hey. u'll be surprised. a lot of trolls around here don't.

 

whine, no whine, whine, no whine... who gives a <bleep>!!! and i guess, the car is absolutely perfect to you huh, not one flaw, not one single thing you would change?? in your opinion, they could stop making cars at this point because the acura tl is the ultimate pinacle of cars. they have finally reached the top of the mountain with no where left to go.

That is the point of these forums... to discuss the car, good points, bad points, etc... now go and sit in your car and listen to that awesome audio system. In fact, go put in a few of those many many dvd-a 's i'm sure you own!

 

i know that in the TL if you leave the lights on and you get out and arm the car they will shut off, then when u get in they stay on. in my accord i would leave the lights on alll the time and would never shut them off. you can do that with your car, i guess you can use them as daytime running lights.

 

oh brother, i have nothing better to do than talk about a car i don't even own.

 

good idea!

 

Does anyone else think this thread is now becoming useless? In the beginning it was ok but now it’s just a punch of bickering.

Alsedr, you made your point about the things you don’t like. We understand you don’t like it and that a car at this price point should have a better stereo. We have heard it about 20 times from you in this same post. There is no need to keep repeating yourself.

Now that you know what the problem is, go to a stereo shop and upgrade your speakers or what ever you need to do to make you like. Yes I know you shouldn’t have to spend extra money on a car that cost this much to have a stereo that sounds good. But the consensuses are that the majority of the owners and magazines think that the stereo is top notch.

There is no car out there that is perfect in everyway and you cannot please everyone. Oh and to answer your question, not many people think like you.

 

So, I suppose you won't mind forking up 150+ for the HID bulb when it burns out quicker from constantly turning on/off the headlights with auto-headlights? How lazy do you have to be to complain about simply turning on the headlights?

The fact is, you are whining. Why are you expecting so much for a mere 35k car? Everyone knows that no car is perfect, let alone a 35k car.

If your opinion on the stereo system is so negative, and claim that a cheapo set of headphones sounds better than the OEM, fork up the money and get the speakers replaced... If you looked around, or even asked members here for info/advice, I'm sure they'll be happy to tell you your choices and where to get the best deal.

It just amazes me that a 30+ year old would just assume that the stereo system would sound better by tweaking it - is it that difficult to play around with the system at the dealership and/or the test drive?

You're bitching about Acura marketing the first DVD-A surround sound system in cars, calling it a false hype? I say Acura marketing team = +1, you = the sucker, for falling into the hype without checking it out yourself. Besides, the 2G TL has Bose stereo system - guess what, I think it "Blose." How do I know? My brother has an 03 TL-S and I've heard each system back to back.

Hardwiring the radar detector is actually an excellent idea - unless you prefer to just complain rather than doing something simple to fix that annoyance. Your call.

If you wanted RWD/AWD so bad, why the TL? Some people need/prefer FWD, believe it or not, especially when it's a 4 door sedan daily driver. I dunno about you, but pointing this out and demanding RWD (not to mention after you bought the car) seems rather... silly.

Nothing personal, just giving you my opinion in the similar manner as you've given yours.


I have a feeling that we'll love having you around. Welcome to the forum.

 

HAHA... thanks for the post. Glad to be here. I'll make sure i let you all know what else i find wrong! hahaha....

 

missed by a mile...................no good.

if you recall. i was the first one to chime in to say there is no perfect car to end all.

what you would do and could do are totally......sigh....do you have some actual problems we can help you with? i just didn't like the fact that you said you like dvd-a one minute and said it sucks the next etc.. etc...who are you trying to please/piss. i don't really personally care that much to tell u the truth.

i understand you are in a theoretical TL world right now discussing some coulda mighta been stuff. even then you have to be consistent somewhat.

TL should be 1000hp 40mpg RWD mp3 no dvd-a with no lil cutty door covering the cig. plug + time warp capable. oh and should cost only 30K. that's what i'd like to see. until then, there is no freaking perfect car.

regards,

John Kerry

 

i agree... please let's end this now!

 

As this is my last post to this thread.... i never said i didn't like dvd-a. i questioned their use of it in this car when it's not widely accepted yet mp-3's are. that's it. it sounds great, i love it... excpet the stereo system it plays through sucks, but that's not the format's fault.

dude, say what you want... i don't care. not gonna waste anymore time on this topic. c ya in the next!

