07' TL-S vs. BMW 335i Sedan
03-15-2007, 11:18 AM
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the tl nor the TL-S will have a chance against a 335i coupe or sedan. Just with a reflash they push 370 to the wheels. know someone with this setup. Bone stock with a dyno tune and hes running 12.7-12.9 all night long.
03-15-2007, 11:48 AM
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the tl nor the TL-S will have a chance against a 335i coupe or sedan. Just with a reflash they push 370 to the wheels. know someone with this setup. Bone stock with a dyno tune and hes running 12.7-12.9 all night long.
370 to wheels?
03-15-2007, 12:12 PM
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the 335i will blow it away. car talk anybody?
03-15-2007, 01:25 PM
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touche. this isn't even close. The 335 are crazy fast, some mag or ezine had a stock 335i coupe that had extra boost from the factory. 0-60: 4.8s and 1/4: low 13. I'm pretty sure these numbers are correct.
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03-15-2007, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dnd2984
370 to wheels?
03-15-2007, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by brahtw8
The 335 is severely underrated from the factory (probably 340 hp and similar torque at the crank instead of 300/300) and there have been massive gains from tuning. I haven't seen 370 rwhp, but I have seen dynos with 325-330 rwhp w/365-370 rwtq from minor modification, ie ECU tuning and exhaust.
03-15-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ironviet
I don't think 335 is that underrated. My M3 which is rated @ 333hp 265 tq still takes on the 335 easily which is around 300/300. I agree though that with a simple ecu flash and exhaust you are more correct with the 325-330 hp range with those torque #'s you posted. Maybe if the ecu was mapped out with racing fuel and made runs could it put up 370hp from a flash.
03-15-2007, 07:55 PM
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I have not driven the TL-S but have driven the 335i and it is a monster. The meat of the TLS' power is at higher rpms and when paired against the 335i (with the N54's VERY wide torque range), the 335i should own it start-to-finish.
With regard to SuperStar's post, the BMW sales mgr I spoke to indicated that the 335i runs fairly even with the E46 M3 off the line but the M3 would pull on the 335i at higher speeds.
All this said, the 335i (AT) that I drove did not tear off the line as hard as say a Mustang GT but soon after launch, the power kicked in VERY hard.
With regard to SuperStar's post, the BMW sales mgr I spoke to indicated that the 335i runs fairly even with the E46 M3 off the line but the M3 would pull on the 335i at higher speeds.
All this said, the 335i (AT) that I drove did not tear off the line as hard as say a Mustang GT but soon after launch, the power kicked in VERY hard.
03-15-2007, 08:51 PM
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Even if TL-S has more torque, it won't be any faster than now off the line since it's limited by its FWD layout, it just can't get the torque down to the ground. And I think Honda knew about this all along and that's why they came up witht he SH-AWD. Soon enough it will be available to the TL I think.
The 335i I don't think it's that underrated. 306hp is measured from the new system right, and if you convert it back to the old system, I would say it's around 320-325hp. That means it's actually about 20hp shy of the M3. It's understandable that the 335i is a bit faster off the line because it has much more low end torque than the M3. But thanks to its weight and higher rpm power, the M3 in the end is still faster.
As for the Mustang GT vs 335i AT, I think the GT launches harder because it doesnt have any turbo lag and there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to torque.
The 335i I don't think it's that underrated. 306hp is measured from the new system right, and if you convert it back to the old system, I would say it's around 320-325hp. That means it's actually about 20hp shy of the M3. It's understandable that the 335i is a bit faster off the line because it has much more low end torque than the M3. But thanks to its weight and higher rpm power, the M3 in the end is still faster.
As for the Mustang GT vs 335i AT, I think the GT launches harder because it doesnt have any turbo lag and there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to torque.
03-15-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ironviet
I don't think 335 is that underrated. My M3 which is rated @ 333hp 265 tq still takes on the 335 easily which is around 300/300. I agree though that with a simple ecu flash and exhaust you are more correct with the 325-330 hp range with those torque #'s you posted. Maybe if the ecu was mapped out with racing fuel and made runs could it put up 370hp from a flash.
BTW, I also own an E46 M3. The stock 335 is competitive with the M3 at lower speeds but the M3 does walk away at higher speeds.
03-15-2007, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Even if TL-S has more torque, it won't be any faster than now off the line since it's limited by its FWD layout, it just can't get the torque down to the ground. And I think Honda knew about this all along and that's why they came up witht he SH-AWD. Soon enough it will be available to the TL I think.
The 335i I don't think it's that underrated. 306hp is measured from the new system right, and if you convert it back to the old system, I would say it's around 320-325hp. That means it's actually about 20hp shy of the M3. It's understandable that the 335i is a bit faster off the line because it has much more low end torque than the M3. But thanks to its weight and higher rpm power, the M3 in the end is still faster.
As for the Mustang GT vs 335i AT, I think the GT launches harder because it doesnt have any turbo lag and there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to torque.
The 335i I don't think it's that underrated. 306hp is measured from the new system right, and if you convert it back to the old system, I would say it's around 320-325hp. That means it's actually about 20hp shy of the M3. It's understandable that the 335i is a bit faster off the line because it has much more low end torque than the M3. But thanks to its weight and higher rpm power, the M3 in the end is still faster.
