SilverJ

I have a 04 6 speed tl that has squealing brakes at 42,000 miles. It is my commuter car and I do not drive it hard IMHO. Anyway the acura dealer gave me a quote of like 540.00 to do the front pads which includes resurfacing the rotors.
I called a honda dealer and they can do it for about 335.00---same pads.
Is there something the honda dealer may be missing ?
And if the acura dealer charges 540 or so is it 190.00 for the parts(the brembo shoes) and 350.00 for the labor ??

XjoEnX

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damn what a rip, if you can do it yourself then get brake pads here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura...temZ8002435726

and take your rotors off and bring it to kragen, they resurface rotors for about $10 each.

chill_dog

The extra money is to bend you over...

drdamian

its really easy to do.. I did mine myself, but i didn't turn or resurface the rotors... overall the job took me about 1.5 hours with breaks.. not sure where in pa you are at. maybe i can help you if you want.

dennisil

they remind you that brembos are expensive

havokgroup

The brake pads (Brembo) themselves are $203.23. The shop charges 1.5 hour to put on the pads and 1.0 to resurface the rotors. Our dealership charges $95.00 per hour, so labor comes out to be: $237.50 plus tax and shop fees. If it was done at your shop the price would be roughly: $440.73 without the tax and shop fees.

As far as Honda goes I don't think any of those cars use the Brembo 4 piston brake set up. I would have to check with my friends on the Honda side.

subinf

When I called the dealer last year to see how much the pads were the parts guy was shocked to quote 240something. Glad I went aftermarket.

mn2trance

$500?! Damn! I was quoted $300 something when I went in for my B1 service last time and they had noticed that my Brembo pads were getting to be pretty thin. I've found some Brembo pads online for $73 shipped and I'm not sure if that's aftermarket or OEM.

Eoanou

It doesn't matter if you get aftermarket or OEM brake pads either way you'll need to purchase them yourself. Just make sure they'll help maintain peak stopping power and because that's all that matters.

dennisil

my response was in reference to the initial question posed, 500$ for brembo brake job what do they do, (they remind you that brembos are expensive) , if you need further explanation look below.

subinf

No way, you were being sarcastic?

havokgroup

Lol Lol Lol

SilverJ

Well to me --brakes are brakes are brakes.
I will take my car to the honda dealer and have them do it for 330.00 or so.
I realize I could do it myself but I dont have the time--
Screw acura with their 5-600.00 brake job. 330.00 is still a little high but nowhere near the acura rip off price.

Legend2TL

That looked like a great price for OEM the Brembo pads but those are for the automatic. The Brembo pads are 45022-SEP-A52.

Xx06SickspdTlxX

If you take it to the honda dealer make sure that you get the special brembo pads and the special brembo grease, i would be a little wiery taking it to honda because of the lack of knowledge on these calipers, i work as a tech at my honda dealer and we dont have any vehicles with those upgraded calipers. Plus there is a special tool to remove the pin on the calipers, that might be handy but im sure there are other ways to remove the pin!

HiTEC

Brakes jobs are the biggest rip off out there (not this on the Brembo's). I talk to people at work and in general that tell me how much they paid to have their brakes done, and I just shake my head. Rip off!

I always do all my own wrenching, but dealers are probably the worst offender, but other shops do the same. Doing brakes are easy, it's just a dirty job.

DMZ

The only reason I let the dealer do my brakes is the way they resaurface the rotors. All Acura and Honda dealers have the machine that does them ON THE CAR. That way, the new surface is perfectly aligned with your car's front suspension and wheel spindle. This may sound like BS to some, but from my experience with my previous Hondas, doing them this way leads to fewer problems down the road like noise. You might get lucky and find a brake shop that has this machine.

