6spdzoomzoom

I own both cars, My S2k does not feel nearly as fast as my Tl. I still trying to figure out a way to race myself. I don't really trust anyone I know to race me. I know they arte different kinds of cars, It intrigue me as to which one is faster.

Aspector Gadget

Get a stop watch and time yourself from 0-60 in each one.

yield2s

The incredibly high reving, race developed engine is why the S2000 is bad ass little ride and faster then a TL,, at least from a light.

BTW I heard the new S2000 has a detuned engine/rev limit compaired to the previous model, Is that true?

acur8ly

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The s2000 should kill the TL. Take both cars to the track and check the 1/4 mile runs

poohlikeshunny

I have an S2000 and a 00TL...my TL is obviously not as fast as as the 04's, but I do know that when I let my buddy drive my tl and raced me, the S2000 was noticeably faster. It kept on pulling...but you do have the make sure when you shift you stay in VTEC, otherwise the S2000 REALLY begins to drop off. The only things on the cars are...an AEM CAI on the S2000, and the intake resonator removed onthe S2000.

VQ35DE

The S2K never "feels" quick as it only has 162lb-ft (2.2L). Torque is what makes the car feel fast. I've driven my friend's S2K and if you're not in VTEC, a Corolla can take one out. But once you cross over, it's a rocket. (BTW, my friend ran a 13.9sec ET with his 2.0L S2K)

A well driven S2K should beat a well driven TL 6MT but not by much. $.02

mantis23

the s2K lives only in vtec range, its a dog at low RPMs.

NightRider

As are ALL hondas, it would be nice to see Honda even take away some at the top if they had to and give us a little more down low. When was the last time anyone here was commuting driving at 6K? (Besides me )

mantis23

Well, I've toned it down to 5K for the daily commute. :P

6spdzoomzoom

That what they did with the 04 S2k. More torque a little bigger engine it redlines lower. Iteresting thing though TOV threw a couple of 04 S2k's on a Dyno and they were putting out about 260 hp at the fly. I'll try and locate the thread its kind of interesting.

Road Rage

I own both, and have modded mine after baselining its performance.

The S2000 is quicker and faster.

Quicker: faster accelerating
Faster: Higher top speed

The TL feels faster because of the torque - a good stick man in an S2000 will always win, especially from a roll. A bad stick man will likely lose to a 5AT, at least up to 100 mph or so. The S2000 has superior gearing, and better traction off the line - it does require a severe clutch drop to really get the best times, but it is a consistent mid 5's car, and a good driver can get it under 14 in the quarter.

BTW, check online about using LE-607 in the differential. I found that product, and it is selling like wildfire - the engineers at LE know me by name when I call, and I have been involved in giving them advice on future product development, including a dedicated tranny fluid (which would be great for the 6MT as well), and, yes, a 5w20 synblend using similar chemistry as their awesome 8130 10w30 (for the warranty crowd).

mantis23

^^^ Perfectly stated.

Havok423

TL:
C&D:
0-60 5.80 sec.
1/4 Mile 14.50 sec.

R&T
0-60 6.30 sec.
1/4 Mile 14.80 sec.




S2000:
Motortrend:
0-60 5.80 sec.
1/4 Mile 14.19 sec.


They're pretty close. Depends on the driver probably. Now handling? S2000 kicks TL butt.

Road Rage

The ET is the killer - that much of a gap (.31 best case for the TL) is not just a kill, it is murder. More than two car lengths.

MR-REV-HI

Especially on the freeway, the S2000 is much faster. I had my gf drive the tl and my friend and I in the S2 with the top down (s2k has exhaust and intake). We started from 45 mph or so and she (tl) went first. I immediately downshifted and it was over from there. We let off at 110 and I (S2K) was at least 3 lengths and pulling. BTW it's an 01 S2000.

yield2s

was that a TL-S? I didnt think the high speed race would be that bad.

Havok423

It really doesn't matter. The TL is not a barn burner, it's a luxury car that has pretty good muscle.

The S2000 is a great sports car, but it is loud as hell and I could never use it as a daily driver. Now if I had the cash for a 2nd toy...