 

thank you and take care.

 

DVD-audio going the way of 8-track? No way. SACD - yes.
I tested a DVD-A in it today and it sounded darned good.
The TL's stereo is better than the IS in our opinion. Didn't try the RL as it's way out of the price-range.

I can't fathom what you're hearing. Muffled? Sounds like something's wrong with it if you ask me.

 

what was the point again???

 

Suggestions to you my friend:
#1: Leave your headlights "ON" and they will automatically go "OFF" when you lock the doors (hit the lock button twice). They will automatically go "ON" when you unlock the doors to get back in later.
= AUTOMATIC HEADLIGHTS

#2: Turn down your bass settings to "0, or -2, or -4, etc." until is no longer sounds muddy or muffled to you.
= CLEANER STEREO

#3: Take your bottom of the line Lexus IS 300 unearned superiority complex and uninstall it from your memory. That car was the size of a Corolla and didn't have any balls whatsoever.
= ENJOY THE ACURA, you've just been upgraded for no additional charge.

 

Just a note....he's asking for 'better', not necessarily 'louder.' Very often a sound system that sounds loud is simply a poor system that's overloaded with distortion. Now before the flamers come out, I'm NOT saying the TSX system is poor....because it's a fine system, indeed.

Just realize that LOUD does not necessarily equal high quality sound.

 

Hey little girl, what the fuck you talking about it goes off after a timer. It turns off right after you turn the engine off and on. Like I said, you have to set it on your MID, theres a feature. Just quit bitching like a little girl and enjoy your ride. You going through your mid life crisis?

 

He's talking about auto-headlights and you're talking about auto-off headlights.

Auto-headlights turn themselves on/off based on a light sensor. It can be convenient, but with HID's, I wouldn't want them turning on for a short period constantly in the garage/parking struture/shaded spot/tunnels/etc.

 

Guys, chill out, hes voiced some grievences, which people have countered (with solutions in some cases)

For my own 2 cents: You can access all the voice commands by pressing info (button below setup) and selecting help with voice commands. It displays a list of everything sorted by category. No need for manual, no need for list printed out.

 

Wow, I don't even want to imagine how many more gripes you'd have if you had bought another car instead!

 

Anotther satisfied customer...

Yeah nuts... I would say.. If you wanted RWD you should have gotten it. FWD is not that great in comparison. I do know that most people choose the TL on the price point.

 

I just stumbled on this post, but haven't read all 4 pages of it. But i agree that the system doesn't sound all that great. I mentioned what i thought of it right here. https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130492
Most people think it's a great system because it has a built-in sub and 5.1 surround sound with DVD-A. Well, it WOULD be great if it was built with good components and a more powerful amp. Not sure who said it earlier in this thread, but it does sound muddy and very flat to me. Turning the base and sub down to -2 helps a little, but it doesn't componsate for the overall sound. But if you are comparing this system to other factory systems, then yes, it's one of the better ones out there from what i know. But i'm comparing it to my last car, which i had upgraded in 1994, and this system doesn't compare. I have a pretty good ear for audio, but that's my opinion.
Also, not sure if anyone mentioned, but the 05 was rated at 270 HP. Not 258. Not sure if it's the same for 06 though...

 

Finally, someone who feels the same! I feel they concentrated more on how many speakers they could fit in, dvd-a, subwoofer, etc... instead of the overall quality of the system. I'd rather have 4 speakers and a damn fine sounding system than the subwoofer, center channel, etc.. because dvd-a are rare anyway. They do sound awesome, but i get most of my music for the i-pod. 2 channel sound!

 

the 258 hp rating is based on the new SAE conversion...

 

I really don't get this thread and especially it's original post.

This reminds me of the guy who after he gets married, starts telling everyone what's wrong with his wife. She snores too loud...her cooking stinks....she doesn't like to play golf....etc.

A smart person making a large purchase would research, test drive, and be comfortable with the compromises one has to always make with a decision.

As for the audio comment....I realize that audio is very subjective like almost every other element and feature of the car. I do believe however that I believe most people listening to popular music today...have a warped sense of dynamics. They want "booming" bass...and bright highs....and tend to go in and set the tone controls for bass and trebble at full blast. If there was a "loudness" button...it would also be definately turned on.

