Acura - awd, 300 hp RL sedan "Autoweek"
01-26-2004, 11:41 AM
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Acura - awd, 300 hp RL sedan "Autoweek"
****those of us thinking about the new TL, I suggest you wait a few more months, and we might have a very interesting dilema on our hands. ***Eventhough RL models are more luxo than sport, it would be perfect for the wife and kid.***
08:21 Jan. 26, 2004)
Acura plays catch-up with upcoming awd, 300 hp RL sedan
By KATHY JACKSON AND DALE JEWETT
Automotive News
Acura this fall will equip its flagship RL sedan with all-wheel drive and a 300-hp V-6 engine to challenge luxury rivals who offer rear-drive and V-8s, dealers and analysts say. A hybrid gasoline-electric powertrain also could be part of the package.
Acura would not confirm the plan. But at least eight Acura dealers say the division has told them about the 300-hp V-6 with awd. And two analysts, citing conversations with suppliers and people close to the company, support dealer reports that the RL will have a hybrid powertrain.
Such a move would show that American Honda Motor Co. is taking a unique approach - a hybrid geared as much for performance as fuel economy - in a bid to elevate its luxury brand's flagship sedan.
"The next RL will show that Honda continues to think out of the box with powertrains, and that you don't necessarily need a V-8 for luxury cars," says analyst Michael Robinet, vice president of global forecast services for CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich.
The current RL - with front-wheel drive and a 225-hp, 3.5-liter V-6 - has undersold comparable sedans from import rivals Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz. Most high-end luxury cars in the United States have V-8 engines and rwd.
The 2004 RL begins at $43,725, including destination. The nameplate's U.S. sales peaked at 16,004 in 1997.
Last year, Acura sold 6,829 RLs, down 27.3 percent from 2002. Lexus sold 23,895 LS 430 sedans; BMW sold 46,964 5-series cars; and Mercedes-Benz sold 55,683 E-class models.
A concept of the redesigned 2005 RL will be shown at the New York auto show in April.
In the past, Acura and Honda concept vehicles have closely resembled the production version.
Acura dealers will see the new RL at their annual dealer meeting Aug. 26 in Chicago. "This will be a big step for us," said one dealer, who, like other dealers, didn't want his name used. "A V-8 is not crucial."
Honda Motor Co. Ltd. does not make V-8 engines. All Acura vehicles are fwd, with the exception of the MDX SUV, which has awd, and the NSX premium sports car, which has rwd.
In an October interview with Automotive News, American Honda Executive Vice President Thomas Elliott said the company was near its limit for increasing horsepower on its fwd platform and soon would decide how to increase power for each of its Acura models.
"We're really close to making a decision on a hybrid," he said, adding that the vehicle could be powered by a 300-hp engine in the front plus 100-hp electric motor in the back. He also said the company was considering awd but not rwd.
At this month's Detroit auto show, Honda Motor Co. CEO Takeo Fukui said the company's strategy was to develop cleaner and more fuel-efficient engines that are fun to drive.
He said the company's cylinder deactivation system, which is designed to deliver greater fuel economy with no sacrifice in performance, would be introduced in the United States this fall on the new Honda V-6 Accord hybrid.
The Accord would be the first V-6 model to use the company's hybrid technology and the first hybrid to use the cylinder deactivation system. He said the deactivation system also would be applied to another V-6 model that would be introduced this year, but he would not identify that vehicle.
08:21 Jan. 26, 2004)
Acura plays catch-up with upcoming awd, 300 hp RL sedan
By KATHY JACKSON AND DALE JEWETT
Automotive News
Acura this fall will equip its flagship RL sedan with all-wheel drive and a 300-hp V-6 engine to challenge luxury rivals who offer rear-drive and V-8s, dealers and analysts say. A hybrid gasoline-electric powertrain also could be part of the package.
Acura would not confirm the plan. But at least eight Acura dealers say the division has told them about the 300-hp V-6 with awd. And two analysts, citing conversations with suppliers and people close to the company, support dealer reports that the RL will have a hybrid powertrain.
Such a move would show that American Honda Motor Co. is taking a unique approach - a hybrid geared as much for performance as fuel economy - in a bid to elevate its luxury brand's flagship sedan.
"The next RL will show that Honda continues to think out of the box with powertrains, and that you don't necessarily need a V-8 for luxury cars," says analyst Michael Robinet, vice president of global forecast services for CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich.
The current RL - with front-wheel drive and a 225-hp, 3.5-liter V-6 - has undersold comparable sedans from import rivals Lexus, BMW and Mercedes-Benz. Most high-end luxury cars in the United States have V-8 engines and rwd.
