AP2s are dirty quick
07-07-2011, 07:26 PM
#1
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
AP2s are dirty quick
To start with, a co-worker of mine & I had been wanting to run for the longest time. He has a stock AP2 S2000, very well maintained car.
Last night on our way to a In-N-Out, we finally got a chance to run. We were supposed to run a 2010 V6 Mustang as well, but he couldn't make it. We did a 40 & a 60 roll. I also had 1 passenger & he didn't.
From a 40 roll, it was dead close. I'll admit, I thought I might take him, but when he runs, he nails his gear changes. But until about 100, I could barely muster half a car on him. But as soon as he changed gear, he would reel me back in. We both let off for a turn in the highway & I chalked it as a tie.
From a 60 roll, he got a nice jump, but I was able to keep an even pace. At one point, I started to pull, but he shifted gears (& I don't know if 5th is a really strong gear for the AP2), & it was as if he found an extra 20 horses because he pulled right back up. It wasn't until we were up there that I finally started a pull away.
At that point, we both let off again & I was able to win the 2nd run. However, I gave him credit. Right as I was pulling, I was getting near my limiter, so any further & he would have most certainly gotten by. My win at most was just barely a car length.
Now, we have to settle the dispute with a 3rd co-worker who has a stock 2008 350Z w/ just an air filter. He's pretty confident he can take us both just b/c he runs 13.7 at the QTR, but I think if I can run dead even with a Nismo (& the SK2 can run even with me), we can take him.
Last night on our way to a In-N-Out, we finally got a chance to run. We were supposed to run a 2010 V6 Mustang as well, but he couldn't make it. We did a 40 & a 60 roll. I also had 1 passenger & he didn't.
From a 40 roll, it was dead close. I'll admit, I thought I might take him, but when he runs, he nails his gear changes. But until about 100, I could barely muster half a car on him. But as soon as he changed gear, he would reel me back in. We both let off for a turn in the highway & I chalked it as a tie.
From a 60 roll, he got a nice jump, but I was able to keep an even pace. At one point, I started to pull, but he shifted gears (& I don't know if 5th is a really strong gear for the AP2), & it was as if he found an extra 20 horses because he pulled right back up. It wasn't until we were up there that I finally started a pull away.
At that point, we both let off again & I was able to win the 2nd run. However, I gave him credit. Right as I was pulling, I was getting near my limiter, so any further & he would have most certainly gotten by. My win at most was just barely a car length.
Now, we have to settle the dispute with a 3rd co-worker who has a stock 2008 350Z w/ just an air filter. He's pretty confident he can take us both just b/c he runs 13.7 at the QTR, but I think if I can run dead even with a Nismo (& the SK2 can run even with me), we can take him.
Last edited by Rick_TL-S; 07-07-2011 at 07:28 PM.
07-07-2011, 08:33 PM
#3
Good runs Rick. Do you ever come out to the Frisco area?
To start with, a co-worker of mine & I had been wanting to run for the longest time. He has a stock AP2 S2000, very well maintained car.
Last night on our way to a In-N-Out, we finally got a chance to run. We were supposed to run a 2010 V6 Mustang as well, but he couldn't make it. We did a 40 & a 60 roll. I also had 1 passenger & he didn't.
From a 40 roll, it was dead close. I'll admit, I thought I might take him, but when he runs, he nails his gear changes. But until about 100, I could barely muster half a car on him. But as soon as he changed gear, he would reel me back in. We both let off for a turn in the highway & I chalked it as a tie.
From a 60 roll, he got a nice jump, but I was able to keep an even pace. At one point, I started to pull, but he shifted gears (& I don't know if 5th is a really strong gear for the AP2), & it was as if he found an extra 20 horses because he pulled right back up. It wasn't until we were up there that I finally started a pull away.
At that point, we both let off again & I was able to win the 2nd run. However, I gave him credit. Right as I was pulling, I was getting near my limiter, so any further & he would have most certainly gotten by. My win at most was just barely a car length.
