Why is everyone hating on the RLX?
04-18-2013, 12:39 PM
#161
Three Wheelin'
How does P-AWS factor into this? Does it make the RLX experience better than the Accord experience?
04-18-2013, 03:15 PM
#162
Instructor
04-18-2013, 03:20 PM
#163
Three Wheelin'
04-18-2013, 04:33 PM
#164
Horsepower and Torque numbers are what they are, whether DI or not. If you take a two engines that have identical HP/tq ratings and one is DI and one is not, the DI isn't going to be faster. It may though be more fuel efficient and provide cleaner emissions due to a cleaner burn.
The RLX has 272 ft/lbs of torque, the Accord V6 has 252 ft/lbs. Direct injection is most likely one component of the increased HP/torque numbers of the RLX.
Having said all that, while everyone quotes horsepower, torque is what is really important.
The extra 400 lbs of weigh on the RLX will negate the extra 20 ft lbs advantage it has over the RLX.
Unless of course you factor in the "superior wheels and larger diameter" of the RLX. (Tongue implanted firmly in cheek).
The RLX has 272 ft/lbs of torque, the Accord V6 has 252 ft/lbs. Direct injection is most likely one component of the increased HP/torque numbers of the RLX.
Having said all that, while everyone quotes horsepower, torque is what is really important.
The extra 400 lbs of weigh on the RLX will negate the extra 20 ft lbs advantage it has over the RLX.
Unless of course you factor in the "superior wheels and larger diameter" of the RLX. (Tongue implanted firmly in cheek).
04-18-2013, 06:54 PM
#166
Suzuka Master
True BSM is becoming common place, but BSI is rare, I like the Infiniti implementations because the each have and intervention component, BSI and LDP both will nudge the brakes on the opposite side to nudge you back into your lane.
04-18-2013, 06:59 PM
#167
Suzuka Master
That is not even a fair comparison. That was a different era, they rushed out a crappy FWD Cimmaron to help with fuel economy and to have something cheap, all their cars back then were crap and they were trying anything to keep or get customers.
04-18-2013, 07:07 PM
#168
Horsepower and Torque numbers are what they are, whether DI or not. If you take a two engines that have identical HP/tq ratings and one is DI and one is not, the DI isn't going to be faster. It may though be more fuel efficient and provide cleaner emissions due to a cleaner burn.
The RLX has 272 ft/lbs of torque, the Accord V6 has 252 ft/lbs. Direct injection is most likely one component of the increased HP/torque numbers of the RLX.
Having said all that, while everyone quotes horsepower, torque is what is really important.
The extra 400 lbs of weigh on the RLX will negate the extra 20 ft lbs advantage it has over the RLX.
Unless of course you factor in the "superior wheels and larger diameter" of the RLX. (Tongue implanted firmly in cheek).
The RLX has 272 ft/lbs of torque, the Accord V6 has 252 ft/lbs. Direct injection is most likely one component of the increased HP/torque numbers of the RLX.
Having said all that, while everyone quotes horsepower, torque is what is really important.
The extra 400 lbs of weigh on the RLX will negate the extra 20 ft lbs advantage it has over the RLX.
Unless of course you factor in the "superior wheels and larger diameter" of the RLX. (Tongue implanted firmly in cheek).
how heavy is TSX V6. compared to Accord 8G V6 and its 0-100mph times?. Even though both have identical torques.
04-18-2013, 07:16 PM
#169
Suzuka Master
I would not say that a FWD handles better by any means but I think that a decent AWD system "a la Acura's SH-AWD" can sure offset the fwd bias of a vehicle and give it great driving capability. It is a true 50/50 balanced car, not but it is still very decent to drive and IF it would looked amazing on the outside and inside with innovation and luxury
That is why that I am still saying that Acura could, if they wanted, bring their brand and sales up if they did some amazing vehicles and this, despite keeping their SH-AWD and not going RWD....but they will have to do incredible work to overcome or compensate for the RWD lacking in the lineup. !
That is why that I am still saying that Acura could, if they wanted, bring their brand and sales up if they did some amazing vehicles and this, despite keeping their SH-AWD and not going RWD....but they will have to do incredible work to overcome or compensate for the RWD lacking in the lineup. !
- the Audi handling was far better in the fact that is was great handling with a comfortable ride. The TL was too firm and harsh after getting out of the Audi.
