jeowen

Met up with Slow03Maxima today for some runs, and first let me say what a cool and smart dude John is. Afterwords we had a drink and talked about the runs, and for some cool car talk. We ran 2 from 20mph, 2 from 40 and 2 from 60. I was in the proper gear, and shifted perfectly everytime. Not once did I hit the rev limiter, and to my knowledge maximized the powerband everytime, so results are as true as they come.

In short, he pulled everytime after 80mph. Each run was approx to 100-110. On EACH run, after the honks, he waited for me to punch it wich gave me the jump to about 60-70 as he pulled, then at 80 he kept pulling strong, and by 100-110 he was a legit 2-3 cars ahead. After talking with him at TGIF's, and in retrospect, his car is easily 2-300 lbs lighter, and the bottom line, top end speed especially (powerband), just faster.

We both would have liked to see him run a TL-S 6spd with some mods, but the result of today was he had the faster car, no doubt. He has run a 14 flat before, and that was before exhaust and some weather variables.

Today every run (all 6) placed him at least a car ahead at 100mph. It was alot of fun

F23A4

Nice runs. Despite the TL-S' gem of an engine, that AT is a performance killer.

Sonnick

Nice runs for sure. What are his mods? I don't think you mentioned it. The 6MT 5.5 gen Max is a quick car right out of the box. I've never ran into one but from what I've seen/heard they are fast. You put up a good fight

If I was closer I'd love to do a friendly run...on the track of course.

Monte TLS,MAX

[QUOTE=Sonnick;11577408]Nice runs for sure. What are his mods? I don't think you mentioned it. The 6MT 5.5 gen Max is a quick car right out of the box. I've never ran into one but from what I've seen/heard they are fast. You put up a good fight

If I was closer I'd love to do a friendly run...on the track of course.[/QUOT
Yeah they are, 1 guy over at the org ran a 14 flat at 99.8 mph and another guy put similiar times. Both stock.

SatinSilverAV6

iTrader: (2)

Nice runs. Wouldn't mind picking up a 02-03 Maxi SE 6MT as a second car.

Slow03Maxima

Hey guys. It was me he met up with.

My mods are SRI and 2.5" ebay cat-back

It would be nice to line up with a 6-speed, especially at the drag strip! I'm not much of a street racer, but I don't mind doing it as long as everybody is safe about it.

pimpin-tl

Thanks guys for showing everyone how the cars run against each other. The only car that might have a chance is the 6mt TL-S. The 6mt TL I can't seeing having a chance really. Sorry folks.

Slow03Maxima

Well judging that I was pulling as much as 3 cars on his auto from 40-100, a 6MT would surely be closer but probably wouldn't do it.

Now a 6MT with boltons... that could be a good run.

phee

iTrader: (5)

i REALLLy wanna run my 2nd gen against a max. how much power do they put to the wheels?

Slow03Maxima

I think the main reason you weren't seeing me pull until around 80 is because I was hitting it a split second after you (I try to wait on autos, to make sure we're on an even footing) and was playing catch up for the first bit of the run. Once I matched your speed, it seemed like I was pulling really hard because I was accelerating past you at that point.

I'm honestly surprised by the fact I could catch you then pull cars past you even when you got the jump. Maybe this car is a little quicker than a 14.0 car these days

Slow03Maxima

A bone stock 6mt tends to put around 215-220whp and 230wtq. One with my mods is more in the 230ish whp range with a pretty amazing torque band. Although I have about 40whp more going in before the beginning of the year (shh). Add that to weighing in at 3050lbs without me in the car.

Sonnick

Are you in NC as well, or did you guys just meet up to run? My mods are in my sig, I think we'd have a good run

Slow03Maxima

Yep we're both in NC. Yeah, that would make for a good run I think

F23A4

I came across an 02 6MT w/83k last month selling for $6,495 with a clean car fax (for what that's worth). While taking a few days to ponder trading my 00 Quest for that Max (seeing as our new MDX is now the family hauler), it sold. F23A4 FTL!!!!

NVA-AV6

Personally I think a well driven 6mt TL would be a dead heat, but one thing this does go to show is that the old addage is true, HP wins magazine covers but TQ win races.

pimpin-tl

A 6mt TL-S yes, not a regular TL 6mt. Much lower power. Since you pulled that hard on a TL-S 5AT, it would be closer to even or still a slight edge to you on a 6mt.

alexSU

iTrader: (3)

Nice runs! Damn, why can't the TL be at least 250 pounds lighter out of the box

Slow03Maxima: I'm in Charlotte and once I get my exhaust/j-pipe (end of Jan) I'll be down for a few runs

alexSU

iTrader: (3)

A base 6MT with bolt-ons would be a good race with the Maxima. I beat an auto TL-S at the track.