Now, we have to settle the dispute with a 3rd co-worker who has a stock 2008 350Z w/ just an air filter. He's pretty confident he can take us both just b/c he runs 13.7 at the QTR, but I think if I can run dead even with a Nismo (& the SK2 can run even with me), we can take him.
Last night on our way to a In-N-Out, we finally got a chance to run. We were supposed to run a 2010 V6 Mustang as well, but he couldn't make it. We did a 40 & a 60 roll. I also had 1 passenger & he didn't.
From a 40 roll, it was dead close. I'll admit, I thought I might take him, but when he runs, he nails his gear changes. But until about 100, I could barely muster half a car on him. But as soon as he changed gear, he would reel me back in. We both let off for a turn in the highway & I chalked it as a tie.
From a 60 roll, he got a nice jump, but I was able to keep an even pace. At one point, I started to pull, but he shifted gears (& I don't know if 5th is a really strong gear for the AP2), & it was as if he found an extra 20 horses because he pulled right back up. It wasn't until we were up there that I finally started a pull away.
At that point, we both let off again & I was able to win the 2nd run. However, I gave him credit. Right as I was pulling, I was getting near my limiter, so any further & he would have most certainly gotten by. My win at most was just barely a car length.
Now, we have to settle the dispute with a 3rd co-worker who has a stock 2008 350Z w/ just an air filter. He's pretty confident he can take us both just b/c he runs 13.7 at the QTR, but I think if I can run dead even with a Nismo (& the SK2 can run even with me), we can take him.
07-07-2011, 10:12 PM
#6
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
Very rarely.
Slap some FI on mine, & I'll do the same. 
Of course, it will. A 6MT stock is already quick enough to take me.
I'm fully built on except for PCD's.
I'm fully built on except for PCD's.
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07-08-2011, 12:20 AM
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07-08-2011, 10:01 AM
#11
All motor
This. It had no relevancy at all lol.
OP are you 5AT? Nice kill. I ran an AP2 1 time from a dig. It was even through 1st, 2nd I creeped a little, bottom of3rd crept some more (about 1 car) then started gaining mid 3rd-4th. I had about 3 cars at 100.
OP are you 5AT? Nice kill. I ran an AP2 1 time from a dig. It was even through 1st, 2nd I creeped a little, bottom of3rd crept some more (about 1 car) then started gaining mid 3rd-4th. I had about 3 cars at 100.
07-08-2011, 12:26 PM
#14
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
07-08-2011, 01:09 PM
#15
Honda+Blue=My garage
Rick,
I assume you have the J32A2. In my 02 TLS I lose by a hair to my AP2. I don't know what bolt ons you have, but against a stock AP2, that says a lot for the F22C from the factory. You mentioned you were fully bolted and he was stock-nice work Honda on both sides of this race.
Good run Rick.
I assume you have the J32A2. In my 02 TLS I lose by a hair to my AP2. I don't know what bolt ons you have, but against a stock AP2, that says a lot for the F22C from the factory. You mentioned you were fully bolted and he was stock-nice work Honda on both sides of this race.
Good run Rick.
07-08-2011, 01:23 PM
#16
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
I think some people forget how light the S2000 is for running around 240(?) bhp as well next to mine which is probably 300@crank. Probably around a 60 or so difference in power, but around 6-700lbs. lighter as well if I'm not mistaken.
IIRC, the AP2 also had short gearing in 1st-4th, so in the 40 roll, he was really keeping up his pace.
They're quick cars & I definitely don't see people giving some of the straight line credit they deserve.
IIRC, the AP2 also had short gearing in 1st-4th, so in the 40 roll, he was really keeping up his pace.
They're quick cars & I definitely don't see people giving some of the straight line credit they deserve.
07-08-2011, 02:22 PM
#17
Honda+Blue=My garage
I think some people forget how light the S2000 is for running around 240(?) bhp as well next to mine which is probably 300@crank. Probably around a 60 or so difference in power, but around 6-700lbs. lighter as well if I'm not mistaken.
IIRC, the AP2 also had short gearing in 1st-4th, so in the 40 roll, he was really keeping up his pace.
They're quick cars & I definitely don't see people giving some of the straight line credit they deserve.
