03 6spd Max vs. 08 TL-S 5AT Results
12-19-2009, 02:17 PM
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Thank god they gained 400lbs? I guess that does make them easier for you to actually beat in a race 
I hate the 6th gen body style (04-08), personally. The front end in general is the worst, but they're just so huge and slow. Imo Nissan's "4 door sports car" stopped production in 2003. It got even worse with the abolishment of the 6-speed in 2007. CVT ugh.
I hate the 6th gen body style (04-08), personally. The front end in general is the worst, but they're just so huge and slow. Imo Nissan's "4 door sports car" stopped production in 2003. It got even worse with the abolishment of the 6-speed in 2007. CVT ugh.
12-19-2009, 02:37 PM
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Thank god they gained 400lbs? I guess that does make them easier for you to actually beat in a race
I hate the 6th gen body style (04-08), personally. The front end in general is the worst, but they're just so huge and slow. Imo Nissan's "4 door sports car" stopped production in 2003. It got even worse with the abolishment of the 6-speed in 2007. CVT ugh.
I hate the 6th gen body style (04-08), personally. The front end in general is the worst, but they're just so huge and slow. Imo Nissan's "4 door sports car" stopped production in 2003. It got even worse with the abolishment of the 6-speed in 2007. CVT ugh.
I agree that the older Maxima's were much better looking then the new ones.
12-19-2009, 03:55 PM
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Makes perfect sense and it was a misunderstanding. Now we are clear. 
I think what we're having here is a misunderstanding. The actual amount of boost isn't nearly as important as how much torque the rods are being subjected to (since rods are our weak point), and you can put down just as much power on 8psi with a APS TT kit as you can at 11-12psi with a HX35 or GT35 build. Obviously, that would give a different impression of how much "boost" it can hold safely, which is why it's a completely stupid way of rating how much your bottom end can handle since different turbochargers will be safe at different boost levels.
For example 8psi on a small T3/T4 turbo is 330-340whp for us... You can push it to 12-14 PSI without a hitch still being in the very low 400whp range. Compare that with some of the larger turbos like the T-60 that comes with the Turbonetics kit, and you can barely push 8psi before you're over 400whp.
That is why I asked him how much they can make on a stock bottom end... IE power/torque. Not how much boost, since that is subjective based on your individual turbo and setup.
Simply stating "8PSI IS THE LIMIT" is stupid without a specific turbocharger named since that will be subjective. Try putting 8psi from something huge like one of those 100+mm beasts they like to run on single turbo V8s/etc on a stock VQ35 bottom end and watch the fireworks.
If all this doesn't make sense to you, then there's no point in continuing debate.
For example 8psi on a small T3/T4 turbo is 330-340whp for us... You can push it to 12-14 PSI without a hitch still being in the very low 400whp range. Compare that with some of the larger turbos like the T-60 that comes with the Turbonetics kit, and you can barely push 8psi before you're over 400whp.
That is why I asked him how much they can make on a stock bottom end... IE power/torque. Not how much boost, since that is subjective based on your individual turbo and setup.
Simply stating "8PSI IS THE LIMIT" is stupid without a specific turbocharger named since that will be subjective. Try putting 8psi from something huge like one of those 100+mm beasts they like to run on single turbo V8s/etc on a stock VQ35 bottom end and watch the fireworks.
If all this doesn't make sense to you, then there's no point in continuing debate.
12-19-2009, 09:40 PM
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It took me a while to appreciate 4th gens, and I still only like them when tastefully modded with a conservative lip kit and lighting changes. Same goes for the 5th gen, pretty much. These cars could have looked so much nicer from the factory.
12-19-2009, 10:02 PM
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5th gen SE Maxima still look good and sporty and most think that, now the 6th gen is hideous IMO. 7th and 5th are the best looking and sportiest looking IMO.
12-20-2009, 07:34 AM
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....and if I come across another one (or an I35) on the cheap (in decent condition and respectable mileage), I'll pick one up.
12-20-2009, 03:01 PM
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I remember that you had an 02 Max, what happened to it? I'm going to keep my 03 for as long as it runs to go along with my Z. I still love driving it as well.
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12-20-2009, 03:03 PM
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The 4spd auto in the 02/03 Maxima's/I35 aren't bad at all and they make good use of the power, nothing like Honda's auto trannies either 4spd auto or 5. They redline quick and shift quickly.
12-20-2009, 06:15 PM
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I'm sure it does redline and shift quickly and probably has less drivetrain loss than Honda's 5at, but I can't see the gearing being too good with a 4 speed.
12-20-2009, 07:12 PM
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It's still within the family, specifically belonging to my wife's cousin so I still drive it occasionally. Ironically, my son exchanged his Atli for my old Max for about two weeks due to a broken finger in his right hand. Unfortunately, my old Max has not been that well taken care of (i.e.: running on 87 octane, in need of a serious alignment, three of four bent wheel and a crap load of..well....crap in the trunk).