SatinSilverAV6

iTrader: (2)

That sounded like a great deal! If I found a max like the one you did I would probobly pick it up. Next time hopefully you will consider the trade for your quest! That would be a good race with your son! Stock vs stock i know the 6MT Maxima and 5MT altima V6 would be a great drivers race!

SatinSilverAV6

iTrader: (2)

I would have to disagree. I think a 6MT TL stock vs a 6MT maxima stock would be a drivers race for sure. Both are capable of hitting low 14's stock with traps in the 97-99MPH range at best. The best I have seen for a stock 6MT Maxima is a 14.1@99+MPH. I know the TL 6MT is capable of that with a 2.1 60ft if the driver is spot on. Both average 14.4 or so. A TL-S 6MT would beat a 6MT maxima from a roll I believe. It is a whole different vehicle than the Auto TL-S.

Sonnick

All given equal drivers of course, TL/Accord 6MT would be a great race stock for stock with the 5.5G Max. I would give a slight edge to the Maxima though just because of the torque band it has. The new Accord should pull on the Maxima, as well should the TL-s 6MT. You guys are forgetting the difference between the Honda AT/MT tranny's is huge. The 7th gen Accord coupe 5AT stock best is 14.9 I believe. The 6MT best is 14.2. The difference is tremendous. My buddy has an 04 V6 Accord coupe 5AT (now 6MT) with I/E/Jpipe/PC deletes/UR Pulley/TL-s cams/Tune and I would pull on him with just I/Jpipe by a margin of 2-3 cars.

My other buddy with a stock 05 AV6 5AT I've ran once when I had a passenger and 2 sets of golf clubs. For this run I had I/E/Jpipe. I was in 6th on the highway, he gunned it, so I had to downshift from 6th to 4th, then to 3rd (I'd rather not go from 6th to 3rd for synchros)..at this point he had already 2 cars on me from 65. By the time I hit 100 I had already passed him, pulling hard. The difference from 5AT to 6MT is about 20whp and better gearing, hence the large margin of defeat.

The run you had with the TL-s 5AT was a good run for sure, and a good kill. However, the 6MT TL is faster than the TL-s 5AT too. So, pimpin_TL for you to say the 6MT wouldn't really have a chance against the Max is not accurate. I'd give the Max a slight, and I mean slight edge, but that's it. Mod for mod the J and VQ are pretty similar, so mod for mod would be a good run too.

Monte TLS,MAX

All three manuals would be a good run with good drivers as the TLS manual tends to put down very similiar numbers to the regular TL manual despite the larger motor, both 14 to low 14's. trapping high 90's to 100 etc. stock. Max does have a better torque band although. (now auto to auto the TLS advantage over the normal TL is noticeable). I once ran an auto 07 TLS in my auto Max and we were close, close. I got the jump but as we crossed the 1/4 his nose was at my front door.

Slow03Maxima

I have to disagree with you, here.

There are bolton (no internal or headwork done, stock cams) and tuned 5.5 gen maximas running in the 12s naturally aspirated, with traps in the 108-109 range. These are normally in the 265-285 whp range. A normal bolton 3.5 with I/H/E/tune puts down around 250-265whp depending on tuning device. Intake manifold mods and other small things can give the higher numbers.

On top of that there are swapped 4th gen maximas (weigh 300-500lbs less) that are running bottom 12s in the 110-113mph trap range with the same conditions (no internal work, N/A)

As far as I understand, you guys just don't gain as much from mods. You can't change to aftermarket headers, and tuning is difficult. Am I correct in that?

I know for sure that I don't see any N/A TL-S trapping 107+ mph in the 1/4, which is a good indication of topend power.

We'll see for sure soon if some of you NC guys come to the drag strip. We go to the tracks pretty often.

I'm throwing on headers/Ypipe, Kinetix intake manifold (going to port match my lower manifold), and UTEC for tuning all before the end of the year.

ib18c1

iTrader: (6)

there's no aftermarket headers, just cat deletes which yields a decent-good gains.

but you're right, I don't think a modded 6mt TL could hang with a modded 5.5 Max 6mt.

My friend, if you were OG on maxima.org (steven88) ran 9.1s consistently at the 1/8 drag strip trapping in 80mph+. He had SRI, catman header - catback, that's all.

At the time I had CAI, Jpipe, Secondary Cat delete, Catback, gutted rear I've only managed to pull 9.48 @ 78mph best out of 10 total runs on different days. My average would be 9.5x-9.6x

the 3.5 and torque on the Maxima is just wonderful

Slow03Maxima

Yes, sir. It's definitely my favorite V-6. Great torque band and huge topend.

The best applications of it are on non-optioned 2600lb 4th gen maximas, and 02-06 (also 2600 lb) Spec V's. The swap into a 4th gen is as easy as changing timing equipment, same mounts and accessory locations. The Spec V requires a bellhousing change on their transmission, and engine management, but not much else.

