1st Gen 3.2TL vs TSX
07-28-2007, 01:10 PM
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1st Gen 3.2TL vs TSX
Okay.. not sure how this happened, but I beat a TSX with my 97' 3.2TL(Premium w/TCS) with over 100k miles stock. I do have to say my TL is well kept and performs extremely well for the age and millage.
Well it was around 3am and I was on my way to see this girl. I was kindda in a hurry cos u know 3am + girl! Anyway the highway was almost empty except for few vehicles and couple of crotch rockets that was messing with me. I know better not to race those lil' f*****s. While I was doing about 75mph I see a car pull up closing in on me fast. I knew his intentions and I dropped my A/T down to 3rd and hit the gas! He was in excess of 100mph, and better odds of gaining on me quickly. So now we're almost side by side for a couple of quick seconds and doing around 115 + mph. I punch the TL even harder on the D4 and exceeding 120++mph and leaving the TSX 1/2-1 car length behind me. After a lil' while he was on an exit ramp and that was it.
I'm running 200hp stock and a fat ass, while TSX is 205hp. But I do know I have more torque in my TL but still a fatty compared to the TSX. The only explanation I can think of is high end torque helped me out. So how did this happen? Was he a bad driver? I know more TSX drivers will read this compared to 1st gen 3.2TLs. But I'd like some input.
Well it was around 3am and I was on my way to see this girl. I was kindda in a hurry cos u know 3am + girl! Anyway the highway was almost empty except for few vehicles and couple of crotch rockets that was messing with me. I know better not to race those lil' f*****s. While I was doing about 75mph I see a car pull up closing in on me fast. I knew his intentions and I dropped my A/T down to 3rd and hit the gas! He was in excess of 100mph, and better odds of gaining on me quickly. So now we're almost side by side for a couple of quick seconds and doing around 115 + mph. I punch the TL even harder on the D4 and exceeding 120++mph and leaving the TSX 1/2-1 car length behind me. After a lil' while he was on an exit ramp and that was it.
I'm running 200hp stock and a fat ass, while TSX is 205hp. But I do know I have more torque in my TL but still a fatty compared to the TSX. The only explanation I can think of is high end torque helped me out. So how did this happen? Was he a bad driver? I know more TSX drivers will read this compared to 1st gen 3.2TLs. But I'd like some input.
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hmm...I'm not too sure whther he was trying to race you or not, may be he was just in a hurry?? Assuming he's racing you though, then I'd say that's a pretty surprising win. Afterall, it is hp that win races, his tsx gotta be keeping the torque up in order to make 205hp, ie, the torque curve is pretty flat or linear even at high rpms. Torque does help, but in this case only in higher gears. In terms of weight, I think both tax and 1st gen TL weigh about the same, do you know if the tsx was 5AT or 6MT? If it was a 5AT, then yea, I agree that you would win, even if he had one more ratio than you, its lack of torque is not even to compensate. But 6MT is a totally different story, as it makes better use of the power of the TSX. Anyways, a win is a win! congrats!
07-28-2007, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
hmm...I'm not too sure whther he was trying to race you or not, may be he was just in a hurry?? Assuming he's racing you though, then I'd say that's a pretty surprising win. Afterall, it is hp that win races, his tsx gotta be keeping the torque up in order to make 205hp, ie, the torque curve is pretty flat or linear even at high rpms. Torque does help, but in this case only in higher gears. In terms of weight, I think both tax and 1st gen TL weigh about the same, do you know if the tsx was 5AT or 6MT? If it was a 5AT, then yea, I agree that you would win, even if he had one more ratio than you, its lack of torque is not even to compensate. But 6MT is a totally different story, as it makes better use of the power of the TSX. Anyways, a win is a win! congrats!
07-28-2007, 07:56 PM
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v6 vs v4 Maybe ur 200hpV6 stands stronger than v4Tsx? im a total no0b at this but maybe the torque plays important role as both of you Hit the Pedal to the Medal Hard and RPM goes high. But again, please correct me if im wrong since im not too sure abt it.
