TwinTurbo335

^ I am in norcal. feel free to come here. i can claim i beat a ferrari. will anyone believe me? Hahaha. if you dont have any videos or proof of you beating a 335. no point talking? haha trust me. TL are out of the league compared to a 335. don't know what kind of 335 you been racing. probably some stupid ass who debadged his 330i and put a 335i badge on it. LMAO

kosstick

rofl 05 tl?? rofl joe lemme kick your ass all over cali then... Unless you car is upgraded no way you will beat my tl-s.... thats a joke.

Go90go

I have a vid of my friend and I in his 335i destroying a brand new Maserati. No joke. A 335i will hand a TL it's ass, ESPECIALLY a bolt-on one.

~Cheers~

XxAfG786xX

335i can kma

Dave_B

10 cars? Right. A 350Z 6MT is a legit 13.8@102mph car stock in an average drivers hands. Sounds to me like your friend can't drive or you're 335 is not stock. The 335 is a faster car than a 03-06 Z, but only fractionally. The 07 350Z is an entirely different animal and is a legit 13.6@104mph car and quite a few have done 13.4s@105mph+. Put me in an 07 350Z, auto or manual, and I'll walk your 335.

Dave_B

Yes. It's been my experience on the strip that the 02-03 TLS is a notably quicker car than the 5AT 04+ TLs. With headers and an intake, I've personnally seen 14.4s-14.5s@98mph out of two TLS'. The 2nd gen car is lighter and the engine has a much larger aftermarket. Gains with headers are extremely impressive. I wish my G could post the same gains, but my car already came with manifolds that are nearly headers.

TwinTurbo335

Bring it. Get your pos g35 against a 335 and see how much ill smoke u by. Dont get mad your engine is slow. The 350z was not stock. He has intake and exhaust.

XxAfG786xX

thats a challenge!

FiveLiterCheater

I don't think so...i've only raced one 2nd gen TL-S from a roll and it was pretty much neck to neck until 60...after that I steadily kept pulling pulling (and thats with my 19's on) I'm sure I would've had him earlier with the stock 17's. All I have is an intake as well..

TwinTurbo335

Hes talking about modded ones. Second gen tl has way more potential than any third gen tl. The bolts on available on second gen will kill a third gen easily with all bolts. If only second gen came out with 6mt.

FiveLiterCheater

what aftermarket does it have that the 3rd gen doesnt? Headers is the only thing i can think of, and we have the e-shift HFC.

Dave_B

Apples to oranges, Chief and don't get all ricer on me either arguing like 4 y/o. I'd hope to God that a 335 with an underrated 300hp (closer to 340hp) would beat my ~285hp G35 and I shouldn't have explain why because it's obvious on so many levels. Sounding like a broken record, intakes DO NOT DO SQUAT on G/Zs and they usually hurt power. That's a fact. I know way more than the VQ series than you could fathom. As for exhausts, gains are minimal seeing that the stock exhaust is already basically equipped with headers and 2.7" ID piping. You might see 10whp with a true dual exhaust on a Z/G. If you have an intake also, then you can probably kiss any gains away because the MAF gets really flakey when it sees high flow. What happens is it will make the engine run extremely lean which then causes inaudible detonation which then leads to the ECU dumping in lots of fuel and cutting timing which then makes for a slower car. Some sort of tuning is required to effectively take advantage of those mods assuming the intake is not a CAI (CAI = 5 to 10whp less than stock).

Dave_B

Headers are a huge deal. That's a legit 25-30whp gain on the 2nd gen motor. There no NA mods for the 3rd gen TL come close to those gains. I've driven both the 2nd gen TLS and a 3rd gen TL, both 5ATs and the 2nd gen felt far snappier overall and far quicker from 0-70mph. IMO, about the only thing the 3rd gen TL has over the 2nd gen is styling. It's not even the same game.

TwinTurbo335

Headers on a second gen gives 20 whp if not 25 whp. I believe 2nd gen redlines at 7200 and 3rd gen reds at 6800. We are 100 pounds lighter.

TwinTurbo335

My friend has a 03 350z that has 280 hp. Not the new 350z with 300. You say the 07 350z can take a 335. Thats bs. They may run mid to high 13s but 335 run low 13s stock. I think u need to do so more researching. And also my friend has a sri and exhaust. We did a before and after run his 350z pulled more after the mods

Dave_B

There are stock 07 350Zs running 13.4s@105mph on stock tires. On DRs they're seeing 13.2s@106mph. That is right in line, if not exceeding the performance of most stock 335's. The 335 is an awesome machine and it's at the top of my list, but don't try and BS me. I know what 335's are capable of in stock form. In most hands, they're 13.6@103mph cars. Consistently the mags are getting 13.6-13.7@103-104mph with them so you can figure a really good driver in great conditions may see 13.3-13.4@105mph. The mags are getting 13.6-7s@104mph out of the 07 350Zs.

The 07 350Z weighs about 3300lbs and has 265-270whp/230wtq. The 07 335 sedan weighs in close to 3,600lbs and has about 290-295whp/290wtq. The power to weight is identical.