Acura of Manhattan quoted me $415 and wound up giving me 10% off.
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swift22

in the automotive field brakes are the biggest money maker hands down(i am a mechanic)...(besides tires maybe)

BUT what about that rusty accord with 140k on it where the pins are corroded and the rotors are rusted on to hub??? lol...or the lines are rusting out...lol


anyways on newer cars with go front caliper design(honda) i can throw new rotors, pads, clean and lube everything in about 30-45min and out door(i drive it to seat the pads too)



On car lathes are just quicker...not any more accurate... a tech can do two brake jobs at once if he wanted.

Most just replace rotors now.

Caprirooster

So it is necessary to have brand new rotors resurfaced OEM or aftemarket? I always thought that you just take off the old rotors and just put on the new. I will have to do that in a month or so.

Cap

Legend2TL

I've replaced rotors on ~7-8 Honda's and Acura's both with OEM and aftermarket. None of the new rotors ever required resurfacing, so to answer your question no you do not need to resurface.

I agree with DMZ that the preferred way to resurface the Honda/Acura rotors is on the vehicle. The big problem is that cost almost as much as new aftermarket rotors so usually I just get new rotors when they are worn to near the limit or warped. When installing new pads I have not resurfaced Honda/Acura rotors in many years, and I've had great results. One thing I do is also clean the rotor off with brake cleaner when chaning the pads.

johnny--2k

I would not go to the honda dealership. Chances are they think a 6-speed TL is just like a 6-speed accord, and they wont know that the TL has Brembo's. They most likely just think that it is the standard honda caliper up front like the auto TL and all Accords.

Be VERY careful if you go to a honda dealership.

berite100

its for the extra lub they are using while they are bending you over.

havokgroup

To remove the pins on the Brembo brakes is fairly easy, I just use a small screwdriver to tap both pins out. I only problem I see doing this at home or outside the dealership is having the tool to push the pistons back. Here at the shop we have the tool that slides in between the rotor and brake pistons. The tool has to plates to are the same size as the pads themselves and a know to spread the plates apart. Other than that brake jobs are fairly easy and quick to do. I have done several brake replacement without the need of resurfacing the rotors. The only time I even recommend a resurface is when I'm doing a test drive and there is vibration when braking.

rka4570

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The Brembo/Acura pads are for sale on Ebay for $130.00.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura...temZ8002435738

snavarrette

There you go. right from the cats mouth! $130.00 new pads all the way around and 30min. of your time. that is what they give you for $500.00!! save yourself some money buy someone a nice gift and DIY!! pleny of threads on how to change brakes. it's easy!!!

GunnmeTaLCURA04

Hey, I work for dealer, and a brake job pays 1.5 hours.

Maybe these kinds of brakes are a bit more expensive, but 350 in labor.. hmm check dealer rates. Maybe Acura has higher rate than Honda.

Buy parts and go to local brake shop.

kappa821

hahaha........yes it is

SilverJ

thanks for all the replies guys. I know you all say its easy to do but keep in mind --I almost NEVER work on my car and whats second nature to some is very difficult to a novice like myself. Ive changed tires and spark plugs in cars...thats about it.
I will speak with the honda tech before I let them work on the car. Does anyone recommend other pads I can get besides the brembos ? Which happen to create WAYYYY too much brake dust IMHO. Also is there any other part I would need besides the brake pads ?

geekybiker

If you're worried about dust, try the hawk ceramic one that tirerack carries. Ceramic pad dust less, have lighter colored dust that matches wheels better, and generally are quieter.

ndabunka

All this tlak about replacing rotors makes it sound like most people on here don't do the brake work until after it's already too late. Unless the breaks have somehow "worn" into the rotors, I don't think there is any need/reason to either turn or replace the rotors, right?

drdamian

i have rotax kevlars... hardly any brake dust, no noise at all- even in cold weather, great stopping power..

ndabunka

To the original poster... There is no reason to not trust Honda for the work. Afterall, this IS a Honda. I had the same exact issue when I wanted to get my transmission oil changed as a component of the b2 service (or whichever one it is that recommends the tranny fluid change). After breaking down what I was willing to do vs. what the Acura dealership wanted to do, the only thing I wasn't willing to risk (on my own effort0 was the tranny replacement. Acura wanted $125 whereas the (closer located) Honda dealer only wanted $35.00. I verified that the EXACT same fluids and filters would be used and then had Honda do the work. Very happy with the lower cost and same result approach this provided.