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TSX is an inline 4.
And yes, the 1st gen TL 3.2 can beat a 5AT TSX
The TL has a good dose of power from 3000 to 5000 rpms.
And yes, the 1st gen TL 3.2 can beat a 5AT TSX
The TL has a good dose of power from 3000 to 5000 rpms.
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Originally Posted by godfather2
was the tsx modded? do you know transmission?
Not sure if the TSX was modded or not. It was a random encounter at 3am. Initially I thought the TSX was a lot less heavier, therefore better power to weight ratio over me. But only 22lbs less. Some things I can think of that would work against my TL would be, 50+lbs shit that was in the trunk + power loss due to age and millage. On the positive side, efficiency of my 3.2ltr v6 over the 2.4ltr inline4 at high speeds, significant difference in torque, and after all it's still a TL not a TSX (European Accord). I assumed it was a AT. Wonder if that was a MT? Had a Legend before and spent too much money on mods for it. I promised myself not to do that with the TL and so far I've managed to keep it stock. Now I'm getting tempted! No No STOP!!!! Well I don't wanna spend $$ for mods on this TL cos planning to invest on a TL-S or a M3. Not sure when that will happen
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Since your weigh pretty much the same as the TSX, your only real advantage is the torque. The engine in your car isn't all that great in terms of high rpm, thats why your max torque is higher than your max hp. The 5AT in the TSX doesn't make good use of the torque, that's why you won. He would have to wait for the engine to reach like 5000rpm before the VTEC kicks in, but with 5AT in the tsx, the gear ratios don't allow the engine to keep above 5000rpm. If it was a 6MT TSX though, then I believe it would win.
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i dont know if the tsx was trying to race, i have a tsx thats lowered and has an intake.. i was able to beat 3.2 tl high speed. Not saying what you said is not true or anything.. And by the way a base rsx beating a tsx is actually garbage i think, unless the guys doesnt know how to drive..
07-30-2007, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TSeXaholic
i dont know if the tsx was trying to race, i have a tsx thats lowered and has an intake.. i was able to beat 3.2 tl high speed. Not saying what you said is not true or anything.. And by the way a base rsx beating a tsx is actually garbage i think, unless the guys doesnt know how to drive..
A manual base rsx and against a auto tsx. I saw the race. The tsx got burned. And there is no way a tsx is going to burn a TL. Maybe the first generation. I had a stock TL-S against a TSX with bolts on i ran bus lengths on the TSX.
07-30-2007, 09:59 PM
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Yea, a manual rsx would definitely beat a auto tsx, but I think with some luck, a auto rsx might hang with a auto tsx, since it weighs quite a lot less, although the very likely. I think he meant the 1st gen 3.2TL in his post, I'm sure he knows how fast the 2nd gen is!
TSeXaholic, do you have 6MT or 5AT TSX?
TSeXaholic, do you have 6MT or 5AT TSX?
07-31-2007, 03:55 PM
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i think a auto base rsx will beat a auto tsx. no offense or nothing but i dont think tsx is like a sports sedan. its more of a luxury car.
07-31-2007, 09:15 PM
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Too bad we can't find (or I can't) any concrete proof (as in 0-60 or 1/4mile times) for auto rsx and auto tsx. I've driven both though (for extensive periods of time too) and my butt dyno tells me that indeed the rsx feels faster. I think that is the case because of its shorter gear ratios, less weight, and higher torque to weight ratio. Seriously though, I would like to see them race against each other.
08-01-2007, 09:56 AM
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i beat a 3.2 tl and i keep up with my friends rsx type s and i have a auto, no way an base rsx manual will beat a tsx.. i know the tsx isnt the fastest car but its not gonna lose to a base rsx when i can keep up with a stock type s
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are u talking about a second generation 3.2 TL? what generation are you talkin about now? is that even possible? keep up with a rsx type s? RSX type S can blow a TL-S away and i ran bus lengths on a TSX. I think I should get a video of my friend racing a TSX So you would believe a base RSX can beat a TSX.