TwinTurbo335

335i vs is350

335i wins everytime.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=124138

335i runs 1/4 in 13.4@103.9 mag times

here is a stock 335i running low 13s.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-10490.html

One simple mod on a 335 will boost it to 60 WHP. i cannot see a stock 350z beating a stock 335i. It never happened before. 350z are slow. totally outta the league with 335s.

Dave_B

I could care less about the IS350. Where did we ever discuss that. That 335 you listed was on DRs, not street tires. It did a 13.250@104mph. Hmmmm...you just proved my point that a well driven stock 335 will go 13.3s. Since that particular 335 is a 6AT, it can boost on launch and looses no boost between the shifts. Hopefully you understand that most turbo autos are quicker than thier manual counterparts.

As for the 350Z being slow. Here is a bonestock 07 350Z on STREET TIRES pulling 13.2s@107mph. Hmm...look at that trapspeed. That's about 3mph faster than the 335 you posted. On DRs, he'll go 13.0s. On slicks, 12s is a no brainers. Videos and timeslips included. http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314009

Consider yourself owned.

FiveLiterCheater

Lol TwinTurbo335 lost all credibility when he called the 350z slow....and he didn't have much to begin with.

FiveLiterCheater

25whp on an auto sounds too good to be true for some headers...unless they're race headers, even then..sounds a bit too high.

TwinTurbo335

ive seen a 335 do 13s flat bone stock. might need to look it up again. 350z is slow. look at how much i smoke this 350z by. i dont care about track times. i look at what i have experienced. heres a video of me smoking the shit outta a 350z with mods. fuckin ripped his car apart. i gave him jump in both races. i didn't even launch either.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tN6-3RcFYIo

and jaber dont talk unless you done some research on the headers. go search up comptech headers on acurazine. people has done before and after runs on dynos and shows that people got 20 hp to the wheels if not more.

comptech website claims that you can have up to 32 HP. too bad their website is down right now.

ballinfizzle89

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Well according to twinturbo335...ALL cars are slow besides the 335

FiveLiterCheater

Just because YOU beat a 350z doesn't mean a 335 can beat any 350Z, sorry to break the news to you. You call the 350Z "slow", yet they run almost identical 1/4 times. I've beat plenty of cars simply because the driver didn't know what he was doing. BTW hit the english books....reading anything you type gives me a headache

AEM claims 18whp with a CAI, doesn't make it true.

XxAfG786xX

id say take that turbo out of the 335, then try talking....

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

lol this has become the 350z vs 335i thread....

TwinTurbo335

I searched online everywhere. i cant find 350z having identical times with 335i. most of the times i see tested by professionals 13.6s. I haven't seen one tested by professional gotten low 13s. sometimes the track can hand you the wrong time slips and the track times might be wrong. they make mistakes. its easy to hide certain mods. like removing the spare tire, running racing gas, tuning vehicle, filters.here is some comments i found for the track times dave posted:

look at the trap speeds. ETs are more closely related to the 60fts. He's 2mph higher than the rest AND would be ranked #2 in the NOT-Stock '07s. It's most likely either BS due to non-disclosure, weight reduction or a nice, 40mph tailwind.


If that Z is going 13.2, one other is going 13.3, and ALL of the rest of the '07's are going 13.5-13.7, then something there is odd.

Go90go

Yeah, haha! Threadjacking rules!! We've all been guilty of it at some point.

~Cheers~

TwinTurbo335

why do you hate 335 so much? hahaa.. must be because your mad your car is slow.

Dave_B

You're ignorant. I can post 3 other VQ35HR Z's posting 13.2-13.4s@104-106mph. It's not uncommon. You just need to face the facts that your ricer 16 y/o friend can't race his 350Z for squat. It's pretty clear to me he completely missed the 1-2 shift and then either got hung up on the gate or just gave up. You're an idiot if you really believe your 335i would pull a 03-06 350Z like that. I race at the strip and LS1 F-Bodies running high 12s don't pull on me like that. Keep racing on the street and live your ignorant dreams that you have a super cool fast car. Some of us have the balls to test our cars under the lights. Grow a pair and take your dad's 335 to the strip and see what it runs. I've got $20 saying your best will be a 13.8 or higher. I'll leave it at that.

TwinTurbo335

haha i don't see why u need to get so frustrated over this??? want to buy: chill pill. sorry to dissapoint you but 350z/g35 are slow man. My friend has been driving his 350z for 5 yrs. I am sure he knows how to drive it correctly. he brings his car to the track every now and then. dont blame the driver, blame the car. how is a 0-60=5.5 beat a 0-60 in 4.8 second car? common sense. 13.8 is pretty good. good enough to beat a 350z/g35 at least.

lets bring this to bimmer forums and 350z/g35 forums. no need to argue in TL forum about 350z vs 335. go ask how many people have beaten a 350z in a bimmer forum. and go ask how many people have beaten a 335i in a 350z forum.

kosstick

twinturbo 335.. Lets race I get my moms car tho?

FiveLiterCheater

If the 335 goes 0-60 in 4.8, what does the E92 M3 run? Every site I see states the M3 doing 4.7 0-60 and the 335 doing 5.1-5.3. I don't think BMW would make their base model 3-series faster than their flagship model.

