03 6spd Max vs. 08 TL-S 5AT Results
It makes me feel alot better now about the results from our race! Arrrrrg 
12-17-2009, 05:15 PM
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12-17-2009, 05:22 PM
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Sounds sick and pulls hard. Those SRI's really scream, I'm about to ditch the CAI for one lol.
Vhtran: About my car being 'just' an Accord...that's ok, I love my Accord
If I'm ever in NC I'll let you know so we could do some friendly runs
Vhtran: About my car being 'just' an Accord...that's ok, I love my Accord
If I'm ever in NC I'll let you know so we could do some friendly runs
12-17-2009, 05:26 PM
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Best SRI you can get, for under $100: AEM Dry flow filter, 6" inlet by 4" ; 6">3" BPI Velocity stack. Hook that right up to your stock maf, and your maf to the throttle body. I made the mistake of buying a 6" by 9" filter (WTF HUGE) so mine looks like this:
12-17-2009, 05:43 PM
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I'll be up in your direction (well halfway) this coming summer for Maxus 2010 at MIR (maryland international raceway). Should be 100-200+ Maximas there.
12-18-2009, 08:25 AM
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12-18-2009, 09:03 AM
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Most of the screaming came around after the new intake manifold, although it did wail pretty good with the stock IM, too.
Best SRI you can get, for under $100: AEM Dry flow filter, 6" inlet by 4" ; 6">3" BPI Velocity stack. Hook that right up to your stock maf, and your maf to the throttle body. I made the mistake of buying a 6" by 9" filter (WTF HUGE) so mine looks like this:
Best SRI you can get, for under $100: AEM Dry flow filter, 6" inlet by 4" ; 6">3" BPI Velocity stack. Hook that right up to your stock maf, and your maf to the throttle body. I made the mistake of buying a 6" by 9" filter (WTF HUGE) so mine looks like this:
12-18-2009, 09:43 AM
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I think the main reason you weren't seeing me pull until around 80 is because I was hitting it a split second after you (I try to wait on autos, to make sure we're on an even footing) and was playing catch up for the first bit of the run. Once I matched your speed, it seemed like I was pulling really hard because I was accelerating past you at that point.
I'm honestly surprised by the fact I could catch you then pull cars past you even when you got the jump. Maybe this car is a little quicker than a 14.0 car these days
I'm honestly surprised by the fact I could catch you then pull cars past you even when you got the jump. Maybe this car is a little quicker than a 14.0 car these days
I have to disagree with you, here.
There are bolton (no internal or headwork done, stock cams) and tuned 5.5 gen maximas running in the 12s naturally aspirated, with traps in the 108-109 range. These are normally in the 265-285 whp range. A normal bolton 3.5 with I/H/E/tune puts down around 250-265whp depending on tuning device. Intake manifold mods and other small things can give the higher numbers.
On top of that there are swapped 4th gen maximas (weigh 300-500lbs less) that are running bottom 12s in the 110-113mph trap range with the same conditions (no internal work, N/A)
As far as I understand, you guys just don't gain as much from mods. You can't change to aftermarket headers, and tuning is difficult. Am I correct in that?
I know for sure that I don't see any N/A TL-S trapping 107+ mph in the 1/4, which is a good indication of topend power.
We'll see for sure soon if some of you NC guys come to the drag strip. We go to the tracks pretty often.
I'm throwing on headers/Ypipe, Kinetix intake manifold (going to port match my lower manifold), and UTEC for tuning all before the end of the year.
There are bolton (no internal or headwork done, stock cams) and tuned 5.5 gen maximas running in the 12s naturally aspirated, with traps in the 108-109 range. These are normally in the 265-285 whp range. A normal bolton 3.5 with I/H/E/tune puts down around 250-265whp depending on tuning device. Intake manifold mods and other small things can give the higher numbers.
On top of that there are swapped 4th gen maximas (weigh 300-500lbs less) that are running bottom 12s in the 110-113mph trap range with the same conditions (no internal work, N/A)
As far as I understand, you guys just don't gain as much from mods. You can't change to aftermarket headers, and tuning is difficult. Am I correct in that?
I know for sure that I don't see any N/A TL-S trapping 107+ mph in the 1/4, which is a good indication of topend power.
We'll see for sure soon if some of you NC guys come to the drag strip. We go to the tracks pretty often.
I'm throwing on headers/Ypipe, Kinetix intake manifold (going to port match my lower manifold), and UTEC for tuning all before the end of the year.
12-18-2009, 11:24 AM
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I see. That makes sense, there is a 2nd gen guy that hangs around the Maxima forums who says he has a full N/A build and is putting 290-something to the wheels.