In spite of that, it still pulls a ton harder than my old 07 AV6 -- which I really have not missed much since trading it for the MDX (though that sentiment may change if pump prices hit $4/gal again)!!
12-20-2009, 07:13 PM
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12-20-2009, 07:44 PM
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And if you're wondering, I didn't run a new best today. I got a 13.0 (yet again), but it seems my clutch is finally past the point of being able to make it down the 1/4. I couldn't get better than a 1.9 '60 (I normally pull bottom 1.8s consistently with a rare high 1.7) and could not no lift shift due to clutch failure. Judging from how my car feels going down the track with it slipping so horribly and still pulling 13.0s, a new clutch and I think it's got 12.7s in it as it stands.
I also didn't do any weight reduction and left the power steering connected, so ultimately if I strip the interior and pull power steering there's potential to match the N/A 5.5 gen record of 12.58.
I also didn't do any weight reduction and left the power steering connected, so ultimately if I strip the interior and pull power steering there's potential to match the N/A 5.5 gen record of 12.58.
12-20-2009, 08:58 PM
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My 5AT in my accord has been great. Shifts quick and responds fast.
12-20-2009, 09:31 PM
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Its not that the 4AT is a bad choice but the 5AT has the better gearing. The difference between the 3.5L Altima 4AT and 5AT is night and day. Same goes for the 04 Maxima SE 5AT vs 4AT SL. Would have been interesting to see the 02-03 Maxima SE with a 5AT. Would have been .2-.3 tenths quicker through the 1/4 mile.
My 5AT in my accord has been great. Shifts quick and responds fast.
My 5AT in my accord has been great. Shifts quick and responds fast.
But like I said, gearing on the 4AT is MUCH BETTER for a high power vehicle. To boot it holds more power in stock form and has more aftermarket build options than the 5AT. They can trap nearly 130mph in 3rd gear and for turbo guys, the longer gearing means more load and thus faster spool. Shift speed and response is just a TCM controller and VB kit away on ANY automatic transmission!
It's possible if my Maxima is one day no longer a daily driver and I want to be more consistent and run the 1/4 faster than my 6MT at higher power, I'll do a 4AT swap. Every single one of the fastest Maximas in existence (on the track) are 4ATs for a reason
12-20-2009, 10:04 PM
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It's still within the family, specifically belonging to my wife's cousin so I still drive it occasionally. Ironically, my son exchanged his Atli for my old Max for about two weeks due to a broken finger in his right hand. Unfortunately, my old Max has not been that well taken care of (i.e.: running on 87 octane, in need of a serious alignment, three of four bent wheel and a crap load of..well....crap in the trunk). In spite of that, it still pulls a ton harder than my old 07 AV6 -- which I really have not missed much since trading it for the MDX (though that sentiment may change if pump prices hit $4/gal again)!!
In spite of that, it still pulls a ton harder than my old 07 AV6 -- which I really have not missed much since trading it for the MDX (though that sentiment may change if pump prices hit $4/gal again)!!
12-22-2009, 12:11 AM
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Yes, on a N/A or stock vehicle, I will agree with you for sure. The 5AT's gearing is much more aggressive and thus lends itself to propelling a lower power car down the track faster.
But like I said, gearing on the 4AT is MUCH BETTER for a high power vehicle. To boot it holds more power in stock form and has more aftermarket build options than the 5AT. They can trap nearly 130mph in 3rd gear and for turbo guys, the longer gearing means more load and thus faster spool. Shift speed and response is just a TCM controller and VB kit away on ANY automatic transmission!
It's possible if my Maxima is one day no longer a daily driver and I want to be more consistent and run the 1/4 faster than my 6MT at higher power, I'll do a 4AT swap. Every single one of the fastest Maximas in existence (on the track) are 4ATs for a reason
But like I said, gearing on the 4AT is MUCH BETTER for a high power vehicle. To boot it holds more power in stock form and has more aftermarket build options than the 5AT. They can trap nearly 130mph in 3rd gear and for turbo guys, the longer gearing means more load and thus faster spool. Shift speed and response is just a TCM controller and VB kit away on ANY automatic transmission!
It's possible if my Maxima is one day no longer a daily driver and I want to be more consistent and run the 1/4 faster than my 6MT at higher power, I'll do a 4AT swap. Every single one of the fastest Maximas in existence (on the track) are 4ATs for a reason
12-22-2009, 05:18 PM
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12-23-2009, 12:54 AM
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Sneaky, sneaky... I know when I do cams and head porting, I'll have a little fun with my maxima.org friends for a while before letting the cat out of the bag. :devilgrin
I once "removed" my nitrous bottle to race a B18 EJ8 civic who wanted to race me N/A. You see, he was hiding nitrous under his hood and thought I didn't know... so he said closed hoods and wanted to be able to check my trunk and interior to make sure my bottle was removed so he had a chance to win. I wrapped the bottle in a bag, left my nitrous line running to the trunk (so it looked disconnected), used a spare line to the bottle and wedged it into the engine bay. Needless to say, he was completely flabbergasted when he lost and really seemed to want to admit he was hiding nitrous to prove that I had done the same.
