05 G35 vs. 02 tl-s
12-22-2007, 09:07 PM
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05 G35 vs. 02 tl-s
my friend got a g35 6speed and was dissin how slow my car was. i told him to prove it on the streets. we hit up a street and line up. i count down and i win. so he said that it was an unfair count. so i let him count down the next 3 times and i still take him. but from a 10mph roll we were dead even.
my tl-s, k&n drop in intake, stock Michelin tires
g35- Aem cold air intake, blizzak tires.
never knew the tl-s was so fast
my tl-s, k&n drop in intake, stock Michelin tires
g35- Aem cold air intake, blizzak tires.
never knew the tl-s was so fast
12-23-2007, 12:16 AM
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12-23-2007, 11:12 AM
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No comment on the outcomes of street racing.
Tell him to get rid of that ricer intake. Numerous dynos have proven that AEM, Injen, and other CAIs for the the G and Z suck out about 5whp to 8whp.
Tell him to get rid of that ricer intake. Numerous dynos have proven that AEM, Injen, and other CAIs for the the G and Z suck out about 5whp to 8whp.
12-23-2007, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
No comment on the outcomes of street racing.
Tell him to get rid of that ricer intake. Numerous dynos have proven that AEM, Injen, and other CAIs for the the G and Z suck out about 5whp to 8whp.
Tell him to get rid of that ricer intake. Numerous dynos have proven that AEM, Injen, and other CAIs for the the G and Z suck out about 5whp to 8whp.
why would a true CAI hurt any cars performance? that doesn't make any sense, please explain.
12-23-2007, 12:40 PM
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dave_b, admit it.. As much as i like g35's/Z's// the fkin owners are cocky. Well, A LOT of them at least. i have a friend that is also. He had a 350Z and stockish at the time w/ AEM intake. All i had was a AEM CAI as well. We rolled from around 10, and i kept up with him and pulling on him really slowly.. BOTH OF US WERE AUTO. We also both had 1 people in the car.. he let go after like 3rd gear and would NOT admit that he was losing.
The night was good all the way until I OWNED HIS 350Z. I made his night shitty, lol.
But that's not the point. I believe the TL has a lot of potential, being a FWD.
And YES, the g35 dude lookin down on the TL-S shows that he's obviously biased till the 02 Tl-S owned his ass. Thank you.
The night was good all the way until I OWNED HIS 350Z. I made his night shitty, lol.
But that's not the point. I believe the TL has a lot of potential, being a FWD.
And YES, the g35 dude lookin down on the TL-S shows that he's obviously biased till the 02 Tl-S owned his ass. Thank you.
12-23-2007, 01:24 PM
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You need to get that bottle in ASAP!!!! You should be smokin' cars like DIRTY JOHN! 
12-23-2007, 05:33 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
why would a true CAI hurt any cars performance? that doesn't make any sense, please explain.
@OP Your friend can't drive stick. Doesn't matter how long he's driven one if he never learned the fast way.
~Cheers~
12-24-2007, 01:09 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
why would a true CAI hurt any cars performance? that doesn't make any sense, please explain.
Here's the stock intake removed from a G35. The over radiator snorkel is on the left and the Power Duct is on the front of the air box. The lower extension is a water trap and small resonator.
There is no shortage of air supply for the stock intake.
12-24-2007, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
Because Nissan spent a lot of time and money making the stock intake an honest to god CAI that becomes pressurized at speed. The 1st gen G35 uses an over radiator snorkel along with a secondary duct mounted directly on the front of the airbox. The duct or what Nissan calls the "Power Duct", is pressurized at speeds above 60mph and adds exceptional throttle response along with a deep induction sound. Adding a CAI intake, takes away the pressurization effect, adds 16" of intake runner length which kills high rpm air velocity, the piping is metal therefore it heat soaks badly, and the locates the filter in a hot and air stagent environment. Dyno after dyno shows that CAI-style intakes on these cars loose an average of 8whp. POP style intake add 2-3whp at various points along the power curve, but if the engine bay is steaming hot, the intake temps skyrocket to around 150 degrees and as much as 15whp can be lost.
~Cheers~
12-24-2007, 07:03 PM
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I cannot state with any certainty when it comes to HP but, the Injen CAI intake on my 02 Maxima definitely seemed to cost me some lb-ft on the low end.....which is not necessarily a bad thing particularly with regard to torque steer issues.