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im talking about a 3.2 second generation TL. I dont know where you get your facts but no rsx type s will blow away a tl type s. I would believe a tl-s taking a tsx by bus legnths but not a base rsx.
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Here are some numbers from good old C&D:
RSX-S (http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...e-s-page2.html)
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph
On page 1 of that article, it says the older RSX-S (pre-facelifted model) can do 0-60 in 6.3s, and 1/4mile in 15s@94mph.
In terms of 0-60mph time, it's right on par with the 2nd gen TL-S and 1/4mile time is slighter slower than the TL-S (according to C&D). A slightly modded RSX-S will definitely blow away the 2nd gen TL-S with a good driver.
As for TSX 6MT, here are the numbers (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...and-specs.html)
0-60 mph 7.5
0-100 mph 19.9
1/4-mile @ mph 15.7 @ 90
rolling 5-60 mph 7.9
I am not hating the TSX (in fact it is still one of the cars that I want to own!), but the RSX-S is definitely the faster car if the driver is at least competent. This is true since the RSX-S makes about the same power yet carries a lot less weight than the TSX.
RSX-S (http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...e-s-page2.html)
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.9 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.9 sec @ 95 mph
On page 1 of that article, it says the older RSX-S (pre-facelifted model) can do 0-60 in 6.3s, and 1/4mile in 15s@94mph.
In terms of 0-60mph time, it's right on par with the 2nd gen TL-S and 1/4mile time is slighter slower than the TL-S (according to C&D). A slightly modded RSX-S will definitely blow away the 2nd gen TL-S with a good driver.
As for TSX 6MT, here are the numbers (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...and-specs.html)
0-60 mph 7.5
0-100 mph 19.9
1/4-mile @ mph 15.7 @ 90
rolling 5-60 mph 7.9
I am not hating the TSX (in fact it is still one of the cars that I want to own!), but the RSX-S is definitely the faster car if the driver is at least competent. This is true since the RSX-S makes about the same power yet carries a lot less weight than the TSX.
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god..im tired of arguing with you. this is getting ridiculous. All I say is a there is no way a TSX can keep up with any RSX. Especially RSX-S there is no way u can keep up with it because it is faster than a second gen TL-S. I am not trying to look down on TSX but its just a fact. A 6MT RSX-S will blow away a stock TL-s. STOCK TL-P > STOCK TSX
08-01-2007, 09:50 PM
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Stock 2nd gen TL-S = Stock RSX-S > Stock TSX 6MT > Stock 1st gen 3.2 TL > Stock TSX Auto
Wait till the 4th gen TL comes out in 09' then we'll be talking!! hehe
08-03-2007, 09:33 PM
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TSeXaholic you gotta be kidding me.. you must have done bad in math class or something lol
RSX-S 2700lbs,200hp vs TSX 3700lbs 200hp
hello??? RSX IS LIGHTER with the same amount of HP and the RSX is manual, obviously your friends rsx-s must be broken or he cant drive manual at all. and a RSX BASE vs TSX should go head to head and theres no way in hell you would even beat a TL,
TL - 3700lbs, 258hp vs TSX 3700lbs,200hp, it has like 60hp on you weighing the same.
dont even talk about the TL-S -.- gimme a break and go do some math. thanks.
RSX-S 2700lbs,200hp vs TSX 3700lbs 200hp
hello??? RSX IS LIGHTER with the same amount of HP and the RSX is manual, obviously your friends rsx-s must be broken or he cant drive manual at all. and a RSX BASE vs TSX should go head to head and theres no way in hell you would even beat a TL,
TL - 3700lbs, 258hp vs TSX 3700lbs,200hp, it has like 60hp on you weighing the same.
dont even talk about the TL-S -.- gimme a break and go do some math. thanks.