The 2004 RL begins at $43,725, including destination. The nameplate's U.S. sales peaked at 16,004 in 1997.
Last year, Acura sold 6,829 RLs, down 27.3 percent from 2002. Lexus sold 23,895 LS 430 sedans; BMW sold 46,964 5-series cars; and Mercedes-Benz sold 55,683 E-class models.
A concept of the redesigned 2005 RL will be shown at the New York auto show in April.
In the past, Acura and Honda concept vehicles have closely resembled the production version.
Acura dealers will see the new RL at their annual dealer meeting Aug. 26 in Chicago. "This will be a big step for us," said one dealer, who, like other dealers, didn't want his name used. "A V-8 is not crucial."
Honda Motor Co. Ltd. does not make V-8 engines. All Acura vehicles are fwd, with the exception of the MDX SUV, which has awd, and the NSX premium sports car, which has rwd.
In an October interview with Automotive News, American Honda Executive Vice President Thomas Elliott said the company was near its limit for increasing horsepower on its fwd platform and soon would decide how to increase power for each of its Acura models.
"We're really close to making a decision on a hybrid," he said, adding that the vehicle could be powered by a 300-hp engine in the front plus 100-hp electric motor in the back. He also said the company was considering awd but not rwd.
At this month's Detroit auto show, Honda Motor Co. CEO Takeo Fukui said the company's strategy was to develop cleaner and more fuel-efficient engines that are fun to drive.
He said the company's cylinder deactivation system, which is designed to deliver greater fuel economy with no sacrifice in performance, would be introduced in the United States this fall on the new Honda V-6 Accord hybrid.
The Accord would be the first V-6 model to use the company's hybrid technology and the first hybrid to use the cylinder deactivation system. He said the deactivation system also would be applied to another V-6 model that would be introduced this year, but he would not identify that vehicle.
01-26-2004, 11:51 AM
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Thanks for the news. Can't wait! If this happens, it should satisfy critics of the FWD TL who want another drivetrain--if AWD appears on the RL, it can't be too far behind for the TL.
And the hybrid engine speaks for itself.
And the hybrid engine speaks for itself.
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Yeah, that article just confims what I've been speculating as well as more solid info I have heard from people "in the know".
Its good stuff and we'll hopefully know a LOT by April.
Its good stuff and we'll hopefully know a LOT by April.
01-26-2004, 12:27 PM
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Yeah, my only complaint is that they're going to probably upmarket it to compete with the LS lexus, and the price will likely be in the 50s.
But I betcha its gonna be a sweet ride.
But I betcha its gonna be a sweet ride.
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Originally posted by silveraccord
Yeah, my only complaint is that they're going to probably upmarket it to compete with the LS lexus, and the price will likely be in the 50s.
But I betcha its gonna be a sweet ride.
Yeah, my only complaint is that they're going to probably upmarket it to compete with the LS lexus, and the price will likely be in the 50s.
But I betcha its gonna be a sweet ride.
01-26-2004, 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ken1997TL
Maybe so but Acura has needed to do something about the RL for quite some time. It was a good car but it shouldn't have been a flagship.
Maybe so but Acura has needed to do something about the RL for quite some time. It was a good car but it shouldn't have been a flagship.
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01-26-2004, 05:13 PM
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Anyone else think that it will be more than 300hp? I mean, even a detuned TL engine w/ IMA would put out around 350hp. And 300hp doesn't give the TL much room to increase in power/performance without cannibalizing RL sales.
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I think an IMA engine will have more than 300 hp when you add the combined hp of the gasoline and electric engines together. I'm thinking that the V6 will have 300 hp and the electric will add more on top of that for the RL.
01-26-2004, 06:46 PM
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shouldn't it be 400 combined hp? 300 front, 100 rear? and as far as the RL not being the flagship, that car is an awesome car and it deserves to be the flagship. besides, what car would be the flagship if the RL wasn't?
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Re: Acura - awd, 300 hp RL sedan "Autoweek"
Originally posted by j-maverick He said the company's cylinder deactivation system, which is designed to deliver greater fuel economy with no sacrifice in performance, would be introduced in the United States this fall on the new Honda V-6 Accord hybrid.
The Accord would be the first V-6 model to use the company's hybrid technology and the first hybrid to use the cylinder deactivation system. He said the deactivation system also would be applied to another V-6 model that would be introduced this year, but he would not identify that vehicle.
The Accord would be the first V-6 model to use the company's hybrid technology and the first hybrid to use the cylinder deactivation system. He said the deactivation system also would be applied to another V-6 model that would be introduced this year, but he would not identify that vehicle.
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