I agree with what Dave said, I wanna see you take daddys toy to the track and see what you can do with it. I can almost bet you'll run in the 14s

Its also funny how you say its not the driver its the car LOL Say that at the track, I bet most of those track vets will rape you in every orfice you have with a slower car.

BTW has anyone seen his parents 335?

SatinSilverAV6

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I also noticed after driving my friends 04 TL Auto that the car did not shift at redline when you floor it. I would have to manual shift to get the car to redline. Does the 02-03 TL-S do that too?

SatinSilverAV6

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I have seen some impressive gains with headers as well on the TL-S. That car seems to be much more mod friendly than a 04+TL. The only advantage the 04+ TL has is that it comes in a 6spd.

SatinSilverAV6

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I figure I will jump into this arguement over the 335i vs 350Z HR. I believe its a drivers race but here are some figures I found.

Bone stock 07 350Z HR
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-350Z...lip-13384.html

Bone stock 07 335i Auto
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-12920.html

Bone stock 07 335i 6spd
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-13054.html

There are a couple stock 335i's both auto and 6spd running 14.2 but the only way they could pull that time is with Drag radials(not the stock tires like the Z had when it pulled a 14.2.) After doing alot of research the 6spd and auto versions of the 335i are equal in speed. Most times a manual is quicker but BMW did a great job with the autos!

The Z traps higher stock than a 335i stock. Without the drag radials on the BMW's the Z is the winner stock!

By the way that was the only 07 350Z on dragtimes and he ran a 13.2@105. Most of the stock 335i's were in the mid 13's. So the average time for the 350z is faster than the average stock times for the 335i's.

So if you really wanted to drag race these cars I would have to say a stock 07 350Z beats a stock 335i in a equal drivers race. The Lexus IS350 would be 3rd after seeing nothing breaking out of the 13.5 range stock. The IS350 also has the lowest trapspeeds of the bunch but without a manual tranny the IS performs well.

TwinTurbo335

You guys are just basing the information on the timeslips. There is too much to consider. temperature,elevation,condition,etc. I seen many magazine showing 350z running 13.6-13.8 and 0-60 in the low 5s. I haven't seen one magazine showing a 350z running 13.2. The time slip you showed, 350z running @ 60 degrees F where 335i running at 80 degrees. the average time for 335s are low 13s to mid 13s. and 0-60 in high 4s.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117669

and to jaber. people has done 13.6 by just flooring the car at DS. (doubt u even know what that is ) btw. the last generation m3 is slower than the 335 that is why they changed the engine for the 2008 model.

Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph — close, but still a rearview-mirror performance.

and for the daddys car remark. dont get jealous man that you cant afford a BMW at the age of 19. HAHAHAHAHA

if anyone want to discuss any further, feel free to post on 350z forum or bmw forums. tired of argueing on a acura forums over a 335 vs a 350z match up. None of you guys own a 335i or a 350z. So no point argueing. Late guys.


Slightly modded 335i vs 2007 350z. found this on beamer forum. have fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SaTCBIoWMw

kosstick

335 your a pompus asshole. Just letting you know that... 335 your just jealous cuss you cant afford a E63 at the age of 17... HEHEHEH.... Now don't I look like a faggot when I say something as stupid as what you said?

FiveLiterCheater

I'm guessing DS is just drive? Just using it in context...As for the M3 comment, the M is still a better all around sports car. It may not better in the straights, but it'll eat a 335 on the track. Also, i'm pretty sure the upped the engine in the M3 because of its competition, not because of a lower model of the 3.

I think you're confusing BMW's with a Bently, because they're not hand built machines produced in limited quantities. I just wouldn't waste my money on anything other than an M though, esp with the 3-series. I also didn't want to come off as an uneducated tool which fits the BMW profile, and you pretty much reinforce that point.

Trust me, theres no way you're paying for the 335 (if its even yours). No bank would approve a loan for a 19 year old buy a $50k car under their own name, so i'll stick by the "daddy's car" statement. The only other possible scenario I can think of is your folks skipped on a decent education for you and put all that money into a brand new BMW for their illiterate baby. Either way, I think I pretty much nailed it on the head.

SatinSilverAV6

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lol that was pretty hilarious man. You can tell a BMW driver by his posts lol.

If you don't like the discussion here at acurazine then you can go back to the BMW forums where there are plenty of stuck up Bimmer drivers like yourself!

Dave_B

You have to be one of the most ignorant and biased people on this site. The 335 is a bad ass car. Period. BUT in stock form, IT IS NOT QUICKER THAN A VQ35HR 350Z. Period. Both cars are steals for the money and both cars offer equal performance. How can you be so blind? I could care less about street racing videos because they prove ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Why can't you understand this?

Better drivers on excellent tracks in good conditions will always exceed corrected mag time (you do know that the mags correct their times to sea level and standard conditions, right?). The mags say my 03 G35 does 14.6s@97mph. Mine did 14.3s@98mph.

Stop living up to the pompous BMW driver stereotypical attitude.