As for the Mustang GT vs 335i AT, I think the GT launches harder because it doesnt have any turbo lag and there is no replacement for displacement when it comes to torque.
03-15-2007, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperStar
No, it's dyno tested underrated. It has nothing to do with the new system. (Are any american cars doing that yet beyond the vette/viper?)
03-16-2007, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by brahtw8
The 335 is underrated, but I misspoke with the 340. 325-330 is probably accurate. The 335 is heavier and doesn't have the gearing advantage that comes with the S54's redline.
BTW, I also own an E46 M3. The stock 335 is competitive with the M3 at lower speeds but the M3 does walk away at higher speeds.
BTW, I also own an E46 M3. The stock 335 is competitive with the M3 at lower speeds but the M3 does walk away at higher speeds.
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03-16-2007, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I have not driven the TL-S but have driven the 335i and it is a monster. The meat of the TLS' power is at higher rpms and when paired against the 335i (with the N54's VERY wide torque range), the 335i should own it start-to-finish.
With regard to SuperStar's post, the BMW sales mgr I spoke to indicated that the 335i runs fairly even with the E46 M3 off the line but the M3 would pull on the 335i at higher speeds.
All this said, the 335i (AT) that I drove did not tear off the line as hard as say a Mustang GT but soon after launch, the power kicked in VERY hard.
With regard to SuperStar's post, the BMW sales mgr I spoke to indicated that the 335i runs fairly even with the E46 M3 off the line but the M3 would pull on the 335i at higher speeds.
All this said, the 335i (AT) that I drove did not tear off the line as hard as say a Mustang GT but soon after launch, the power kicked in VERY hard.
Funny you should say that F23A4, because my approx 300 miles of driving a new 335i Sedan Auto (a LOANER for bro's M3) were very similar. 1st gear (which is very short) didnt really impress me, but once this thing went into 2nd gear....the thing TAKES OFF. The low and mid range torque on that motor are pretty nice....no hints that this motor is TT. You could leave in in "M6" mode in the sportshift and still just take off hard after 100 mph due to the obundance of low end power.
03-16-2007, 11:52 AM
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Funny you should say that F23A4, because my approx 300 miles of driving a new 335i Sedan Auto (a LOANER for bro's M3) were very similar. 1st gear (which is very short) didnt really impress me, but once this thing went into 2nd gear....the thing TAKES OFF. The low and mid range torque on that motor are pretty nice....no hints that this motor is TT. You could leave in in "M6" mode in the sportshift and still just take off hard after 100 mph due to the obundance of low end power.
Indeed. In hindsight, that slight pause off the line may actually contribute to making the 335i more driveable...particularly in the rain. (Standing starts in the rain with my old 02 Maxima was NEVER any fun; that car showed me that instantaneous torque delivery does have its downshide. 
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03-16-2007, 12:29 PM
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335i will put a good distance on the 2007 TL Type S.
My friend's 335i gave my supercharged TL a good run a bit ago... there is absolutely no way the Type S can keep up against both of us.
My friend's 335i gave my supercharged TL a good run a bit ago... there is absolutely no way the Type S can keep up against both of us.
03-16-2007, 12:52 PM
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you and your damn S/C again... lol...
I doubt I can even hope to hang with any bimmers faster than stock 325s... which sucks, because you see those high-end luxury cars EVERYWHERE in Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, etc., so the TL may be faster than say 85% of cars you'll see on the road, but at least 1/3 of the cars around here are part of that other 15%
I doubt I can even hope to hang with any bimmers faster than stock 325s... which sucks, because you see those high-end luxury cars EVERYWHERE in Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, etc., so the TL may be faster than say 85% of cars you'll see on the road, but at least 1/3 of the cars around here are part of that other 15%
03-16-2007, 02:17 PM
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you and your damn S/C again... lol...
I doubt I can even hope to hang with any bimmers faster than stock 325s... which sucks, because you see those high-end luxury cars EVERYWHERE in Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, etc., so the TL may be faster than say 85% of cars you'll see on the road, but at least 1/3 of the cars around here are part of that other 15%
I doubt I can even hope to hang with any bimmers faster than stock 325s... which sucks, because you see those high-end luxury cars EVERYWHERE in Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, etc., so the TL may be faster than say 85% of cars you'll see on the road, but at least 1/3 of the cars around here are part of that other 15%
....same deal for most of the Northeast Corridor.
03-19-2007, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by speedbawlinTL
you and your damn S/C again... lol...
I doubt I can even hope to hang with any bimmers faster than stock 325s... which sucks, because you see those high-end luxury cars EVERYWHERE in Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, etc., so the TL may be faster than say 85% of cars you'll see on the road, but at least 1/3 of the cars around here are part of that other 15%
I doubt I can even hope to hang with any bimmers faster than stock 325s... which sucks, because you see those high-end luxury cars EVERYWHERE in Bethesda, Potomac, McLean, etc., so the TL may be faster than say 85% of cars you'll see on the road, but at least 1/3 of the cars around here are part of that other 15%
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