MyPearl02

i pulled up on a 3rd gen last night on my way home im thinking it was all stock. all of a sudden i heard a honk and he took off he got a lil jump on me about 3/4 car length and i stood on it and passed him quite quick and pulled on him all the way till 120 then i let off check another one off the kill list hahaha

TylerT

iTrader: (1)

The exhaust / headers / intake must have helped. .

Nice kill.

pohljm

yeah, sucks, but true the headers on a 2nd gen make it faster than a bolted 3rd gen

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

Fixed.

EL Cubano

so a fully bolted 2nd gen 5at beats a fully bolted 3rd gen 5at?

pohljm

yes it does, we have no answer for true headers

bigBLACKTL

how come a 2nd gen is faster than the 3rd gen, never really understood, do the 2nd gen type-s make more power or what?

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

It's really too close to make a blanket statement that the 2G is faster. They're both 93-96 mph cars in stock form. Some seem to think the drive-by-wire throttle hurts the 3G somewhat, which is certainly plausible. The 3G 5AT puts ~8-10 more hp to the wheels.

EL Cubano

we talking about the base though right? or will a fully bolted 2nd gen take a 3rd gen type-s?

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

It's certainly possible. You'd better break out the credit card and start buying bolt-ons.

EL Cubano

lol been there done that. im fully bolted just curious about the 2nd gens beating 3rd gens.

pohljm

I was saying a 2nd gen 5AT with headers beats 3rd gen 5AT, not a blanket statement that 2nd beats 3rd

DC3328

iTrader: (22)

its a tl-p with headers, i dont know what the 3rd gen has
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2py2Dy8ghDI

ib18c1

iTrader: (6)

There are TWO 3G TLs in the video:
Far Lane Anthracite 3g TL 5at: (just driver)
AEM CAI, UR Pulley, Sebring Catback, 3rd Cat delete, IM and TB spacers

NBP 2g TL-P: (just driver)
Injen CAI, XS Headers

Camera Car 3g TL 5at: (driver and cameraman)
Apexi SRI, ATLP catback



Pretty much a TL-p with just cai and headers are a drivers race with a 3g with just cold air intake systems....if the 3g had full bolt ons such as cai, jpipe, pulley, testpipe, exhaust, precats vs a fully bolted on TL-P the 3g would win.




Now about the TL-S with headers....I think it would be a even race if the 3g had precat deletes...the OP had I/H/E so the bolt ons were already uneven...just saying it would be a drivers race if the bolt ons were the same

As for a stock 6mt 3g vs bolted on 2g TL-S...that should be a close drivers race, edge towards the 6mt after 3rd gear

ib18c1

iTrader: (6)

This is the rematch between the camera car 3g and the 2g tl-p from the video above....this time just drivers in the car, no passenger so it's more fair:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL0WKCJr7PM

DC3328

iTrader: (22)

^thats actually JJashaa (2nd gen) in those vids, in the description he said he had a bad start, but the next two races that werent filmed were neck and neck

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

I wasn't really referring to you, but what are you basing your claim on?? I don't think there's enough empirical data to make such a close call. Very few TL owners hit the strip. Stock, they're both very high 14 second cars at best and I bet most are only low 15's.

The 2G makes around 200 whp stock and the 3G around 210. If the 2G gains 25-30 from headers and the 3G gains 15-20 from the pre-cat deletes, they're roughly equal. I'd figure N/A with full bolt-ons, both cars could put down 245 whp, give or take. Too close in power, weight, transmission etc. to say one is faster.

pohljm

my claims are based upon racing them. pre cat deletes will not make up for true headers. there is nothing we 3rd gens can do in that regard. I have procats, but it wont beat the free flow you get from headers

anx1300c

iTrader: (2)

So what were the ET's and MPH?

erick3

yeah, not surprising. those damn headers make such a huge difference.

ANYONE know if the 3rd gens have some sort of substitution in place for the headers? aside from the other mods of course...

Majofo

You remove your precats.. pretty much the best you can do.

pohljm

no et and mph, just wins and losses on the street with local aziners

pohljm

and that still doesnt come close to headers.

erick3

^ sad

Majofo

I wouldn't say that.. the gains of removing the cats / going stage 3 / CAI is almost 300whp on the 3G. You can't match that in a 2G.

Soseductivesf

What about the Jpipe? anyhow my fully bolted 2g type s is just as fast as my 08 type s when it was stock. I've driven a loaner 3g non s and it didn't feel as quick as my 03 when it was stock..However i've never driven a modded 3g base...

Soseductivesf

not on a BASE TL...maybe a type s but even 300whp is hard to accomplish on that.. maybe the 6mt's..

bonknhead

300whp from removing cats, stage 3 exhaust and a CAI? That must be on a 3G 6MT TL-S, right?

I can't see how that would add 90whp on a base 5AT. I don't think even the CT SC (alone, w/o other bolt-ons) can add 90whp on a base 5AT.

Majofo

my bad.. J35 / type-s..

MyPearl02

i have no clue if he was moded or not i dont think he was an it was just a base 3g i didnt think that i even had a chance till i let off at 120 and then he went by i was like wow

RJNN TL

What would happen if Stock TL 2G VS a 3G TL(CAI)? The 2G is Stock and the 3G has a Cold Air Intake.

Majofo

3G.. but it always depends on the drivers.

RJNN TL

I say the 2g and 3g are damn close.

Majofo

are you talking about a 2G type-s?.. I hope so.

jjashaa

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haha, wtf.. you guys found my video....

2K2SilverTL-S

The 2nd gen TL-S has a much quicker shifting auto tranny than the 3rd gen auto. The fact that the 3rd gen Auto gets off the throttle via the drive by wire system between shifts hurts. Also, the 2nd gen weighs less that the 3rd gen.

Having had both, acceleration wise the 2nd gen TL-S> 3rd gen base auto.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Ah, that's right, that's why whenever I watch youtube videos, there's something funny with the 3G auto, it's the fact that it gets off the throttle when shifting.....

F23A4

Having driven both myself a few times,

ts_vaj

I'll have to see one of these days if I catch a 3G TL on a empty freeway. I notice alot of the modded 3G owners around my town drive a little heavy footed on the freeway. Wanna see how close I can hang with a 3G TL-S lol.