12-25-2007, 11:44 PM
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I've ran into a few auto G35 coupes, and to be honest, they're surprisingly weak off the line. I took one out in my 04 auto, and my old 02-TL-S was stronger off the line than my 04. The 6-speeds are a bit faster though.
12-26-2007, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
I've ran into a few auto G35 coupes, and to be honest, they're surprisingly weak off the line. I took one out in my 04 auto, and my old 02-TL-S was stronger off the line than my 04. The 6-speeds are a bit faster though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXttYLZZGIc
Proof that with a good driver, and auto can beat a 6MT. Oh and yes, that's me beating the 6MT G35 @ 1:10!
~Cheers~
P.S. My friend in the auto G35 shot ahead to get a better angle for the vid but the cameraman sucks at recording, haha.
12-26-2007, 01:56 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
I've ran into a few auto G35 coupes, and to be honest, they're surprisingly weak off the line. I took one out in my 04 auto, and my old 02-TL-S was stronger off the line than my 04. The 6-speeds are a bit faster though.
01-09-2008, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K2SilverTL-S
I've ran into a few auto G35 coupes, and to be honest, they're surprisingly weak off the line. I took one out in my 04 auto, and my old 02-TL-S was stronger off the line than my 04. The 6-speeds are a bit faster though.
01-09-2008, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
Hmmm....my G35 consistently pulls mid to low 2.1 60 foots at the track which I admit feels slow as hell, but I don't any TL's on this site pulling 2.1 60 foots on street tires. Most seem to be in the mid to upper 2.2s or 2.3s. That's a pretty big difference if you're a drag racer.
01-09-2008, 01:25 PM
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I think Dave_B knows his stuff about the G35s but he doesnt know too much about the TLs in general. So when he sees someone saying the TL beat a G35 he pops out saying how its impossible and that the TL is always slower. Thats what i looks like to me.
Dave_b, when i said my 3rd gen TL-S beat a G35 with intake you said it was because the CAI sucks power out, but i also beat him when he was stock and the results were very similar. You also said my friend didnt know how to drive his AUTOMATIC G35.... whats next?
Dave_b, when i said my 3rd gen TL-S beat a G35 with intake you said it was because the CAI sucks power out, but i also beat him when he was stock and the results were very similar. You also said my friend didnt know how to drive his AUTOMATIC G35.... whats next?
01-09-2008, 02:11 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by juruki
I think Dave_B knows his stuff about the G35s but he doesnt know too much about the TLs in general. So when he sees someone saying the TL beat a G35 he pops out saying how its impossible and that the TL is always slower. Thats what i looks like to me.
Dave_b, when i said my 3rd gen TL-S beat a G35 with intake you said it was because the CAI sucks power out, but i also beat him when he was stock and the results were very similar. You also said my friend didnt know how to drive his AUTOMATIC G35.... whats next?
Dave_b, when i said my 3rd gen TL-S beat a G35 with intake you said it was because the CAI sucks power out, but i also beat him when he was stock and the results were very similar. You also said my friend didnt know how to drive his AUTOMATIC G35.... whats next?
I do know VQ motors quite well and I know what works on them and what doesn't. A CAI does not work. Period. I've even tried a CAI on my old VQ30 and it hurt my 1/4 mile times, especially MPH. I've also seen a handful of dynos showing CAIs hurting power numbers on the VQ30/VQ35 cars.
The reality is most G35 owners are clueless about racing, whether an auto or manual. Getting the most out of G auto isn't as simple as planting the gas and steering. You have to brake stall, but not too much or the ECU will kill power dramatically and you have to manually shift or else the tranny will shift too soon on the 2-3 and 3-4. If you let the car do it's own thing, you'll be .3 to .4 seconds slower in the 1/4 mile. That's a fact and it's repeatable with my car on the strip. It means the difference between pulling a mid 2.3 60 foot which is slow as hell or pulling lower 2.1 60 foots which is decent. It doesn't shock me that so many people note that the G35 auto is "slow". Go to G35driver.com and you'll see the 1/4 mile times between those that know how to drive the autos and then the ones that don't. It's the difference between running 13.9s-14.3s and 14.6s-14.9s.
01-09-2008, 03:16 PM
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Dave B is welcome to contribute to the forum as he lends a perspective to Nissan and VQs that is sorely deficient with most folks who post here. 9 times out of 10, Dave's assertions seem to reflect my own experiences owning, running and running against a number of Nissan VQ35 offerings.
