What is up with all the complaining? I havent seen a bigger group of internet complainers in a long time. You guys complain about stuff that is unbelievable. You're mad because you got a mark on your windshield? Like it doesnt happen to every car? Or that your paint chips? It's a CAR, a ferrari has road marks on the body and stone marks on its windshield, why wouldnt a TL?

Some of you guys need to go get a hobby instead of complaining about something that is a part of owning a car.

Wow.

 

Aren't you doing the same thing right now, bitching about other people bitching?

 

 

Im bitching, it's different than complaining about retarded things that are considered normality of owning a vehicle.

It's "I hate the TL paint, I hate the TL windshield," all while those things get marked up on any car. Why waste time complaining? What did they buy a tank? No a CAR.

The worst is that they give a bad reputation for this site. I've already seen posts on other forums about how bad the TL must be because the guys on this site bitch and bitch. It's sad. Go buy another car.

 

While there are a good number of cry babies out here - there are also a lot of complaints that are valid and that are not necessarily "part of owning a car". - like back when the falling headliner was a hot issue - I think people can bitch about that one...I think most people just looking to share experiences and/or opinions about stuff - that is what these boards usually amount to - in addition to guys who are looking to troubleshoot a problem or do some mods etc. It makes people feel good I guess to hear other people have had the same problem...I dunno, but yes some people carry on quite a bit about some problems...

 

I agree with that 100%. If a headliner is falling apart, or a moonroof doesnt work, understandable. However road marks, stone marks, rattles, are all part of owning a car.

 

Gotta AGREE too much freeking negativity here...I recommended the site to a co-worker who is a potential buyer and 2 days later he was quetioning whether to buy the car or not...

 

Gotta be honest ... couldn't care less about other guys on other sites and the "reputation" of this site.

Is there a lot of complaining about silly stuff on here? sure ... that could mean a couple of different things:
1) ACURAZINE members are more discriminating car owners and expect better (albeit possibly unrealistic)
2) Alot of the people on here need to get a life
3) Everyone likes to complain about something and the TL doesn't give us anything "Meaty" to be upset about

But I will say this, I have had (and seen) a tremendous amount of support from the other people on this site on everything from car care to troubleshooting to support for the family of another member after his death.

This place rocks .. yes it has a couple of guys who like to post and its easier to find something negative, but you know what ... don't read the threads that bitch ... and to all the trolls who come on here to see who's bitching and then go punking over to another forum ... :whocares:

 

When I came here reading the site I started to question whether or not to buy the TL. I decided that some of the complaints were BS because they fall under normal wear and tear. However I chose to follow professional reports and go with it. (And the four year warranty with a loaner works well)

 

I actually reading about the bitching and mouning. Besides why do u care? Its not like u own the forum? The moderators dont mind either

 

 

By the way, we need more Performance MODs/Parts/everything...

 

I would hope most people who are deciding to purchase or not would not base it on a thread in this site that says "This car sucks because the cup holder squeezed my cup too hard". I guess it is human nature for people to complain rather than compliment. Like Brewmaster said - this car does not have too much to complain about - IMO at least, others have had a bad lemon here and there which happens to all makes and models - go talk to my friend who owns the 2004 350Z - ask him how his tires are wearing...

I agree with you though Steel, some people carry on a little bit too much...but I guess it would be kinda weird if we all just wrote how happy we were. People probably actually go look for stuff so they have something to write...I dunno. This car is 'da bomb. Best car I have ever bought.

 

I agree there are a lot of people that whine about this car. However, rattles are not necessarily a part of owning a car. While they don't necessarily bother some of us they obviously bother a lot of others on the board. Buy a Lexus and see if rattles are a normal thing. Look at even Lexus certified used cars they don't have rattles and they go through one of the most thorough checklists I have seen.

I love my TL and wouldn't trade it for the world. However it wasn't my first choice. If I could afford a GS400 that's without a doubt the car I would be driving now.

I however, don't really have anything to complain about. My TL looks and performs the way I want it too and I am happy with my decision to purchase it.

