bkzjimmy

my friend has a accord coupe...i drove it and didnt like it. too stiff on the stearing and the gas pedal was stiff too. to tell you the truth, i think my tl-p is faster!

anyone in a tl-p race a accord coupe?? and if u did, what was the out- come??

againstallodds1

I raced a 6 cyl accord coupe with my 5 auto 05 tl. I have exhaust, ur pulley, and aem cai. We didnt race from a stop because he cheated.... The story goes as we were flying down the AC expressway in and out of traffic, stupid on my part I know but the traffic was light.... We got to the toll and I have easy pass, so I go through slow and I stopped at the end of the toll so he could see me. He goes through rolling and throws the change into the toll and goes.... Now I am up a little waiting for him to pay the toll, and for him to pull up and stop so we could race. He throws the money in and goes.. So he was moving and by the time I see that he is cheating I step on it and he is 3 car lenghs in front of me... We are both floored and no one is pulling for a little.. I am pretty sure he let off the throttle because at 60mph I passed him nicely.. He had too of let off. I dont know what was done to it but it was fast. They are 3.0 liters but very light I think.... I would of liked to race him from a dead stop. Cheater lost any way, he slowed down and I passed him and hit my hazzards.

sbuswell

I has an encounter a few mnths ago before I had the UR pulley or CAI w/03 V6 coupe on highway. we were both doing 60mph and gunned it almost exactly the same time and it was even until 85-90mph and he started to inch ahead, shut it down at 100-105mph and he 1/3-1/2 CL on me. Now I think I could beat that same car easily. BTW it was an auto. A 6-spd 05 AV6 would probably still beat me by a very small margin.

Actuary

accords are pretty light. what the heck did honda put in our cars to make it 3500lbs?

03CoupeV6

I have both.

Stock 2005 Accord EX-V6 Coupe 5AT
Stock 2002 Acura TL-P

I've raced both several times against each other (with a partner, swapping cars to make it fair). The TL gets the Accord off the line and maintains a slight (1/2 car length) lead to 80mph, when we shut down. After 80 I suspect the Accord's superior horsepower to allow it to catch up and probably pull ahead of the TL, but never by much.

Peak torque figures are nearly identical (216 for the TL, 212 for the Accord at the crank), so all I can figure is that the TL produces more torque at a lower RPM and this allows it to pull away from the AV6 from the take off.

reloaded

In regards to the 2004 Accord Coupe V6 Auto, those are pretty damn fast. I was driving my friend's accord the other day and was able to punch it quite a bit and I must say, it's "comparable" to the TL-S. Even on the roll, it had a similar pull like the TL when i punched the gas.

I've actually never raced it with my TL but he wants to run so maybe this weekend we'll see and i'll post the results. I'm pretty sure it'll be damn close.

Anybody with accord v6 experience?

03CoupeV6

Did you miss my post?

chewi

The Accords are slower b/c they use regular gas......j/k

Ken1997TL

Put premium in the J30 motor and it gets a few extra horses. Its not BS or speculation and comes directly from Honda engineers.

Ken1997TL

An extra 200 pounds worth of sound deadening material, no fold down seats (instead the rear bulkhead is reinforced), thicker glass and a few gadgets add up

chewi

Accords are slower b/c they put in regular gas,but the TL's use Premium gas which gives them more advantage.........J/K

bkzjimmy

well knowing that u have both....i'll take ur word for it

ha ha.....my cars faster than my friends!!!! lol

03CoupeV6

Your results may vary - all cars are different.

I run 87 octane in both TL-P and AV6, not sure how the race would come out if I used 93 in both.

03Sheermax

I would think the Accord V6 would be faster since it weighs quite a bit less and puts out more power.

F23A4

On paper, the 7G AV6 seems to have a more favorable power:weight.

3.2TL -- 225hp/216lb-ft:3,447lbs (15.3lbs/hp)

vs

7G AV6C - 240hp/212lb-ft:3,294lbs (13.7lbs/hp)

Monte TLS,MAX

I am with you, if what 03 coupe said is true a TL-P can out gun a TL-S to 80 which is not going to happen. 03 and up Accord V6 auto run very similiar times to TLS's and 04 + TL's.

sbuswell

anything is possible. I have beaten new maxima's a few times, yesterday I took on my friends 05 silver maxima 5AT from a stop to 75-80mph and beat him easily (1-1.5 CL). There is nothing wrong with his car, he actually took a short lead until I hit v-tec in 1st and I was gone.

Actuary

I wonder if honda is going to put 3.2L on next accord and use 3.5L on next TL.

I think they are already squizzing most power out of given displacement today.

Toyota moved to 3.3L to 3.5L for camry.

bkzjimmy

well, i guess by these stats i'm beat!
its tied wit a tl-s in the 0-60 but beats the tl-s in the 1/4

Car-Stats.com Report for 2003 Honda Accord EX V-6 Coupe
Obtained from MT December, 2002
0-60: 6.2 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 14.5
1/4 Speed: 98

Car-Stats.com Report for 2000 Acura 3.2TL
Obtained from C&D March, 2000
0-60: 6.7 Transmission: Automatic
1/4 Mile: 15.2
1/4 Speed: 93

Car-Stats.com Report for 2002 Acura 3.2TL Type S
Obtained from R&T July, 2001
0-60: 6.2 Transmission: Automatic
1/4 Mile: 14.8
1/4 Speed: 96

03CoupeV6

My Accord V6 is an automatic and you are showing stats for manuals. Quote horsepower to weight ratios all day, but in the real world MYTL-P is faster than MYAV6.

The TL pulls harder, therefore I am going to say that it produces more torque at low RPMs than the Accord which seems to not get going until about 4000rpm. The AV6 is fast, but it does not outgun my TL-P. What happens past 100mph but 0-80 the TL gets and keeps its edge.