CAIs WILL sap the torque from VQ35 motors. Period. My 02 Maxima had noteably less low end after its install, though I felt some gain at midrange. This is why many 5.5G Maxima guys preferred the Frankencar intake over the CAI. That said, my CAI never stopped my 5.5G Maxima 4AT from laying the hurt on a number of 04-06 TL 5ATs. (I do not know the extent of the CAI's performance detraction when it comes to the G35 and other FM Nissans.)
Now, TL and TL-S are great sports sedans. 9.5/10 times, it can probably perform on par with its Infiniti and Lexus counterparts. (Having driven the E90 335i I can state that it is in a different league totally. IIRC, one mag contest has it beating the RS4 in track times -- something neither the G35, TL-S nor IS350 will do.)
However (and with all do respect to that one track comparison, where the TL-S triumphed), the G35S should outperform the TL-S at the edge of the envelope (rem .5/10). But that does not mean the TL-S is any less of a sports sedan nor does it mean that there wont be a number of encounters where it will beat a G35.
CAIs WILL sap the torque from VQ35 motors. Period. My 02 Maxima had noteably less low end after its install, though I felt some gain at midrange. This is why many 5.5G Maxima guys preferred the Frankencar intake over the CAI. That said, my CAI never stopped my 5.5G Maxima 4AT from laying the hurt on a number of 04-06 TL 5ATs. (I do not know the extent of the CAI's performance detraction when it comes to the G35 and other FM Nissans.)
Now, TL and TL-S are great sports sedans. 9.5/10 times, it can probably perform on par with its Infiniti and Lexus counterparts. (Having driven the E90 335i I can state that it is in a different league totally. IIRC, one mag contest has it beating the RS4 in track times -- something neither the G35, TL-S nor IS350 will do.)
However (and with all do respect to that one track comparison, where the TL-S triumphed), the G35S should outperform the TL-S at the edge of the envelope (rem .5/10). But that does not mean the TL-S is any less of a sports sedan nor does it mean that there wont be a number of encounters where it will beat a G35.
01-09-2008, 03:42 PM
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Let me also add that I am highly critical of the G35. It is not the end all to sports sedans. I know you guys think I'm trying to give you a bunch of grief about the TLs, but I'm just as critical on g35driver.com. I'd like to think I offer some sort of a voice of reason when it comes automobiles in general. I don't proclaim to be an expert on everything, but I will offer up some reason and logic when needed.
Street kills are just silly and really prove nothing because a fraction of a second difference in reaction time means a 14.6 second car will beat a 14.2 second car. I'm seriously considering on making a Youtube video of two identical Hot Wheels cars racing down my 3 y/o son's Hot Wheels track
One car will be released .5 seconds earlier than other and it will clearly show just how much of a lead the first car will take on the other.
Street kills are just silly and really prove nothing because a fraction of a second difference in reaction time means a 14.6 second car will beat a 14.2 second car. I'm seriously considering on making a Youtube video of two identical Hot Wheels cars racing down my 3 y/o son's Hot Wheels track
One car will be released .5 seconds earlier than other and it will clearly show just how much of a lead the first car will take on the other.
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01-09-2008, 03:53 PM
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I'm sure we all (or most of us) welcome other car owners on this forum. It's just that at some occasions, when you say things such as other cars being faster than the TL, there's no doubt that people will not like that. It happens in every forum, not just this one. I don't call those races BS, or the results as BS, this is an Acura TL forum, so it's not surprising if you see a lot of kills against the G35 or any other cars in the same segment. It's not like people are claiming they smoke Enzo's on a daily basis.
The TL isn't an easy car to launch too, we all know its FWD and its traction off the line sucks. That's why, like DaveB has pointed out many times, it's rare to see them doing anything better than 2.3s for the 60ft. It's hard, but not impossible, as demonstrated by a few TL owners such as type-s09.
Forget about the track times at Willow Springs, it's been discussed for way too many times. The point is, the TL's performance/handling is on par with its RWD competitors, period. Nothing more, nothing less. What that means is, neither the G35 nor the TL-S will smoke each other on the track. Besides, check out the video as well, look at the oversteer of the TL.
The TL isn't an easy car to launch too, we all know its FWD and its traction off the line sucks. That's why, like DaveB has pointed out many times, it's rare to see them doing anything better than 2.3s for the 60ft. It's hard, but not impossible, as demonstrated by a few TL owners such as type-s09.
