ballinfizzle89

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Alright so normally i don't race..but at school this kid with a 3.5SE Maxima comes up to me and starts saying how his car is so much faster than mine (06' TL AT)..his is a 05' 3.5SE Maxima AT..so anyways before i say anything..how do u guys think they both compare because i have a feeling it would probably be faster in the higher end?

S1CK TypeS

are u stock? if so then its a drivers race. get an intake and ll be all set

iforyou

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C&D manged to do 0-60mph in the TL 6MT in 5.7 sec; in road and track, they did that in 6.3 sec with a 5AT TL. On the other hand, C&D only managed 6.4 sec for the 0-60mph run and 15 sec 1/4mile time (which is even slower than a 2002 TL-S 5AT) with the 6MT model of maxima. The reason for that slow time is because of the drive-by-wire throttle which makes it very hard to launch. So there you have it, if a 6MT maxima takes 6.4 sec to do 0-60mph, it's safe to assume it takes close to 7 sec for a 5AT model.

Anyways, stock vs stock, they have pretty much the same power and they both carry as much weight. The Nissan might feel stronger since it has more torque down at the bottom and mid range, but the TL shines in the top end too, so in the end, they are very close if race from a roll.

Basically, you have a higher chance of winning from a dig, but a close race from a roll. And the point here is, his car is NOT a LOT faster than your car.

southern_info

I have to disagree with you on the part about racing from a dig. I've personally seen maxima's pull 2.0 60ft and 8.9 1/8th and that was when I owned a 350z. This driver I race kept up with me until we closed on the 1/8th mark and I would run 8.7 in the 1/8th. I know a TL can not pull that off. I say a TL has a better chance from a roll.

03bl AC k CL

going back and forth from driving my dad's 05 maxima SL and my 02 tl-s... the maxima will take you from a dig since youre AT... the maxima is a torque monster as long as this kid keeps the torque steer under control... if he'll do a 30 mph roll i think you'll be alright... while the maxima still hauls ass ... the TL feels like it pulls harder with the vtec from a roll imo... tell him you want to race from a roll and from a dig that way you each have an advantage... n of course what kind of AZ member would i be if i didnt tell you to of course be safe about doing it

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If the kid can mitigate the TS then, he will make short work of a stock TL 5AT.

iforyou

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Yea, I guess the key of getting a good time with the Maxima is the launch (not saying that it's not important in other cars), the problem C&D had was because of the drive by wire throttle, Nissan probably fixed it in the newer models and thus it might be easier to launch? And also it depends on whether the driver of the maxima has enough practice or not, C&D testers probably only get a few tries but in reality it might take 10 tries to get a good run. But anyways, yea, if the enormous torque of the maxima can be used correctly, then it can be very fast too.

sbuswell

drivers race. maxi's are impressive down low but I think midrange i even pretty even and high end is all TL without a doubt. from 0-100mph it's all TL.

Monte TLS,MAX

[QUOTE=iforyou]C&D manged to do 0-60mph in the TL 6MT in 5.7 sec; in road and track, they did that in 6.3 sec with a 5AT TL. On the other hand, C&D only managed 6.4 sec for the 0-60mph run and 15 sec 1/4mile time (which is even slower than a 2002 TL-S 5AT) with the 6MT model of maxima. The reason for that slow time is because of the drive-by-wire throttle which makes it very hard to launch. So there you have it, if a 6MT maxima takes 6.4 sec to do 0-60mph, it's safe to assume it takes close to 7 sec for a 5AT model.

Anyways, stock vs stock, they have pretty much the same power and they both carry as much weight. The Nissan might feel stronger since it has more torque down at the bottom and mid range, but the TL shines in the top end too, so in the end, they are very close if race from a roll.

Basically, you have a higher chance of winning from a dig, but a close race from a roll. And the point here is, his car is NOT a LOT faster than your car. (QUOTE)




Taken from C/D July 2005

05 Maxima SE Auto

0-60 = 6.1 sec
1/4 = 14.9 @96 mph

iforyou

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[QUOTE=Monte TLS,MAX]Seems like this time the test driver is better, or Nissan improved the drive-by-wire system.