People have a very warped sense of quality these days. Cheap home theater systems with 8" subs...and 1" cube speakers give the typical listner what they want....highs and lows...with crap inbetween.

If you look at the reviews from audiophiles out there, the ELS system receives much praise. Yes...Aucra took a gamble in 2002-2003 in putting in DVD-A (this is when the decision had to be made for 2004 model)...and I applaud the risk. Car makers need to take risks...and if it were me I would have headed in the same direction. Acura can't control the fate of DVD-A, DTS or SACD....nor can it control wether XM or Sirius will succeed going forward.

I encourage the poster to go out and buy and Eagles DVD-A....and listen to it in his TL. If he can't appreciate the clearity...the wonderful separation that 5.1 presents...and the distortion free reproduction at all audio volumes....I believe he will be best served in ripping out the stereo...buying some head unit with tons of flashy lights...taking out his back seat....and installing 2 - 12" speakers with a big Fosgate amp.

 

Sure thing, i'll do that this weekend. Please, let's end this. Just by posting you are contributing to this stupid issue. I realize the irony of me posting to say that, so don't bother. I agree with everything you said, was simply asking if others had the same issues. No more, no less, don't make it into something it's not. Acura has done an outstanding job for the most part and I love the car. The End!

 

good lord, last time i checked acurazine was a FORUM
[I]fo·rum ( P ) (fôrm, fr-): [/I] A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or television program.
for all those sour grapes out there who are actually taking this person's observations as a personal attack against their car, RELAX....people are attacking him simply for addressing his "own" observation...lay off! This isn't the "worship TL" blog...its the acura TL FORUM. people have observations, you might not agree with them, i haven't always agreed with some of the things i read here but you don't have to attack someone for simply posting an observation that you may or may not agree with. 80% of this thread is bullsh*t posturing..."oh yeah? bose sucks! try an eagles cd... blah blah blah blah" GIVE ME A BREAK...

 

Right, so what's wrong with people posting their own opinions on his posts? Should we only post when we absolutely agree with the original poster?

But this thread has lost its point... not sure if it had one to begin with, but anyway, ?

 

hell yeah! ha!

 

IMO the TL's audio system is very good or even excellent for a FACTORY system. Sure, some other cars will sound better, maybe even cheaper ones. It does sound thin and muddy on certain music. The subwoofer also has limited range. The center channel is weak and underpowered. But, compare it to other cars and you'll have to admit that it's one of the good ones.

You can't compare factory stereos to aftermarket ones. Carmaker limits itself in spending for the audio components, because it's not the most important selling point in a car. Most people will be very satisfied with average stereo.

However, YOU, can spend whatever thousands $$$ on your stereo system, to accomodate YOUR taste and preference. Of course YOUR aftermarket stereo system MUST sound better to YOU. If not, you'll go out and start tweaking it or replacing the components.

I have a simple setup in my old Accord just before buying this TL. I have Eclipse HU, 2 Soundstream amps, Boston Pro in the front, and Image Dynamics sub. No EQ, no video, nothing other functionalities besides playing music. Honestly, my old stereo did sound better than the TL, but at what cost? For sure I spent waaaay more $$$ than Acura does on each TL.

I also disagree that Acura concentrates on the number of speakers they can fit in the car. The car only has 8 speakers, including center speaker and subwoofer. That's actually bare minimum for a full 5.1 system. There are only 2 tweeters in the cars, because the rear and center speakers are full range ones. Full range speakers never work well, because they must be small enough to reproduce high frequency well and big enough to reproduce the low ones well also. That's a contradicting need.

You may want to have a plain 4-speaker system that sound good enough, but it will NEVER match the quality of your TL's stereo, given the same quality components. 4-speaker system means you only have 4 full range speakers front and rear. It means you're forcing 5 or 6 inch speakers to reproduce high freq and bass at the same time. It will never happen. All you hear is screeching highs and boomy and muddy lows while at the same time killing the midrange.

 

there is nothing wrong if you have something worthwhile to contribute regarding the topic at hand. I wanted to hear everyone else's opinions and observations regarding my concerns with the car. yet all it turned into was a bashing of me! Relax guys, it's just a car!