12-18-2009, 12:25 PM
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I have built a 3.7L for a 2nd gen that is just over 300WHP and 290WTQ and a couple 3.6L into 2nd gens putting down 290WHP and 275WTQ all motor no bottle or boost, not cheap but can be done. All of these are suffering from a lack of airflow thru the intake and TB up top, this is being fixed......
12-18-2009, 01:40 PM
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I have built a 3.7L for a 2nd gen that is just over 300WHP and 290WTQ and a couple 3.6L into 2nd gens putting down 290WHP and 275WTQ all motor no bottle or boost, not cheap but can be done. All of these are suffering from a lack of airflow thru the intake and TB up top, this is being fixed......
I'm hoping before summer to do some head/IM porting, cams + valvesprings, rod bolts, and a revup oil pump and hopefully get close to that coveted 300whp mark. If anything, a little lope and a 8k redline will be fun! I dunno though, that IM would look mighty pretty with some direct port plumbing on it
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12-18-2009, 01:54 PM
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12-18-2009, 02:03 PM
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12-18-2009, 02:20 PM
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I knew it was too good to last to have a constructive conversation about two different vehicles without at least one member of the azzhat hate squad show up......
12-18-2009, 03:02 PM
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It wouldn't be any different on my forums, or any other. Fanboism runs deep in most forum communities. Thankfully the rest of us are willing to be objective.
12-18-2009, 03:15 PM
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12-18-2009, 04:00 PM
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wouldnt it have been a more fair race if it was indeed manual for manual prolly diffrent results closer race.. but it was a friendly run so its all in good fun.. but nice runs deff i race that yr maxima in my accord off the line we were side by side but i did pull the maximas are some good runs for us but i had I/E and the max i raced was bone stock..but id like to see 6spd Type S Vs 6 Spd Max??lol
12-18-2009, 05:14 PM
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wouldnt it have been a more fair race if it was indeed manual for manual prolly diffrent results closer race.. but it was a friendly run so its all in good fun.. but nice runs deff i race that yr maxima in my accord off the line we were side by side but i did pull the maximas are some good runs for us but i had I/E and the max i raced was bone stock..but id like to see 6spd Type S Vs 6 Spd Max??lol
12-18-2009, 06:32 PM
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I already did... I was trapping 106-107.5 with several less mods than I have now. I assumed that person didn't read the whole thread if he still thinks a TL-S 6-speed would keep up. Even with full boltons they're like 103mph trap cars, no?
Even the supercharged guys are 105-106 trap cars in your 1/4 mile thread.
Even the supercharged guys are 105-106 trap cars in your 1/4 mile thread.
12-18-2009, 09:55 PM
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I already did... I was trapping 106-107.5 with several less mods than I have now. I assumed that person didn't read the whole thread if he still thinks a TL-S 6-speed would keep up. Even with full boltons they're like 103mph trap cars, no?
Even the supercharged guys are 105-106 trap cars in your 1/4 mile thread.
Even the supercharged guys are 105-106 trap cars in your 1/4 mile thread.
you might have a good race when the turbo kit comes out for the TL. But I'm hoping they will be trapping a little more then 107 mph 
who knows lol
12-18-2009, 10:07 PM
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There's only one turbo kit option for our cars right now, and it's pretty expensive (SFR), but it's a forward Y feed setup making in the 400whp/400wtq range @ 9-10psi.
Most who go with F/I just spray or go with a custom rear mount turbo setup.
All it took was a 75 shot for me to trap 112 mph last year at the track, one of these days I'll install another nitrous kit and go with a 125-150 shot. I'm not brave enough to spray a 200 shot like some of them are
12-18-2009, 10:12 PM
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Ultimately, including cams and supporting mods (rod bolts, valvesprings, oil pump) to my current mod list, I'm really hoping for some 110+ MPH traps and mid/low 12s N/A before I go to any kind of F/I again. That will depend on the powerband of this Kinetix intake manifold above 7200 RPMs, though.
12-18-2009, 10:16 PM
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Here are some nitrous timeslips from last winter.
This was my PB (because of a good '60 foot and not banging rev limiter in first... lol) on a bottle that was running empty up top. Look at my 1/8th mile trap on these 2 runs compared to 1/4 mile, lol
Best trap, my 2nd run out. If this was a low 1.8 it could have been a solid 12.1-12.2
This was my PB (because of a good '60 foot and not banging rev limiter in first... lol) on a bottle that was running empty up top. Look at my 1/8th mile trap on these 2 runs compared to 1/4 mile, lol
Best trap, my 2nd run out. If this was a low 1.8 it could have been a solid 12.1-12.2
12-19-2009, 07:29 AM
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So I would have to say the Honda motor sounds a little stronger.