".... requiring 6.4 seconds to achieve 60 mph and 15 seconds flat to cover the quarter-mile...."

From:
2004 Nissan Maxima 3.5SE - Road Tests

A sharper, stronger new Maxima to please the faithful.
BY BARRY WINFIELD, PHOTOGRAPHY BY
March 2003

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...xima-35se.html

For the 2002 TL-S (which is slower than 3rd gen 5AT):

"...they look pretty tame compared with the numbers generated by the Type-S: 60 in 6.2 seconds, 100 in 16.0, and the quarter-mile in 14.8 at 96 mph...."

From:
Acura 3.2TL Type-S - Short Take Road Tests
The latest evidence that more is better.
BY TONY SWAN, BY DAVID DEWHURST
July 2001

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...tl-type-s.html

Monte TLS,MAX

Maxima from 02-06 and TL 04-07, TLS 02-03 all run similiar times.....each having there strong points. Maxima stronger low -mid, TL/TLS up high. Like I have said a many of times here any body in either car claiming that they whooped up on one of the other is a bunch of B.S!

iforyou

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yea, that's exactly true. As long as both cars get a good launch, it's really hard to tell who will win, it's really a race between the drivers. i mean 14.9s vs 14.8s, that difference is too small to tell which is faster. Anyways, at least we all agree on the fact that the maxima is not much faster thant he TL (and vice versa).

Souped

i raced an 03 maxima 6mt with i/h/e and he beat me from 60-160 lol...only advantage was that he had a manual...i have i/h/e/p on an 03 TLS..im def goin to invest in the 6 speed conversion after that race

iforyou

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yea, if he had a MT and you only had AT, he would own you easily. Invest in the 6-speed MT if you have time cash and time, I think one of the members here has done that and he has a tutorial for it.

meowCat

Amen....... That is soooo right.

The TL really shines the faster you go. It doesn't have superior HP and torque but I don't know what the hell is really in this car that runs so smooth and accelerate faster gradually.

meowCat

I haven't seen Maxima 6MT doing 0-60 in 5.7 sec with "stock"....

Overall the TL cars are faster than the Maxima's.

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lostkhan

Since ur just 17, im assuming ur launching skills wont be that great. In my Advise before you try racing him. Try Launching your car from a Red light to get a better hang of it before you Race him from a Dig.

SuperStar

An 8.9 1/8th in a Maxima is no where remotely close to stock. They are in the 9.5-9.6 range.

southern_info

Car was completely stock, no mods, stock tires and all. The dude came to the track with the dealer tags on. I know it's hard to believe but you would of had to been there to see it with you own two eyes. I've seen car's that spank or stay really close to cars that I would of thought would of gotten destroyed.

For instance, I've seen an 350hp GTO spank a STI in the 60ft all the way to the 1/8th. The STI had mods and launch hard as hell. I've race STI's in my old Z and they only manage to get 1.5 cars on me on a launch and I pulled 1.9 60ft on stock tires.

I know things seem hard to believe and you can't think all cars and drivers are the same. There's average drivers, there's good ones and there are drivers who can't drive worth a crap.

SuperStar

Then it's simple, the track timer's were not accurate.

Being over .5 seconds faster than a WELL driven manual Maxima is not a 'factory freak,' it's bullshit.

FYI I've seen a few 'stock with dealer plate' cars that were not close to stock. Not to mention a 50-75 shot would certainly be feasible for a pass with temp tags. I know a few people that have done that as well, and it would make sense in this case.