Forget about the track times at Willow Springs, it's been discussed for way too many times. The point is, the TL's performance/handling is on par with its RWD competitors, period. Nothing more, nothing less. What that means is, neither the G35 nor the TL-S will smoke each other on the track. Besides, check out the video as well, look at the oversteer of the TL.
01-09-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Forget about the track times at Willow Springs, it's been discussed for way too many times. The point is, the TL's performance/handling is on par with its RWD competitors, period. Nothing more, nothing less. What that means is, neither the G35 nor the TL-S will smoke each other on the track. Besides, check out the video as well, look at the oversteer of the TL.
The only test I've ever seen the TL out-performing the G35 was that Willow Springs test. Everything else I've seen puts the G a couple notches higher. Back in 2004, Motor Trend tested the TL vs the G35 (TL, CTS, G35, 9-3). In terms of handling and braking, the G35 won decisively on all accounts:1/4 mile
TL 14.78@94.4mph
G35 14.68@94.02mph
Figure 8 (truely shows the handling potential of a car)
TL 27.3 sec @ 0.65gs
G35 26.8 @ 0.66
Braking 100mph to 0mph
TL 372'
G35 320'
Braking 60mph to 0mph
TL 128'
G35 111'
600' slalom
TL 64.1mph
G35 65.2mph
Quotes regarding the performance of the TL:
A full 61 percent of the car's weight is on the front wheels, making those tires shoulder much more of the handling and braking chores.
Acura compensates for this somewhat by fitting the TL with larger cross-section tires, but the car lacks the front/rear balance of the others in this test.
Accelerating into a turn, the TL's torque-sensing, variable-assist steering has a tentative, darty quality. Too bad.
This lack of balance extends to the brakes; the TL consistently needed more real estate to bring all that sporty luxury to a halt.
In many ways the TL is the ultimate Honda Accord. Like the Accord, the TL is packed with value.
Acura compensates for this somewhat by fitting the TL with larger cross-section tires, but the car lacks the front/rear balance of the others in this test.
Accelerating into a turn, the TL's torque-sensing, variable-assist steering has a tentative, darty quality. Too bad.
This lack of balance extends to the brakes; the TL consistently needed more real estate to bring all that sporty luxury to a halt.
In many ways the TL is the ultimate Honda Accord. Like the Accord, the TL is packed with value.
There's so much control in the rear-drive model, the G35 can play toss and catch with eagerness. Steering turn-in is delightfully positive, the car's reflexes are quick but predictable. The car obediently goes where the driver points it; just frame the road between the vertical headlamp bulges on the front fenders like a pair of goalposts and apply throttle.
Variable valve timing helps make this a very tractable engine, with useable torque arrayed across a wide range of engine speeds. The five-speed automatic transmission reels off quick, positive shifts like a family doctor pulling off a Band-Aid.
None of the sport sedans in our test group drops anchor better than the G35. Without breaking a sweat, our Infiniti consistently scrubbed off forward velocity quicker than Britney Spears getting a marriage annulment.
Tiny, unseen bumps and road imperfections filter into the Infiniti's cabin, but we'd call them more communicative than annoying.
For now, what we have is an almost unbeatable benchmark, especially when you consider price and value. The G35 offers BMW 330i levels of performance, handling, and sophistication for many, many thousands fewer dollars.
Variable valve timing helps make this a very tractable engine, with useable torque arrayed across a wide range of engine speeds. The five-speed automatic transmission reels off quick, positive shifts like a family doctor pulling off a Band-Aid.
None of the sport sedans in our test group drops anchor better than the G35. Without breaking a sweat, our Infiniti consistently scrubbed off forward velocity quicker than Britney Spears getting a marriage annulment.
Tiny, unseen bumps and road imperfections filter into the Infiniti's cabin, but we'd call them more communicative than annoying.
For now, what we have is an almost unbeatable benchmark, especially when you consider price and value. The G35 offers BMW 330i levels of performance, handling, and sophistication for many, many thousands fewer dollars.
01-09-2008, 09:55 PM
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well if any one with a g35 that lives around chicago, skokie, harwood hts., or norrige want to race and we could make a video as well to see how much difference there is. sounds stupid i know but im hearing a lot the the g35 and 350z are slow and are getting too much credit.
01-10-2008, 01:41 AM
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hey Dave B, that Willow Springs comparison was done with a TL Type S....
