Hey everyone

I am in the market for 3rd gen. TL

Obviosly type-s would be desired but it's roughly 6k difference between the two.

is it 6k more worth of a car???

From what I read the differences are:

1)obvious one - engine...slight hp/torgue improvement
2) transmission - is it the same ?? does it have the same ratios??
3) stiffer suspension but 07 line has in general softer settings so supposidly 06 M6 and 07 type -s are very close if not the same in that department
4) live traffic info in 07
5) brakes .... aren't these the same???

plus some obvious cosmetical differences but striclty mechanical wise aren't these too close for a 6k difference ??
Would type -s have sport tune suspension..sway bars, different coils ..whatever ?

 

What price are they asking for the Type-S? I bought my '07 Type-S for a 23k and some change...it had 32k on it.

I do believe the breaks are the same since they're both MTs...if they were ATs then they would be different

The Type-S has a 3.5 instead of a 3.2

I don't think the suspension is much different, since neither is an A-Spec

 

looking at autotrader:

07' type -s starts at 24k
06' M6 - 18k

I suppose auction deal would cut the price by 1-2k

The way I see it I can get comptech supercharger+set of new winter wheels + improved sway bars and strut bars for the price difference. Supercharged 06' M6 would embarace any stock type-s. Not that I care for that much power at all...just saying that price difference is rather high.

 

oh ..and 07 has Active Noise cancelation. I would like to have that but again putting together all the extra gadgets and toys in type-s..is it worth the price difference. It is a newer car ..yes but you can probably get 06 with low milage and "milage warranty" will most likely go out way before you reach 5 year mark anyway.

 

also remember that the type-S comes with standard navigation, bigger brakes (on the 5AT) , backup camera, ANC, etc.

 

Go with 07 TL-s MT...
You'll enjoy the extra power/torque...
And the interior looks better...

Unless you wanna go all the mod yourself...

 

ok I should say I am considering 06' M6 Navi only. Bigger brakes ???? I don't think so. I only care for M6 and between 06 and 07 tl-s they have the same brembo 4-cylinder calipers and I am pretty sure the same size rotors. Not sure about back though. You got me on back up camera but again it's a gadget...nothing I will miss. If so I can get one for $500.

 

I am sure I would but not that sure if I can afford 25k car that is far from being new and pretty close to being out of warranty. I can easly live with 18k damage though

 

What's the mileage on both?

Considering 06 MT without Brembo, Camera, Navi, Power, Suspension, ANC, etc...

If you match it to 07 MT probably would cost you more than 25K

 

I am not really comparing specific cars. The prices I have quoted are pretty much start points. I would want something in 45k miles range so I have good 1 year of driving before warranty goes out.
And again 06 M6 does have BREMBO standard, does have navi in that price range. Power yes you got me here but suspension ??? what about it. DO you have any specifics on how tl-s suspension is better that 06' M6 ??

 

according to hondanews.com

The TL With 6-Speed Manual Transmission Includes The Following Features:

• Available 235/45R17 Bridgestone Potenza RE 030 high-performance tires
• Brembo 4-piston front brake calipers
• Rear engine rocking damper
• 17-inch aluminum-alloy spare wheel

 

This sounds like a 07 TL-S...

My 07 TL-S has Bridgestone Ponteza E 030 (High Performance Summer Tires).
Brembo 4-piston front bake callipers
But I don't know rear engine rocking damper.

 

no before 2007 there was no 3rd gen. tl-s so M6s had some of the current tl-s features like brembo and performance tires. That was the point of my post. 06' TL Manual transmission is so close in specs to 07 TL-s.

 

also is that true that TL has 6/70,000 miles drivetrain warranty ???
That makes 06' even more attractive

 

If there's a 6k price difference I would go with the 06 MT.

 

I say go with the type-s for many reasons.

1) The Base is 258 hp vs Type-S 286 hp.
2) Gear ratio is the same, but the type-s has a external tranny cooler that is very useful.(specially those who got that heavy foot)
3) The type-s has sports tuned suspension with front and back sway bars.
4) It does have real time traffic which is tight
5) Both car are equipped with brembos

You might want to consider the other gadgets.The back up camera, red interior lights, type-s stitching headrests, nicer 2-tone interior quality, type-s tail lights, side markers and anything out there I might of missed..

I say go for the type-s just because its a nicer car. The 6k is worth it! Your going to love the TL. and u dont want to regret not getting the type-s now!

Good Luck with your choice.

 

oh yea and the sexy quad exhaust

 

This thread should help w/ the more subtle differences: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/i-am-ashamed-say-636932/

 

if you search the forum, you will notice how many members have admitted to not getting the Type-S over the base. some have even traded their practically new base cars for a type S.

 

If it's 6k (or even 5K) difference, go with the 06 MT.

I have an 06MT, the most appealing features in the type-s for me was:
1) live traffic
2) rims
So, I went ahead and upgraded the navi (a lot of work) so there's nav traffic now. And I bought type-s rims (and sold my 06 rims).

I don't think the bump in horsepower is that significant.
I think the 06MT is sports tuned (stiffer) already.

Good luck

 

Buy the 06 and put a blower on it. Stock MT Type-s = 240 WHP. 06 MT with a blower= 320 WHP. Buy the type-s rears lights and some leds if you want the red look. As far as the seats I like one color better and the stock blue gauge and dash theme is sweet. 6k could be a nice start to modding.

 

if you want performance take the 6K hit and get the Type-S (which will potentially hold it's value better also in the long run), if you want the "sensible" option get the 06 MT

 

Well, just look at all those who has base TL and trying to mod into TL Type-S...

I fully understand that before 07 TL-S, you didn't have any choice, but those who bought 07 or 08 TL base are tweaking, adding Cold-Air-Intake, Side markers, changing the regular to quad exhaust, and so go, what does it tell you?