08-03-2007, 11:55 PM
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actually the TSX is around 3300lbs (+ or - 100lbs), while the TL is around 3500lbs. But you are right, a well driven good condition RSX-S will beat a well driven good condition TSX 6MT.
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Integra, read your shit before you talk, the 4th generation TL has 258 we are discussing the 1st and second gen thanks for you imput, you sound like a dumbass. Secondly i didnt beat a rsx i said i kept up with one.. i never said my car is ownage the rsx is fast than a tsx. i was refering to the base rsx. No base rsx can beat a tsx stock for stock. Integra acting like a real dick coming in here talking shit on me. You should read the post before talking ans yes, no tsx is 3700lbs
08-04-2007, 05:32 PM
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^I know my 2nd Gen TL-P stock can kill the TSX stock for stock and I would get blown out of the water by a base RSX-S and prob even regular RSX. The TSX has soooo little torque to launch with and isn't exactly all that light either. 02TL-P 225hp, 216tq, 3450ish curb weight vs. 08 TSX 205hp, 164tq, 3300ish curb weight. Also I-vtec is so hard to launch with it's electronic throttle. I've driven the TSX and believe me it has very little pull especially when trying to merge onto a highway. Not knocking the car, I respect it's handling and how easy it is to modify, but it's no RSX beating street machine.
BTW, there isn't a 4th gen TL yet buddy.
BTW, there isn't a 4th gen TL yet buddy.
08-05-2007, 06:13 AM
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like the guy pointed out, theres no 4th gen TL hahaha
a base rsx can prolly take a tsx -.-. weight:hp ratio
you said "i beat a 3.2 tl and i keep up with my friends rsx type s and i have a auto, no way an base rsx manual will beat a tsx.. i know the tsx isnt the fastest car but its not gonna lose to a base rsx when i can keep up with a stock type s"
you can keep up with a rsx-s with a auto tsx. thats just bullshit right there unless your friend cant drive lol. i agree with friskoplayer, why are you getting offended and easily angered?
tsx 0-60 7.2sec
rsx 0-60 6.9sec
a base rsx can prolly take a tsx -.-. weight:hp ratio
you said "i beat a 3.2 tl and i keep up with my friends rsx type s and i have a auto, no way an base rsx manual will beat a tsx.. i know the tsx isnt the fastest car but its not gonna lose to a base rsx when i can keep up with a stock type s"
you can keep up with a rsx-s with a auto tsx. thats just bullshit right there unless your friend cant drive lol. i agree with friskoplayer, why are you getting offended and easily angered?
tsx 0-60 7.2sec
rsx 0-60 6.9sec
08-05-2007, 11:35 AM
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a rsx-s can beat a TL-S.
I beg to differ. A stock RSX-S is running 14.9-15.2@93-94MPH with a good driver. I have seen 14.7@95 best for a 05+ RSX-S. A stock TL-S runs 14.7-14.9@94-95MPH without any trouble and thats with an auto. Its a drivers race with a edge to the TL-S. Plus I beat my cousins ass in his 02 RSX-S with I/E in my 03 AV6 auto with just Intake and he can drive.
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tes sorry i meant 3rd, keep up i said no beat why would i lie about it. He is a good driver too. Why do i get angered? i know tsx is slow, but iw ont agree the a base rsx can beat it, and because read you post. You come into this topic and call me an idiot and how i cant do math? Sorry i get angered when a stranger who doesn't even know insults me when there is no need for insults at all.
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man.. a tsx cant keep up with a RSX-S, TL-P, TL-S. Those things are too fast for a tsx. even if its manual theres no way a tsx is able to keep up with it. and a good driver doesnt matter. all your doing is just flooring the car. even a retard can do that. the only possibility is that the other driver isnt even racing you and was driving normal when you were trying to race him.
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I guess in the end, a base RSX MT is about as fast as a TSX MT, and a base RSX AT is about as fast as a TSX AT. They both have similar power to weight ratio. I believe the TSX might win in the long run though thanks to its low drag coefficient (0.26). But I am not sure about this.