Same thing on the Lexus/Toyota deal. I also owned one of the mid-sized Lexus SUV's (GX470) and although my wife liked the fact that we ALWAYS got a loaner car (even if it was only there for a oil change - she could go shopping and not have to wait), the Toyota dealership was closer and the work was covered by any future warranty claims. Price @ Toyota for Oil change... $35. Price @ Lexus $89...only difference was the rental car luxury, the luxury of the seating materials in the waiting room, treatment (Lexus does give attentive service, etc). Unfortunately, Acura doesn't quite understand this approach so the level of the service @ Acura is actually pretty darn close to the service levels at the honda dealership IMHO.

bmaczo6

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MakeTrack=true

I ran these pads on my M3 and they were fine. If you have changed tires your half way there. Ideally, it would be good to have someone around that has done it before to walk you through it. Once you done it you will realize how much money you can save for very little work. Post up and ask for help and I would bet someone would be willing to give you a hand for lunch or a couple of beers.

psheu

Wow. $500 that's how much my dealer charge me to install the brand new Brembo setup on my 05 Auto w/Navi. I had new knockle, Brembo rotors, Calipers, new Pads, Brake lines, Hub, Bearings installed. I used the dealer service so my warrenty won't be voided. $500 is a bit steep for what they're charging you. The Brembo brake pads are ~$200 each set so (X2) you'll get close to $400. There are other better alternatives that's cheaper and better. my new pads (low dust) cost me $120 for the front 2 sets total. I think the warrenty labor rate for acura is ~$80-90/hr. My brake job they quoted me 7 hrs

AcLove

The price difference is just the Acura premium, its really funny actually. It reminds me of the time I was getting plugs and wires from the dealer for my girlfriends dads lexus ES 300. The wires were like 116 bucks but they werent in stock, so I was like lets just go to Toyota and get some wires for an avalon, Im sure they fit, its the same friggin engine, they were like 82 bucks for the same part! I even made lexus price match the plugs that we had already bought from them, another 18 bucks back!

S14 n Tsx

I wish I had some brembo breaks.

j.chino

Ok quick question for those of you that have done the brakes yourselves: What did you use to compress the pistons? I've always used a C- clamp. So what was used, cuz I was quoted about 5 and change too, and I ain't rich so DIY.

As far as the Honda, Acura question, I went to the dealer in Wilmington NC, they are both Honda and Acura, the difference is the price of the brakes, when I asked the Parts Guy about the brakes he said they should run about 60 bucks, then I said I got the Brembos...He looked them up and told me the magical price of 180 plus.

So make sure you specify what you need. If the rest can give me info on how to compress the pistons... I would greatly aprreciate it.

HEK

I've done brakes on all my vehicles ( have not done my TL yet ) and have never resurfaced any rotor. If you have an automatic and live in a warm State like FL, CA or TX then most times the rotors warp and they need to be resurfaced.
The pads "mold" to the rotors as these are of a softer material , therefore don't resurface your rotors unless you feel the brake pedal pulsating ...
$500....damn I'm in the wrong business....
Oh by the way if you have a Autozone near by rent a brake kit that will cost you $30 so that you can compress the calipers, now if you don't return the kit, you get to keep it and the charge goes thru into your credit card and or debit card.....

mn2trance

I just changed out my Brembo brake pads with Hawk HPS yesterday. I've never done a brake job before so I had enlisted the help of a friend. Thanks to this thread https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...errerid=173134 it really helped with the work. We had used a flathead screw driver to compress the pistons back. Now my pads are squeaking off and on even from following the bed in process from Hawk.

Tripnbeats

2 pins on each caliper take the old pads out clean the caliper,pop the new ones in with the grease they come with and you dont need to resurface the rotors unless they are warped.... or this is at least what the shop manager told me at acura