12-19-2009, 10:01 AM
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Well the VQ 3.5 can only handle around 6-9psi max safely on stock internals. Anything more they wil go boom. The VQ35HR has a stronger internals and can handle that boost a bit better which came out in 07 in the RWD cars.
So I would have to say the Honda motor sounds a little stronger.
So I would have to say the Honda motor sounds a little stronger.
The normally accepted safe point for a VQ is 10 PSI on a moderate (GT35) sized turbo. There are plenty of them upwards of 12-14PSI putting down upwards of 450-500whp on stock internals.
Now the twin turbo guys (this must be where you got your info) are moving alot more volume at lower PSI than most single turbo builds, so they will boost between 6-9 PSI and still make over 400 whp.
12-19-2009, 10:15 AM
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Where did you get that info?
The normally accepted safe point for a VQ is 10 PSI on a moderate (GT35) sized turbo. There are plenty of them upwards of 12-14PSI putting down upwards of 450-500whp on stock internals.
Now the twin turbo guys (this must be where you got your info) are moving alot more volume at lower PSI than most single turbo builds, so they will boost between 6-9 PSI and still make over 400 whp.
The normally accepted safe point for a VQ is 10 PSI on a moderate (GT35) sized turbo. There are plenty of them upwards of 12-14PSI putting down upwards of 450-500whp on stock internals.
Now the twin turbo guys (this must be where you got your info) are moving alot more volume at lower PSI than most single turbo builds, so they will boost between 6-9 PSI and still make over 400 whp.
The VQ30 actually could handle boost better than the 3.5L. Anyone can look at my350z and G35driver and see what I am talking about. 10psi isn't safe period on a VQ35DE. Anyone can run 450-500rwhp for a short spurt, doesn't mean it will hold if you keep it there for a bit like on a road course or anything that requires use of BOOST for more than a few minutes.
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12-19-2009, 12:00 PM
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Sorry but I have been on my350z for 6 years and know the limits of the VQ very well (not including being in the Nissan family of cars since 1995). The VQ35DE can not handle over 400rwhp safely without taking a chance and that is straight up facts. Doesn't matter if it's TT or Supercharged or Single, they all have shown they can't go over 8psi without trouble.
The VQ30 actually could handle boost better than the 3.5L. Anyone can look at my350z and G35driver and see what I am talking about. 10psi isn't safe period on a VQ35DE. Anyone can run 450-500rwhp for a short spurt, doesn't mean it will hold if you keep it there for a bit like on a road course or anything that requires use of BOOST for more than a few minutes.
The VQ30 actually could handle boost better than the 3.5L. Anyone can look at my350z and G35driver and see what I am talking about. 10psi isn't safe period on a VQ35DE. Anyone can run 450-500rwhp for a short spurt, doesn't mean it will hold if you keep it there for a bit like on a road course or anything that requires use of BOOST for more than a few minutes.
For example 8psi on a small T3/T4 turbo is 330-340whp for us... You can push it to 12-14 PSI without a hitch still being in the very low 400whp range. Compare that with some of the larger turbos like the T-60 that comes with the Turbonetics kit, and you can barely push 8psi before you're over 400whp.
That is why I asked him how much they can make on a stock bottom end... IE power/torque. Not how much boost, since that is subjective based on your individual turbo and setup.
Simply stating "8PSI IS THE LIMIT" is stupid without a specific turbocharger named since that will be subjective. Try putting 8psi from something huge like one of those 100+mm beasts they like to run on single turbo V8s/etc on a stock VQ35 bottom end and watch the fireworks.
If all this doesn't make sense to you, then there's no point in continuing debate.
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If you didn't know, the Maxima is the "flagship" sport luxury car for Nissan. I have heated leather seats, steering wheel, bose system, etc all stock with options for factory Nav same as your car.
I'll agree that I like the looks and interior of a TL better, but I also don't care for the extra 300+Lbs and low-potential engine. Can you spray a 200 shot and trap 120+ MPH on a stock bolton engine with only fueling upgrades? Not even close...
Thanks for your opinion, though. I don't think this car looks so bad, though:
I'll agree that I like the looks and interior of a TL better, but I also don't care for the extra 300+Lbs and low-potential engine. Can you spray a 200 shot and trap 120+ MPH on a stock bolton engine with only fueling upgrades? Not even close...
Thanks for your opinion, though. I don't think this car looks so bad, though:
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