Forums are a place for people to speak out about their cars whether it be possitive or negative. I just wish the new people would search and revive old threads rather than starting a new thread about the same thing day after day after day. Everyone complains just some more than others.

 

Yeah I definitely love the TL, and am thrilled that my tints are on. Once the A-spec is on I'll take pictures, but I think this is one of the hottest cars on the planet under 40k. (If Not The hottest)

 

I agree that some of this complaining is over the top, but again, some is valad. Unless you are gonna ask for advice for about scrathes and dings go ahead and keep it to yourself.

 

darn it! I hate the TL steering wheel............ it broke my nail

 

Hey! The Main Event is here!

 

"every where i go, i'm the main event"

 

I have to agree that most of what seems to get posted is negative.I started questioning whether to purchase a TL after reading some of this stuff.Made the purchase anyway and love the car so far.

 

I have to also agree. I was lurking around this site for 6 months before I purchased my TL. I actually started having second thoughts because many of these threads made it seem like the car was worse than a 15 year old Hyundai! I ended up buying the car because it is what I wanted. I have ZERO regrets so far.

 

I hate my TL...it doesn't rattle, the headliner doesn't droop, and since there isn't anything to complain about...I HATE IT!!!!!

 

I've noticed the complaints too
I guess the lack of mods/racers leaves nothing but complaining

 

I am sorry, I overlooked this earlier. Dont mean to sidetrack, but we lost a forum member?

 

Steel, you sound like the type of person that buys a car and just "uses" it, and that's great. Many others probably wish they could feel that way about their auto so they wouldn't stress as much.
Also, an issue one may complain about may not be an issue for someone else. The fact of the matter is, most of the complaints are legitimate "issues" with the TL. Why do I feel this way? Because I have experienced 90% of the posted issues on my car, not to mention they are collaborated by numerous other forum members each time. Steel/others, we are unaware of how many vehicles you have worked hard for, payed for yourself, etc.. But many of the so called "complainers"on this forum have had many new vehicles prior to the TL, including myself. Sure, some may go overboard with their complaining. But for a "Honda, let alone Acura", the TL has had numerous (and I say to many) continuing issues from the 04's to 05's..
It's most likely not the fact that folks complain about all cars, this one just stands out.... Overall, if the shoe fits Acura, wear it....


Like most of us here, I love my TL. But that doesn't stop me from admitting that out of the 8 new car purchases I made in the last 12 years, the TL has by far had the most issues (and was the second most expensive).

Just the facts....

Cheer

 

Well said! Without people discussing problems with their cars in this forum, I wouldn't have been able to trouble shoot several or my own, such as flatspotting EL42, sagging headliner, minor rattles, etc. Honestly, if some of you didn't talk about the problems with the original version of EL42, I wouldn't have known and gotten the updated tires!

I actually come to his forum to hear about problems and solutions, not to look into increase the horse power by 1000.

 

I got to agree there... I have experience many of the issues as well. And it was the second most expensive car that I have bought. I have had 12 new cars and the TL has been the second worst car for problems. And I am comparing it to GM and chrysler products as well. Sure it is more refined than many of the models, I am just at a point in my life where I want to wash it, gas it, maintain it and go.. I do not want to spend my weekends trying to troubleshoot a problem. But more importantly I do not want to be teaching the dealership about issues with the car. This I learned years ago is a problem when you purchase a new car. The dealer is getting used to it at the same time you are...

 

crazymjb: We lost Red-CL. An OG from the old days of Acura-CL.com. Search for info you want to find out more.

Steel: About the complaining over crap. That's just the way it is. I do get frustrated sometimes, but I keep reading threads because of some valuable members on this site. I can go on and on, with listing usernames of those who have helped me; and at the end of the day that's why I'm here.

To look for help, and to help other owners with their questions.

 

thats why i stopped coming to this forum. i used to come on here almost daily for a while. now i stop by once a month because i cant stand all the complainers.

 

bitching bitching~ i hate this word.

 

I have three things to add to this conversation.