I'm happy enough with mine weighing in at just over 3050Lbs without driver, even with sunroof and leather/heated seats. Sadly my fat ass brings it up to 3330 on track scales, though. LOL

Slow03Maxima

The 5-minute editing window on this forum is weak!

I was going to add that since the VQ35DE was used in almost every nissan FWD vehicle available (minus compacts) from 02-present, you can find them for 500-1000 dollars pretty readily. Makes for an inexpensive swap.

01clsstock

Yes maximas can be slightly faster than our acura's but at the end of the day you drive a maxipad and we drive a "luxury" automobile. Maxima's are about as cool as herpes.

F23A4

I've driven both and the auto TL-S pulls noticeably better than the base auto TL.

As for the VQ35DE->B15 swap, I think that my son mentioned a friend of his having this setup. I'm amazed that a VQ35DE powered B15 can even get any kind of traction with that setup. The average A33 (5.5G Maxima/I35) struggles with traction in stock trim.

Sonnick

12s are fast, no doubt about that. I've looked around I haven't seen any traps even close to 108 on an NA Maxima. Maybe I haven't looked in the right places, I just watched a bolt on/Slicks 3.5 swapped 4th gen run a 12.92 @104 with a 1.69 60'. That's absurd for a FWD car. Great time nonethless with that amount of mods. I'm not knocking the 5.5G at all, I love those cars. I just haven't seen the numbers you are talking about, if they're out there then damn!

Slow03Maxima

If you didn't know, the Maxima is the "flagship" sport luxury car for Nissan. I have heated leather seats, steering wheel, bose system, etc all stock with options for factory Nav same as your car.

I'll agree that I like the looks and interior of a TL better, but I also don't care for the extra 300+Lbs and low-potential engine. Can you spray a 200 shot and trap 120+ MPH on a stock bolton engine with only fueling upgrades? Not even close...

Thanks for your opinion, though. I don't think this car looks so bad, though:

Slow03Maxima

Number 77 is a bolton 5.5 gen maxima on STREET TIRES.



Look at JayPee's threads in the 1/4 mile section. Also Nealoc, SR20DEN, several others have trapped 107+ N/A. Those are just the ones that post on the .org

Here is a video of a N/A 5.5 gen going 12.60@108ish, he also ran a 12.58@109.X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45N0MWPRtg0

Slow03Maxima

Travis, who owns Forced Induction Racing (FIR) has a VQ swapped Spec V that he has personally run high 11s in N/A. Here is a link to a thread with videos and such.

http://forums.maxima.org/all-motor/5...ec-v-swap.html

Sonnick

Damn..what mods were on them? The 12 second pass is without any cam work?

Slow03Maxima

Here is a N/A (no cams or internal work) 3.5 swapped 4th gen running bottom 12s@ 110+ N/A.. This is the same guy that runs 10.8s@125mph on a 200 shot of nitrous.

link to thread: http://forums.maxima.org/1-4-1-8-mil...5-95-auto.html

Slow03Maxima

Stock cams.

JayPee's mod list is this:

Intake, gutted stock intake manifold (SSIM) and port matching, Lightweight flywheel/UDP, Headers/Ypipe, 3" cat-back, Technosquare ECU reflash to 7200 rpms, fine tuning with VAFC.

The mods on that 13.2@107.5 are this:
SRI, Vias deleted stock intake manifold, Cattman headers/Ypipe with open dump, UTEC tuned to 6700 RPMs (stock redline).

Slow03Maxima

And by the way, guys.. (sorry Jeremy), I've been messing with you about my mod list. There is no way a 99mph trap car would pull 3 car lengths on a 96-98mph trap car in just a 40-100 pull. It takes at least a 10MPH trap speed difference to do that. I'm surprised no BS was called.

That 13.2@107.5 timeslip is mine. That is before alot of new mods...

This is my car N/A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q8jUGr4aXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDlHF...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YGn...eature=channel

This is when I was spraying nitrous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDz_fIHZgig

Slow03Maxima

Those videos were made a few weeks ago with:

SRI, Vias delete stock IM, headers/Ypipe (open dump), UTEC tuned to 6700 RPMs

My current mods as of today are: SRI, Kinetix IM with port matched lower, Headers/Ypipe, UTEC tuned to 7200 RPMs with 5-6 degrees more timing through the RPM band. Here's an incar vid with current mods and a crappy 2.5" catback (this loses me about 20whp over the open dump). Still waiting on new track times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7rrC8FkeU

Slow03Maxima

And here's a link to my "member rides" thread on Maxima forums with pics of everything.

It's 60+ posts long but has pics/vids all through.

http://forums.maxima.org/members-rid...rack-vids.html

vhtran

Why don't you tell Sonnick that, at the end of the day he drives an Accord. It's like beating the 7series and they will tell you, you just driving a semi luxury car anyway.

jeowen

John !! I have seen the back of your car ENOUGH LOL- and about the 13.2 It makes me feel alot better now about the results from our race! arrrrrg :troutslap