Besides, the comparison you are referring to is this:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._acura_tl.html
If you've noticed, that's a 5AT TL. And we all know (or at least we should know) that the 5AT is much slower than the 6MT TL. Also its handling is a lot worst. Remember, 5AT TL's didn't have upgraded brakes (well you can argue that the G35 did not either) and had shitty Turanza tires, as opposed to Brembo brakes and Potenza tires in the 6MT model. There's also one other important factor, the 6MT has LSD, while the 5AT doesn't. All of these combined make a large difference. So I'm not a bit surprised that the 5AT is slower than the G35. But hey, the TL did have a higher trap time in the 1/4 mile, that I was a bit surprised.
As stated by C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/7062/acura-tl.html),
"If you want to maximize transient responses and corner getaways, you've gotta have the manual tranny and its allied hardware. Plus the tires, of course, which are available only with six-speed editions."
Now check out the 6MT model with the Turanza tires,
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-tl-page3.html
Zero to 30 mph 2.2
40 mph 3.3
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.7
70 mph 7.6
80 mph 9.4
90 mph 11.9
100 mph 14.6
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.8
130 mph 28.6
Street start, 5-60 mph 6.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph 10.4
50-70 mph 10.3
Standing 1/4-mile 14.4 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited) 152 mph
BRAKING
70-0 mph @ impending lockup 189 ft
HANDLING
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.81 g
Compared with the A-spec model in the COLD weather with standard Yokohama tires (http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...pec-page2.html)
ransmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 107.9 in
Length/width/height: .186.2/72.2/56.7 in
Curb weight: 3543 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 28.4 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 152 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 174 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
In another comparison, with th normal 6MT model with the standard potenza tires, the braking distance is 160ft.
Clearly, the Turanza on the 5AT model is garbage when it comes to performance. The 5AT model is designed for families, not car enthusiasts. The 6MT model, with its standard Potenza tires, LSD, and brembo brakes, improve the car's braking distance (189 to 174), skidpad number (0.81g vs 0.90), etc. Again, those improved times were collected when the weather was cold, meaning that the car could've done even better.
And then when you look at the TL Type S, it's even better (0.93g, while using inferior tires than IS350 and G35, RE030 vs RE050).
BTW, I call those "standard" tires because they don't cost you a penny when you order your car.
Besides, the comparison you are referring to is this:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._acura_tl.html
If you've noticed, that's a 5AT TL. And we all know (or at least we should know) that the 5AT is much slower than the 6MT TL. Also its handling is a lot worst. Remember, 5AT TL's didn't have upgraded brakes (well you can argue that the G35 did not either) and had shitty Turanza tires, as opposed to Brembo brakes and Potenza tires in the 6MT model. There's also one other important factor, the 6MT has LSD, while the 5AT doesn't. All of these combined make a large difference. So I'm not a bit surprised that the 5AT is slower than the G35. But hey, the TL did have a higher trap time in the 1/4 mile, that I was a bit surprised.
As stated by C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/7062/acura-tl.html),
"If you want to maximize transient responses and corner getaways, you've gotta have the manual tranny and its allied hardware. Plus the tires, of course, which are available only with six-speed editions."
Now check out the 6MT model with the Turanza tires,
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-tl-page3.html
Zero to 30 mph 2.2
40 mph 3.3
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.7
70 mph 7.6
80 mph 9.4
90 mph 11.9
100 mph 14.6
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.8
130 mph 28.6
Street start, 5-60 mph 6.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph 10.4
50-70 mph 10.3
Standing 1/4-mile 14.4 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited) 152 mph
BRAKING
70-0 mph @ impending lockup 189 ft
HANDLING
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.81 g
Compared with the A-spec model in the COLD weather with standard Yokohama tires (http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...pec-page2.html)
ransmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 107.9 in
Length/width/height: .186.2/72.2/56.7 in
Curb weight: 3543 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 5.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 28.4 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.3 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 152 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 174 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
In another comparison, with th normal 6MT model with the standard potenza tires, the braking distance is 160ft.
Clearly, the Turanza on the 5AT model is garbage when it comes to performance. The 5AT model is designed for families, not car enthusiasts. The 6MT model, with its standard Potenza tires, LSD, and brembo brakes, improve the car's braking distance (189 to 174), skidpad number (0.81g vs 0.90), etc. Again, those improved times were collected when the weather was cold, meaning that the car could've done even better.
And then when you look at the TL Type S, it's even better (0.93g, while using inferior tires than IS350 and G35, RE030 vs RE050).
BTW, I call those "standard" tires because they don't cost you a penny when you order your car.