IIRC, the AP2 also had short gearing in 1st-4th, so in the 40 roll, he was really keeping up his pace.
They're quick cars & I definitely don't see people giving some of the straight line credit they deserve.
the AP2 gearing def helps in the stright line, but it would have been fun to see how you did around the curve when you shut it down, the S it like the Lotus or Miata with regard to "tossability"
240 bhp, with the manual I think most put about 200-210 to the rear wheels.
Looking forward to jumping back into the DFW group in the near future.
07-08-2011, 02:44 PM
#18
All motor
^^ He has a 3G (J32a3).
Rick, you also had a passenger and he didn't. That makes a pretty good difference, depending on the weight of the passenger. With PCDs you would pull at least another 1-1.5 cars from a roll.
Rick, you also had a passenger and he didn't. That makes a pretty good difference, depending on the weight of the passenger. With PCDs you would pull at least another 1-1.5 cars from a roll.
07-08-2011, 04:25 PM
#19
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
I'm hoping to order some PCDs here soon.
07-11-2011, 11:04 PM
#24
Suzuka Master
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I thought they were both rated at 240 bhp, but the ap2 had more torque?
Anyway, I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that you really have to drive the s2k like you absolutely hate it in order to get it to move with any real authority. Launching it at 3k isn't going to win many drag races.
Anyway, I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that you really have to drive the s2k like you absolutely hate it in order to get it to move with any real authority. Launching it at 3k isn't going to win many drag races.
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07-12-2011, 04:06 PM
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07-12-2011, 04:17 PM
#28
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^ Looks like we have a really proud S2000 owner here fellas!
You're comparing apples to oranges. There is no way, shape or form these cars are direct competitors. It just so happens an automatic, 4 door, 3600 pound FWD car took your roadster in a straight line in style and comfort.
That's the way I see it.
You're comparing apples to oranges. There is no way, shape or form these cars are direct competitors. It just so happens an automatic, 4 door, 3600 pound FWD car took your roadster in a straight line in style and comfort.
That's the way I see it.
07-12-2011, 04:22 PM
#29
^ Looks like we have a really proud S2000 owner here fellas!
You're comparing apples to oranges. There is no way, shape or form these cars are direct competitors. It just so happens an automatic, 4 door, 3600 pound FWD car took your roadster in a straight line in style and comfort.
That's the way I see it.
You're comparing apples to oranges. There is no way, shape or form these cars are direct competitors. It just so happens an automatic, 4 door, 3600 pound FWD car took your roadster in a straight line in style and comfort.
That's the way I see it.
Try running a bolt on AP2. TL would get utterly destroyed.
Plus, don't talk about style, an S2000 >>> in TL all day anyday. Comfort, on the other hand... TL wins there.
07-12-2011, 04:53 PM
#30
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He's running away from your AP1s / AP2s without any of his primary cats removed ... he's got another 18 - 25 whp to unlock before he hits his 280 - 285whp cap as a "fully bolted TL".
How much $ does it take for a S2000 to get an additional 18whp?
I would hate to be your bank account.
Listen, we all understand the S2000 is an underrated car and it does amazing things with the little power it has.
The fact still stands .. the S2000 lost in this particular race.
How much $ does it take for a S2000 to get an additional 18whp?
I would hate to be your bank account
.Listen, we all understand the S2000 is an underrated car and it does amazing things with the little power it has.
The fact still stands .. the S2000 lost in this particular race.
07-12-2011, 05:51 PM
#31
He's running away from your AP1s / AP2s without any of his primary cats removed ... he's got another 18 - 25 whp to unlock before he hits his 280 - 285whp cap as a "fully bolted TL".
How much $ does it take for a S2000 to get an additional 18whp?
I would hate to be your bank account.
Listen, we all understand the S2000 is an underrated car and it does amazing things with the little power it has.
The fact still stands .. the S2000 lost in this particular race.
How much $ does it take for a S2000 to get an additional 18whp?
I would hate to be your bank account
.Listen, we all understand the S2000 is an underrated car and it does amazing things with the little power it has.
The fact still stands .. the S2000 lost in this particular race.