Nitrous won't be nearly as fun when I reinstall a new setup. I'll be running a separate fuel cell, direct port, and a nano system... there's no hiding that
I once "removed" my nitrous bottle to race a B18 EJ8 civic who wanted to race me N/A. You see, he was hiding nitrous under his hood and thought I didn't know... so he said closed hoods and wanted to be able to check my trunk and interior to make sure my bottle was removed so he had a chance to win. I wrapped the bottle in a bag, left my nitrous line running to the trunk (so it looked disconnected), used a spare line to the bottle and wedged it into the engine bay. Needless to say, he was completely flabbergasted when he lost and really seemed to want to admit he was hiding nitrous to prove that I had done the same.
Nitrous won't be nearly as fun when I reinstall a new setup. I'll be running a separate fuel cell, direct port, and a nano system... there's no hiding that
12-23-2009, 10:06 AM
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Yeah I didn't do too much to external appearance to keep it stockish looking. Just stock forged rays 18s from the 350Z, 1.7" drop, blacked out and cleared headlights, grill, 00-01 SE tail lights, debadged, and some minor lighting changes.
12-23-2009, 02:25 PM
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The 7th gen is killer with a drop and wheels. Too bad about the CVT-only tranny. IMO, the best looking Maxima was the 3rd gen SE model. A 3rd gen with a VQ35 swap would be absolutely killer. It was the only Maxima worthy of the "4DSC" designation. I had a 96 SE 5MT with lots of NA and suspension mods and it was an amazing car, but those 3rd gen are just better, assuming you can add some good power.
12-23-2009, 04:15 PM
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The 7th gen is killer with a drop and wheels. Too bad about the CVT-only tranny. IMO, the best looking Maxima was the 3rd gen SE model. A 3rd gen with a VQ35 swap would be absolutely killer. It was the only Maxima worthy of the "4DSC" designation. I had a 96 SE 5MT with lots of NA and suspension mods and it was an amazing car, but those 3rd gen are just better, assuming you can add some good power.
Even though the VG is a dog compared to the VE I still love how it drives. My next 2nd car though will probobly be a 02-03 Maxima SE 6MT.
12-23-2009, 09:59 PM
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The 7th gen is killer with a drop and wheels. Too bad about the CVT-only tranny. IMO, the best looking Maxima was the 3rd gen SE model. A 3rd gen with a VQ35 swap would be absolutely killer. It was the only Maxima worthy of the "4DSC" designation. I had a 96 SE 5MT with lots of NA and suspension mods and it was an amazing car, but those 3rd gen are just better, assuming you can add some good power.
4th gen swaps are so easy, and they can weigh roughly the same as the 3rd gen at the same mod level. The only real issue with a 4th gen (easy version) swap is that you have no VTC.
12-24-2009, 07:15 AM
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I'm partial to the styling of the 4G. But with Dave, the 7G done up right: 
12-27-2009, 10:39 PM
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I wished I lived closer to you guys...I would love to race that maxima from a roll, Ive raced many tl-s and 6sp maxima and I haven't gotten a challenge from them...Not saying yours u, but it would be a nice run...
12-27-2009, 11:09 PM
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Well if you're spraying a 100 shot I'm sure you'd leave me. I no longer have my old nitrous kit installed. N/A I doubt you'd have a shot but who knows.
12-28-2009, 07:39 PM
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The 7th gen is killer with a drop and wheels. Too bad about the CVT-only tranny. IMO, the best looking Maxima was the 3rd gen SE model. A 3rd gen with a VQ35 swap would be absolutely killer. It was the only Maxima worthy of the "4DSC" designation. I had a 96 SE 5MT with lots of NA and suspension mods and it was an amazing car, but those 3rd gen are just better, assuming you can add some good power.
12-29-2009, 12:15 AM
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Although I did own an 02, I'd always wanted to own a 3.5G SE (read: 190hp VE30DE) when it first came out for the 92 model year but it was financially unreachable for me back then.
Anyway, one of my colleagues still has his 93 Max (along with an 06 MDX) and another colleague just traded his 94 Max for an 09 G37X.
Anyway, one of my colleagues still has his 93 Max (along with an 06 MDX) and another colleague just traded his 94 Max for an 09 G37X.
02-28-2010, 08:44 PM
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Here's a new video with my new clutch/flywheel installed. Just to show how much faster it revs.
And my new project car:
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i.../RX-7%20BUILD/
And my new project car:
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i.../RX-7%20BUILD/
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I used to run a SSIM, but ended up swapping back to a vias deleted stock manifold before I got the Kinetix. My 107 mph traps were with the stock mani. I didn't trap over 105 N/A with the SSIM.
03-02-2010, 10:51 AM
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wow the sounds good i just did the ssim mod to my brother's maxima since it was free lol but will see if we get any gains. Maybe in the future he'll upgrade to your setup. but yea sounds good bro. by the way this is my bro's car dont know if you seen it on maxima.org.