 

[QUOTE=ndx2]Right, so what's wrong with people posting their own opinions on his posts? Should we only post when we absolutely agree with the original poster? QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with at all. However, i don't condsider the following excerpts to be relevant opinions...just a bunch of assholes with an axe to grind. and yes, this thread has lost all relevance but that is due in large part to so many people acting as though this guy has offended their mother that they can't stay on topic. gimmie a break, he had a relevant opinion...we shouldn't discourage people for making a thoughtful post...and this started out as a thoughtful post.

How are THESE relevant "opinions?"

"BOSE is a crock of shit for quality. I bet you have half a dozen of their little cubes in your house."

"did somebody blind fold you and force you to sign a check?"

"Complaining about insignificant crap which he/she should've known before buying the car and then start throwing insults on the forum is stupid. If those things bother you go buy your farking lexus back."

"Read the manual and stop whining..."

"I will continue the "flaming"....tired of reading the negative posts on such stupid topics!!!"

"YOU MAKE NO SENSE...the radio was rated one of the best by MANY sources."

"You are such a whiner. this is not asking for help. this is just picking on things you don't like."

"what r u gonna do about it? u like, u don't like. u whine or u don't whine. ain't gonna change a thing about ur car."

"i want to see a pic of your car now seriously"

"Just quit bitching like a little girl and enjoy your ride."

 

I couldnt agree with you more. ELS is SHIT!!!!!! It is not nearly lound enough and the quality is no good unless you use DVD-A (who the hell buys that crap) and it is still not great. Now im not a big fan of bose but I had no problem with the bose stereo in my old audi a4. No Mp3 compatability or aux input the HONDA CIVIC has that. Very dissapointed in the TL audio system. I eventually will try and get someone to upgrade the amp and factory speakers at some point. I dont need the best out there but anything is better. Any suggestion? I want to keep a total stock appearance.

 

i can't welcome anyone that doesn't blindly believe that this is the best car in the market without any flaws.

 

My first and only thread so far, was asking about upgrading the speakers, so i feel your pain.
This will lead you to several other links, but i'm not sure you can accomplish an upgrade without changing the appearance. Too detailed to explain here, but you'll see what i mean once you start reading. https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130492

And nobody should be bashing alsedr for stating his views. Read his first line: "First let me say, the TL is a very nice car. I just got mine last week, silver, ebony interior, nav... simply awesome." He loves the car, just not the sounds....so what? I don't like them either, but that's because i consider myself to be somewhat of an audiophile and know what a good system sounds like. I put one in my last car, and my house sounds very very good. The TL is very good for factory, once again, but my ears need more. Am i glad i bought the TL? Damn right! I love the looks, the interior (minus the perforated seats), and the performance. I may upgrade the sounds, but i won't if it's a serious expense.

And i somewhat agree and disagree with 260 hp saying you can't have a 4 speaker system match the TL's, given the same quality components. The head unit and speakers are all made by Panisonic. They make some quality Radios, but i never really liked their speakers. And after doing some research on here, the HU puts out a very weak signal from what i've seen. Yes, DVD-A sounds pretty damn good, even with these components, but i have 350+ CD's. i have 0 DVD-A's at this time. It just would have been nice for Acura to think about what most people listen to in their cars, and that would be the radio and CD's. And how about 6x9's in the read deck instead of 6.5's? They would have reproduced bass well enough for the average listener.
Ok...this is getting to long...just wanted to make a few more points!

 

Ok, need i say more about this post???? If the car was perfect, what would be the point of this forum. To pat each other on the back for buying the car???

 

Personally, i'll probably stick with the stock... even though i'm not happy with it, not worth right now to put in the extra expense in a new system. I'm unsure exactly what is wrong, is it the speakers, does it need an amp, or simply a whole new system. That doesn't look like it's easy to replace if you have the nav. I'd like to keep the whole stock look as well. I'm not one of those guys who fiddle with my car all day long, so not too sure what i'm doing there. That's why when i buy a car, i like everything to already looking and sounding great. I'd also like to get dvd-v on the nav screen. Looks kinda complicated as well, but i'm an idiot when it comes to this kind of stuff.

 

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T LIKE THE PERFORATED SEATS?!?!?! WHAT, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE CAR YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE BUYING PERFORATED LEATHER SEATS??!?!? IF YOU WANT TO BASH THE TL DON'T DO IT ON THIS FORUM. ;-)

 

[QUOTE=brian92873]some people just take things so seriously... the post just about lost all sorts of useful information. and i'm shocked how long it's gotten. shame most of it is pure crap!

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!