MR-REV-HI

Yeah, it was pretty bad. It is a 04 tl auto. She said she just floored it and hung on. The S2 is in it's "zone" on the freeway. Actually, I've raced her(tl) in my 2003 530ia and it was pretty close. This race was from a stop and she was a car length or so in front at about 75-80.

da_illist_onE

Having owned both. I can contest that the S will out run and out corner a TL everytime handsdown. But, only when being piloted by an experienced driver who can take the S to it's limit. The TL only feels fast because of it's low-end torque, something the S really lacks. Both are great cars in totally different classes.

Aegir

Guilty.

6spdzoomzoom

Here is the link on the dyno test...

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=2

geminis2

Take both cars on the track and do a 1/4 mile and a race coarse.

da_illist_onE

I second that.

kilrb

You call anything more than two car lengths in the 1/4 mile a murder? I reserve murder for more than two car lengths in each gear.

Sherlock

5.8 seconds on the S2000 ?? that is the worst number I've seen yet. I've always seen 5.0 and 5.1 from the best testers..

dougpt10

As most have said, the s2000 is a "drivers" car. Unless you are revving high into the vtech range it will not perform so all of those middle aged men driving them shifting at 3 grand are not "drivers" obviously. An experienced driver who is not afraid to rev it will kill the TL.

NightRider

Would I be wrong to say that the S2000 also has a considerable weight advantage over the TL? This is why the "real ricers" who actually put turbos and such in their cars, not just fart can exhaust, only have hatchbacks and coupes, less weight. This is why the true kit cars can pull high 3's and low 4's with VERY small engines, they only weigh several hundred pounds.

Monte TLS,MAX

Were have you seen those low times, all pubs have gotten from 5.4-5.8 for the S2000 going back to 2000?

Tennisjon2002

I own a 2000 S2K and an 04 TL. I see exactly where ur coming from the TL really feels faster but that is becauase U have 2 get in the VTECH on the S2K. It is one hell of a feeling hitting 6000 rpms on the S2K. U can REALLY fell the vtech.

Nitrotiger

MY buddy has an s2000 and i have the tl-6 speed and when he was stock i would leave him hard at least 3 cars. When he added the exhaust we are dead even until 120mph then he starts to pull a little. but the 2 cars are really close at least on a roll on. Dead stop the S2k will beat the TL-6 for obvious reasons tracation.

TLOBLLC

use G-TECH COMP

perform runs in both cars and compare the results

Nitrotiger

The 2 cars are close as hell my buddy ran 14.0 to my 14.21 and he just 60ft my ass!!! he traped 99mph i trap 98mph the cars are close. but the s2k would walk a auto tl with no problem!!

Road Rage

It doesn't add up about your races with your friend; he either got better or you got worse- the exhaust adds perhaps 3 HP. 3 car lengths would require at least a 30 HP advantage, all things being equal.

My 2004 S2000 has more power (dynos have shown it), more torque, and lower gearing in 1-4 than the 00-03 cars, so it is pretty quick. It also weights 700 pounds less than a TL! Given all that and its 240 HP, it should consistently walk a TL, and it aint because of traction, it is because of the total numbers. But I agree that if the S2000 driver flubs the start, the TL in either man or auto can grab a lead - at higher speed, the HP to weight advantage of the S2000 becomes the dominant element, as you stated.

ColdFusionTL

An s2000 should win. I've seen 0-60 times as fast as 5.4 and quarter miles 13.6-13.8 with a really good driver of course

Nitrotiger

Road rage your dyno is most likely 210 stock to 215whp i know they make more power he had an 03 with exhaust and it put down 210whp he has a freak. Also the tl goes rich after 6k like 11.8 from 13.0 mine had been dynoyed that is why he comes back on me upstairs becuase the computer is pulling HP from the motor after 6k. ON the highway both cars are very close. At least i know it close in my tl it hauls butt

geminis2

I had a S2000 you have to Rev at 6000 to 6700 rpm to lauch a S2000 properly for a dragrace. The S2000 was fast but my 2004 TL feels better for the street more bottom end. I think it would be up to the driver. One little hint to beat a S2000 it has to be 80 dergrees outside the engine loves to Bog down and lose power to heat soak. Vented Hoods a must in a S2000. And also gears 4.77s