It doesn't matter how much whp you pick up at peak.
Peak is held for a fraction of a second, yet you go around quoting 'peak' whp. What matters is midrange gains. The majority of time spent after shifting is in your midrange climbing back up to peak.AP2's will gain 30-40 whp from 4-8k RPM with the boltons I mentioned. They'll rape a fully bolted TL Type S, no doubt about it. AP2 with those boltons is trapping a solid 103-105 MPH.And my bank account is just fine, thank you. I'm also picking up an 05 TL 6 speed on Thursday - as a daily driver. Funny that a TL owner would try to talk shit about S2000's being expensive to mod - a TL exhaust costs over $1k.
Anyways, like you said, apples to oranges: an S2000 destroys a TL in overall performance, while the TL handily beats out the S2000 for practicality and comfort.
07-12-2011, 08:02 PM
#33
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z.
And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.
07-12-2011, 08:52 PM
#35
Suzuka Master
Thread Starter
Who threw this shit in my thread? This whole, "If this car had this/that" argument is stupid b/c we can what if all day. What if I didn't have a passenger, what if I was 6-speed, what if I had pre-cats.
None of the cars had any of this stuff, so it doesn't matter. The S2K owner needs to tone it down, too. You're talking as if I had previously thought my car was the shit & would have drug a S2000.
My car is dog shit slow, which is why I only run my close friends because they want to know how fast it is & most are surprised. Anything else, I don't run unless I know exactly what it's pushing; pointless to run someone just so they can inflate their ego.
If I wanted something silly fast to drag ass, I'd have a built C5 Z06.
None of the cars had any of this stuff, so it doesn't matter. The S2K owner needs to tone it down, too. You're talking as if I had previously thought my car was the shit & would have drug a S2000.
My car is dog shit slow, which is why I only run my close friends because they want to know how fast it is & most are surprised. Anything else, I don't run unless I know exactly what it's pushing; pointless to run someone just so they can inflate their ego.
If I wanted something silly fast to drag ass, I'd have a built C5 Z06.
Last edited by Rick_TL-S; 07-12-2011 at 08:54 PM.
07-13-2011, 03:03 AM
#36
Safety Car
Gee whiz, I dunno, because I'm buying an Acura TL maybe?
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z. And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z.
And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.. Against a similar 370Z w/ intakes, exhaust and test pipes, the TL-S had 1 car length on him for the given length of their run.
07-13-2011, 11:25 AM
#37
Gee whiz, I dunno, because I'm buying an Acura TL maybe?
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z. And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z.
And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.I also realize where the car stands in a straight line. So do many members. It is your delivery on the information. You are just being a jerk about it. Re-read your remark when you quoted TylerT.............you remind me of a troll.
Your a new member. You should be more humble. Earn some respect by putting out information in a tactical way without being demeaning to others.
07-13-2011, 12:14 PM
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Gee whiz, I dunno, because I'm buying an Acura TL maybe?
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z. And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.
How am I being a troll? Because I'm one of the few posters in this thread that realizes where a car stands in a straight line and isn't trying to artificially inflate a car's true prowess? Then again, this is the forum where people think a TL-S stands a chance against a well driven VHR 07-08 350z.
And also where people think using trap speed to measure a car's potential is 'magazine racing'.
07-13-2011, 02:29 PM
#39
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^troll to troll convo..hehe thats funny....on a side note..my BASE 5AT has beaten plenty of modded AP1/2s when it had only a CAI and IM/TB spacer from many different starting speeds
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07-13-2011, 02:45 PM
#40
Honda+Blue=My garage
As one who owns both, I don't take offense or feel defensive about what Rick stated.
Rick was recognizing the S for a good perfomance.
The TL S is great to drive with the family and still have some fun, the S is the one that goes to the road course and autox. They each serve their purpose well-Kudos Honda--here is to hoping the magic of these special cars comes back around
Rick was recognizing the S for a good perfomance.
The TL S is great to drive with the family and still have some fun, the S is the one that goes to the road course and autox. They each serve their purpose well-Kudos Honda--here is to hoping the magic of these special cars comes back around