 

oh, I know that one!!! They are like me. They love the look and performance of TL-S but can't afford one so they get base in manual that is veeeery close in specs to tl-s. They tweak it to get almost the same output for much lower price.

Also important to mention is that M6 base TL losses all the cool stuff like brembos and stiff suspension starting with 07 model. That's why I specificaly compare base 06 and tl-s 07.

 

thx. finally some decent specs. Didn't know about tranny cooler. SO I guess it comes down to tranny and engine (but that's JUST the whole drivetrain
Sway bars are no biggy since you can get better than stock type-s for $300.

so 6k for slightly better engine and tranny cooler .......hhhmmm

 

the nav traffic is an add on with xm, so you have to pay extra, and to me that is not worth anything extra....

 

if the objective is to SAVE 6k, why would he waste it on a blower?

PS: unless the 06 MT has another 2000 dollars in mods (exhaust, j-pipe, etc...), it will NOT dyno 320WHP.

look at this guy's dyno of around 300whp and thats including EVERY possible mod out there (including the S/C):

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ercharger+dyno

 

All things being equal you would have to be out of your mind to pay a $6,000 premium for the S.

Get a Garmin for $250 with real time traffic if you need it. The performance spread in well within driver reflex capability.

The S has an extra 18 cubic inches but it also has a restrictor valve in the clutch that slows down the shifts to preserve the gearbox.

There is a guy on this forum with minor mods, cold air box, intake insulator etc running verified 13.9's 100+mph with a base 6MT.

 

GL finding a decently priced TYPE S let alone a M6 TYPE S. With that said, I'll take a M6 06TL w/ nav over an AT Type S anyday.

 

I am sorry I lied. After more detailed pricing check it turns out that the price difference is morelikely to be 7k for navi and 8k for non-navi. CRAZY!!!

Prices start as follows:

06' M6 w/o navi - 16,900
06' M6 NAVI - 17,900 (only 40k miles)
07' TL-S - 24,900

again take away 1-2k when purchased at auction, still the price difference remains

I do want to pay extra for navi since I have external navi right now and I frickin' hate that concept. I like to have my dashbord clean. But for 7K I can get blower, spec-a, new set of winter wheels and I could probably sqeeze in new set of brakes. Not that I will necessarily buy any of those but just the thought that I could makes the choice very simple to me.

Thanks everyone for your input. 06' M6 Navi it is

 

Why don't you give us all the details, it's not like we're going to buy those car out of your hand.

What about the mileage? Mileage does impact on the pricing as well, also have you check the car history? Any major repairs?

As far as I know, 3G TL like previous post link, 07 & 08 are practically same, and 04 to 06 are almost identical.

If I were you, I'll always try to get a newer car with low mileage...

 

oh my, didn't know that autotrader.com is such a mysterious concept. or cars.com or whatever.....

I am talking about lowest price with drivetrain warranty. If I found car for that price it means that I could find similar car any day give or take 1k.

fine, specific cars I am talking about:

07' TL-S
06' M6 NAvi
06' M6 non-NAVI

 

FWIW, I just went through this myself. I just picked up an '06 6MT w/ Navi for $19,500. It has 28.5K miles on it and is virtually perfect inside and out. There were no '07 6MT TL-S's within a 200 mile radius of me. And those I did see for sale were commanding at least a $6,000-$8,000 asking price premium (as well as it should. 1 year newer model, plus it being a Type-S). $5,000 is about $100 more per month in a car payment if you finance like I did. So, you can only imagine what $7K would be.

$140+ more per month for 28hp, traffic info, and a few little interior/exterior knick-nacks? You decide if it's worth it to you.

I'm very happy with my base TL.

 

Good luck finding a 6MT w/ navi at all. I think I may be settling for a 04.

 

7 grand is alot I personally like the interior of the 06 better and the exterior of the type-s better. As for the extra power I think it would make a difference at hwy. speeds but my 06 just spins off the line anyway before vsa steps in so I would figure the 3.5 would just spin more. A hard find but look for a 06 6mt a-spec w/nav I think it looks better then the Type-s with out the body kit. I dont imagine the a-spec kit would add 2 much 2 the price of used 06

 

I wish they had the option for the blue lighting on the TYPE S.. I don't like the red lighting at all. Like to me, a base TL interior in 07-08 years with TYPE S everything else would be ideal.

 

its not too hard to swap out most of the lighting in the center stack, take apart the buttons and take out the red bulb condoms and use these bulbs condoms:

http://www.parts-express.com//pe/sho...number=070-086

then you can get a new set of guages (800 dollars), upper display, and also the homelink lights.

 

Type-S > Base. This is true any day of the week.

 

Difference between TL-S 6MT and '04 - '06 6MT should be about $2k PLUS depreciation for add'l age/miles.


IOW - an '06 MT, all else equal, should be be about $2k PLUS 1 year depr less than an '07 TL-S 6MT.

 

i sold my 6spd tl w/navi a year ago. from the research ive done a while back the manuals had the limited slip diffs, ecus were tuned different from the autos which if you test drove both they where night and day, the manuals had thicker sway bars and sport suspension, it basically was the type s for 06. the 06s supposedly fixed the torq steer issues. the only differences i saw was the 07 type s had a big price tag, rear view camera, different color options, fogs were moved so people would stop thinking they were your high beams, and a 3.5 instead of a 3.2. some people say the 3.2 is faster then the type s over 100mph but i never got to test it. i raced a speed6 to 140 from 30 and we both accelerated the same so the 06 6spd is just as fast as a mazda spd6 just for reference but faster then a 2000 v8 mustang with an intake and exhaust.