If you pull a 1.9 in your car, the STi is not going to maul you on the launch. So your example doesnt matter. Same deal with the GTO. If you can make a RWD launch sub 2.0, you're going to hang with a lot of modified AWD cars. (within reason)

southern_info

The maxima was stock period! I'm not going to sit here and get into a pissing contest with you. Here's a pic of my homeboy's maxima which isn't a good one but this one has mods and was a manual. This maxima in these pics has Greddy EVO exhaust and intake plus a couple more mods, which I don't remember. He pulled 9.1 in his maxima at the same track and got spank by the stock maxima I'm talking about. He race me in my Z and stay like 4-6 cars behind me because of my launch to the finish line in a 1.8th. I didn't race the stock maxima, so I can't tell you the results but I know what the slips say. I know it's hard to believe and my homie was tripping too, when a auto maxima that was stock could launch like it did and pull 8.9 in the 1/8th. But like I said, some drivers are better than others period. When the Z first came out and C&D claim 14.0 in 1/4th but there were stock Z's pulling 13.4 in 1/4 in stock form at the track. I can't explain everything but the slips don't lie. Here's a couple of pics to prove I had a homie with a maxima!

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SuperStar

A STOCK maxima is not running an 8.9 8th mile, pictures prove NOTHING.

If that 'modified' maxima is getting spanked by a 'STOCK' maxima, it only further proves that it is not stock and someone is lying to you.

Factory freaks are a great thing, but running WAY beyond average doesnt make sense. He's an auto with a hidden shot, that's why he's running way more than half a second faster in the 1/8th than he should.

Do you realize what an 8.9 1/8th mile time translates to in a Maxima? Again, tell me it was stock.

Slips dont lie? I could use the slip my Vette has and say it's my Acura TL. I can prove it with a picture too.
That's right, automatic TL runs 13.0@110 and change, BONE STOCK! I have a slip to prove it!

DIRTYJOHN

maybe there track is going downward.. I see lots of track go downward and ppl get really good time and when they come to houston to run their car run like crap.. Like this 350z has a 8.8 time from CAli. he was visiting houston and i ran him at the track put 2 cars and i got 8.8 and he got 9.4

SuperStar

Definitely a possible factor, but he's talking about an Automatic Maxima that if it is running an 8.9 1/8th, is running considerably more than a second faster than he should be in the full 1/4. We call that sneaky pete.

southern_info

I guess you know everything in the world! Let me say this again to you, I was at the track too when the maxima ran a 8.9 in the 1/8th. I watch my homeboy's maxima get beat and I look at the time slip with my own two eyes. If you want to know what a 8.9 calculates to in the 1/4 it's 13.7 but I'll say he could have ran a 14.0 because it is an auto and the gears are way longer than a 6th speed transmission. I'm done arguing with you and you can't be in disbelief all you want man.

here's the conversion table to calculate 1/4 from 1/8th >> (1/8th time + .22 / .665 ) = 1/4th time

SuperStar

I dont doubt that you were there, HOWEVER, you have no idea if he had a small shot or not. He's running so much faster in the 1/8th than he should, that being a good driver and having a factory freak do not explain it. If he's a VQ35 he's running almost a second faster than he should be in the 1/4 and if he's a 30 he's 1.5 seconds faster. Those are not little numbers.

He was lying to you about being totally stock.

I have a great example.

A guy around here was running around in a 'stock' SVT contour. He goes to the track and runs 14.2 and everyone calls him gods gift to driving the 5 spd. This goes on for two years and then guess what, one day he BLOWS HIS MOTOR UP. What a shock, he was hiding a 75 shot the whole time with no supporting mods.

His nozzle was hidden and for whatever reason everyone was too excited to 'hear' anything odd.

southern_info

Okay maybe your right! So what is a stock maxima suppose to run? That 6spd maxima you saw in my pics that runs 9.1-9.3 is that hard for you to believe? It was only done with just I/E and AFC for performance only? I know for a fact that's all my homie had and those times are what he runs consistently pulling 2.2 60ft on average.

SuperStar

That time is definitely not hard to believe in a modified 6 spd.

Not to mention a 2.2 60 ft is not horrible for a FWD sedan.

If he's a stock auto maxima I'd be shocked if he were faster than 9.5 in the 1/8th. (if he's a vq35)