If you're expecting to make multiple hard stops in quick succession, then a BBK is worthwhile. If not, then he standard rakes are fine.

 

 

Standard rakes. Don't all cars come with these?


Lol, it won't let me edit it to fix my typo.

 

I know :3

 

get a room, you two.

 

Most daily drivers are fine with an upgraded rotor/pad package and if you want SS lines and new brake fluid. An upgrade package is something like the one listed below.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c...s/g-63863.aspx

However, if you want a significant upgrade over stock, reduced stopping distances, less brake fade, and a firmer pedal with proper brake bias, take a look at our XLR8 BBKs by STOPTECH.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c.../i-533156.aspx

 

What happened in this thread? Lol. I've faded my BBK and the engine has zero mods down to the factory air filter and box. HP does matter but an 11.8 or 12.2" front brake on a nose heavy 250-280hp car is pretty small, even at stock hp levels if you track it or sustained hard driving, you will likely fade the stock brakes, Brembo or not.

Anyone remember that 1LE guy that got banned years ago?

 

I love this kit. Do you sell the 2pc rotors separately? I'm thinking about trying them now that I have a good average of rotor, caliper, and rim temperatures to see the difference.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

We were just pointing out that driving conditions are the determinant for what kind of brakes you need, not horsepower (as the OP seemed to believe). You could have a car with only 100hp that needed BBKs if it spent it's time doing repeated hard stops at the track. On the other hand, you could have a car with 500hp that wouldn't need BBKs if all it did was drive around town doing gentle stops from 30mph.

The brakes you need are determined by the kind of stopping conditions you expect and the weight of the vehicle. The amount of horsepower the car has is about as relevant to brake choice as the number of cup holders.

 

I'm well aware of what qualifies a car for a BBK. I was pointing out that if the car is driven hard, more hp will require larger brakes. If it's driven easy, no BBK needed.

The other point is the TL needs a BBK when bone stock at stock power levels if you're going to track it. 250-280hp and 3,500-3,700lbs is hard even on 13" brakes. The Brembos with a good pad will hold up ok but you're still going to have to be careful. And again, I can fade my 13" brakes if I drive the way I like to drive. If the TL made 100hp you could track it on stock brakes. If it made 250hp you're going to be in trouble on the 5at brakes and you're going to have to be careful with the Brembos. After all, the Brembos are only .4" larger and narrower. If you have a 700hp TL you're going to need 14" fronts at a minimum.

People have to be aware that while 13" brakes might hold up at the track with a 500hp rwd car with better weight distribution, in the nose heavy TL, the fronts do much more stopping, the rears don't share much of the braking.

I've said it a few times, the 12.2" Brembos should have been standard, a 13" or 13.5" option for the TL-S if you want to take it to the track and have fun without worrying about the brakes too much. I hope this makes sense, I only had a second to type it.

 

^Oh ok I see what you're saying now.