A TL-P has no chance against an AV6 6MT.

Bread-A Spec

yeah.....that's wut i think too...

the new accord coupe V6 are pretty fast....

03CoupeV6

The Accord V6 is pretty quick, but the weight difference isn't that significant. My Accord weighs 3322lbs and the TL 3458lbs. But hey, what do I know? I only own both of the cars in question on this thread.

bkzjimmy

i didnt even realize that .

03CoupeV6

The automatic is somewhere around 7 seconds to 60.

03Sheermax

Okay, since 130+ pounds isn't significant, what about the power deficit the TL-P faces??
From what I understand Stock Accord Coupe V6's run anywhere from 14.7-15.2. Don't TL-P's run around mid-15's??? Maybe you own an Accord that was made on a Friday, and a TL-P that was made on a Wednesday.

Ken1997TL

Someone needs to get some gear ratios from the two 5 speed autos and compare. Dont forget final drive ratios as well.

03CoupeV6

What power deficit? The peak HP difference is 15 at the crank. The TL-P actually has slightly MORE torque. The TL-P has slightly less HP and slightly more torque. I drive both of my cars on a regular basis and the Accord does not pull as hard as the TL, period.

Your results and experiences may vary, but I know my own cars.

03Sheermax

I've never had any experiences regarding this, all I have is stats to go by. However, I do have a friend who owns a 2000 TL and one of his neighbors used to have a 2000 Honda Accord coupe EX-V6(both cars at the time were BONE STOCK). At the time we used to race at this secluded area near my house. Anyway every race(0-70ish) they had was always neck and neck and I mean 1/4 of a car difference, if the TL was to get a bad launch, the kid in the 2000 Accord would take him by the aformentioned length, same was true when my friend in the TL would get the better jump off the line. Between them two, it always came down to who got off the line sooner. All things being equal , yes, the TL would take him, but only by the slightest of margin. And this is why I am having a difficult time seeing a 00-03 TL-P taking out a 03+ Accord coupe V6, be it 0-60 or 0-90. Not calling BS on your part, but it's what I've experienced with a car that is of lesser competition.

F23A4

Looks like I may need to page SteVTEC over hear to post some 411 on this.....

03CoupeV6

A TL-P should comfortably outrun a Gen6 Accord V6.

sbuswell

a 00 TL will smoke a 98-02 AV6 by more than 1/4 CL. My 99 absolutely destroys and I mean destroys 98-02 AV6's and can easily beat a 03+ AV6 and hold it's ow if not beat an AV6 MT. Now I am not stock but am NA so it is true 2G TL-P can get fast and even faster than a TL-S(which I clearly am when I raced my friends stock 03 TL-S).

03Sheermax

0-70, all things being equal a TL-P will not smoke 98-02 Coupe V6. I've seen this matchup a million times and each case like I said before was close. All things equal, I didn't say the Accord would win, but it does put up a hell of a fight. Remember this from a dig, I'm not sure how they did from a roll.

03CoupeV6

Now if you think the TL-P has a power deficit in the face of a new Accord V6 that it cannot overcome, what sense does it make for you to say that the TL-P isn't much faster than a last-gen Accord V6? Now THAT is a power deficit:

225hp, 216tq 3.2L VTEC V6.

200hp, 195tq 3.0L VTEC-E V6 - The J30A1 has very little low-end torque. The I4 5spd can run side by side with a V6 (1998-2002) from 0-60 - are you saying that the I4 with a manual is as fast as a TL-P?

sbuswell

I didn't say a stock 2G tl-p vs stock 98-02 AV6 from 0-70 wouldn't be close, I am sure it would be kinda close. I was saying my 99 makes 98-02 AV6's look like they are stuck to the pavement.

03Sheermax

okay, got you now.

03Sheermax

I don't know about Honda I4's. All I know is from 0-70ish a 98-02 Honda Accord Coupe V6 can hang real WELL with a 00-03 TL-P. I've seen it with my own eyes, as a matter of fact they raced several times that night, so it wasn't like it was a fluke one race deal. The Accord and the TL were very very close, and like I said all things equal, up to 70ish the TL was SLIGHTLY better. Don't know what would've happend if the race would've continued(1/4 mile), though I'd assume the TL would've come out on top(more power), since their 1/4 times are bit better. Now I can't say how an 03+ Accord coupe V6 can do, but I would think it will do better than a 98-02 accord and 00-03 TL-P....0-60,0-90,0-120,etc.

F23A4

From my experience, the TL-P is quicker than the 6G AV6 by about .5 sec in the 1/4 mile (~15.2sec vs 15.7sec). But even with the 6G AV6, it seems that tha 98-99 models tend to be quicker than the 00-02 models. (O3Coupe is correct in his assertion that the 6G I4 5MT can run side-by-side with the 6G AV6....I recall reading that C/D article.)

In the mags (since that's all I personally have to go on), the 7G AV6 5AT seems to post acceleration times similar to the TL-P. (The AV6H runs quicker than both.) A 7G AV6 6MT should flatout walk a stock TL-P as the speeds rise. (as with the '6G AV6 vs 6G AI4 5MT' comparison, having an MT goes a long way.)

03Sheermax

I don't know, but 15.2 seconds sounds a little to low, has anyone at the track(not car mag) gotten a low 15 out of a BONE STOCK TL-P. Better yet do you know who has the best 1/4 mile run for a bone stock TL-P on this board or any board for that matter? I think I've seen someone at V6performance.net run a best 15.6 with a stock 6gen V6coupe, but most tend to run in the high high 15's.

InspireUA5

People said 03 Accord EXV6 Coupe Auto is faster than 02-03 TL-P?
what do you guys think?

03CoupeV6

I own both. TL-P wins every time, but not by much.