#1 - I agree with Steel overall, but I still feel this is an excellent place to come and discuss problems with the car.

#2 - That is EXACTLY why I asked for a sub-forum for issues & resolutions. It would be a place where with TLs can go to post about a problem they are having and to look up possible resolutions quickly and easily. I strongly believe the GENERAL TL forum is not the place for it. One of the mods added a poll to my thread about this so you can go vote, and if the vote goes well, we can push the admins to create this sub-forum:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115358

#3 - People have GOT to remember two things when it comes to issues with the 3GTLs, especially the '04 models. First of all the car is the first year of a complete redesign, and the price you pay to be the first new owners is that all of the issues haven't been 100% resolved. Secondly, the TL has been wildly successful, and Acura has had to boost production to meet the demand. Those two factors will ALWAYS lead to an increase of problems. If you look at the numbers of complaints about the '05 year compared to the '04, there is a huge drop. That's because many of the '04 issues have been addressed. Are they all gone? No. But's it's improvement. And the '06 should only be better next year.

But I have to agree, with so many people complaining AND doing it in the general forums, we as Acura TL owners are becoming part of the reason there is a perception that Acura remains a tier below Lexus, BMW, and MB.

 

I agree with that.

I though would add that most major complaints are those that Acura/poor dealerships immediately label "characteristic" to the vehicle, vs owning up to the issue and engineering a fix. This is what I call a case of "abandonment".
Not that it's an excuse for a manufacturer to abandon a customer, but #3 above is key. The first year is always critical R&D time for any car...

 

IMHO I can say that in having owned numerous Honda's I have joined many car sites mostly to check on other peoples opinions about the particular vehicle I happen to drive or own at the time and seeing people complain about things that could eventually happen to me gives me feedback and leverage when having to go to the dealer and say......"this same problem happened to other owners, here is a printout of the website..."...
For example I had read that there was a problem with a crack on the windshiled of the Element and when it happen to me I was able to get it changed at no charge, like the cracked leather seats on my RSX , now I have seen these same vehicles with the same problems and the folks that own them don't know that they can have the dealer take care of them, so they live with it....
So keep on talking about things that are important to the thread starter....if it's not important to me I'll go to the next one but will never make a comment about it...ehem like some ppl did when I posted about ......"where do you put your trash....."...... https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=trash

 

And what may I say is this Steel?? You posted this afterwards.

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/best-%245-youll-spend-long-long-time-115530/

I guess you need a hobby as well.

 

I believe that would be called sarcasm.

 

That's called SEVERE sarcasm! I was complaining about break dust which was eluding to the sad issues that come up.



Let me say this:

I understand the whole come on the forum to learn to diagnose/fix mistakes. I am all for that and believe it is an important part of the internet forum. It allows people to find the issues faster, fix those issues faster, and in many cases be armed with knowledge to deal with a dealership for warranty work. My complaint is not about sagging headliners, or navigation systems that dont work. It's about the people complaining that they have rock chips, or that their windshield has a mark after it was hit with a stone. THOSE things are part of owning cars, those things happen to any car, and those things dont belong (IMO) in general forum where people come to get input.

I know personally that I came here to learn about the TL before I went and bought it. I was almost swayed by the negativity and then realized that most of it was utter BS. (Things that are normal wear and tear)

Dont get me wrong, I am as anal about a car as the next extreme enthusiast. However with that I realize that certain things are unavoidable: Chips, scratches, noises, discoloration, etc.

I use my car but I love my car, all of them. Im just as anal with the Grand Cherokee as I am the Vette, and the truth is each have similiar issues. They have some rattles, they have some road marks, and that's part of owning cars. (Although the Vette is nearly flawless! )

The point is that when it comes to real issues that should exist, coming to a forum is a great place to get help and learn how to deal with the issue. When it comes to stupid little complaints, you start to drive away the masses with the overload of negativity. (And it almost happened to me)


Now as for this thing called SARCASM:

I think some people on this forum need to figure it out. I can't believe that a few people took that post about break dust seriously. Wow.

sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.