- while I love the SH-AWD I think the firm suspension deserves as much credit for the handling as the SH-AWD. Drive for a while with the AWD display in the MID and you will see the car is mostly FWD and only when you push it do you see power go to the rear wheels. Quattro on the other hand is sending power to all wheels all the time. Yes SH-AWD is technically superior, but I believe most of what you feel is the suspension before you feel the AWD.
Don't get me wrong I love Acura, but if they want to leverage SH-AWD like Audi does Quatro then Acura need to have the SH-AWD be engaged more and not rely on the suspension.
04-19-2013, 01:20 AM
#172
sure. i am making point. how much is 0-60 difference between 6MT TSX and 6MT ILX with same engine?. TSX is 500 lbs heavier.
RLX is technologically more advanced engine than Accord with alot of broad torque availability. RLX more isolated ride makes it feel slow.
RLX is technologically more advanced engine than Accord with alot of broad torque availability. RLX more isolated ride makes it feel slow.
04-19-2013, 06:56 AM
#173
It is interesting that the Accord has come in to the discussion whereas the TL was always the compared vehicle. It all comes down to if you can afford the extra for items that are of value to you then go for the higher priced car. I have never thought that the TL was a competitor to the RL and I don't think that the TLX will be a competitor to the RLX. The quality, exclusivity, features and technology will always be higher in the RLX.
Not all SH-AWD systems are the same - the RL is the most sophisticated with the MDX, RDX and TL being lesser versions. Even the plastic on the indicator stalk feels different, the Accord is hard with a smooth finish while the RL has a matte softer feel. There are thousands of examples of the differences, if you compare some options then you may find numerous cars that share the same features but their implementation and sophistication is probably different.
Not all SH-AWD systems are the same - the RL is the most sophisticated with the MDX, RDX and TL being lesser versions. Even the plastic on the indicator stalk feels different, the Accord is hard with a smooth finish while the RL has a matte softer feel. There are thousands of examples of the differences, if you compare some options then you may find numerous cars that share the same features but their implementation and sophistication is probably different.
04-19-2013, 09:07 AM
#174
Suzuka Master
It is interesting that the Accord has come in to the discussion whereas the TL was always the compared vehicle. It all comes down to if you can afford the extra for items that are of value to you then go for the higher priced car. I have never thought that the TL was a competitor to the RL and I don't think that the TLX will be a competitor to the RLX. The quality, exclusivity, features and technology will always be higher in the RLX.
Not all SH-AWD systems are the same - the RL is the most sophisticated with the MDX, RDX and TL being lesser versions. Even the plastic on the indicator stalk feels different, the Accord is hard with a smooth finish while the RL has a matte softer feel. There are thousands of examples of the differences, if you compare some options then you may find numerous cars that share the same features but their implementation and sophistication is probably different.
Not all SH-AWD systems are the same - the RL is the most sophisticated with the MDX, RDX and TL being lesser versions. Even the plastic on the indicator stalk feels different, the Accord is hard with a smooth finish while the RL has a matte softer feel. There are thousands of examples of the differences, if you compare some options then you may find numerous cars that share the same features but their implementation and sophistication is probably different.
The Accord Touring is a legitimate competitor to the current TL in many areas. Sure it is not as luxurious, but it is has far more tech, is just as roomy and unless you need AWD, the Accord is a bargain. That said I would still probably want a TL over an Accord, but for many, they will take the extra features, better MPG and keep the extra $5K in their pocket.
04-19-2013, 11:41 AM
#175
To me, the TL feels like a Honda and the RL feels like an Acura and if I was looking at the TL then I would buy the Accord. It would save me money and it has the added advantage of that you can look at the Accord whereas the TL can only be taken out at night when you cant see the fugly front or the hideous rear.
I know, it's only an opinion but I bet I'm not alone.
I know, it's only an opinion but I bet I'm not alone.
04-19-2013, 12:18 PM
#176
Three Wheelin'
To me, the TL feels like a Honda and the RL feels like an Acura and if I was looking at the TL then I would buy the Accord. It would save me money and it has the added advantage of that you can look at the Accord whereas the TL can only be taken out at night when you cant see the fugly front or the hideous rear.
I know, it's only an opinion but I bet I'm not alone.
I know, it's only an opinion but I bet I'm not alone.
Seriously though, I think the RL and the ZDX (RIP) were the only Acuras that felt like luxury vehicles to me. Much as I admire the current MDX, I can immediately see and feel the shortcuts Acura made to keep the price low. Ditto the TL.
That being said, the Acura pattern is to take features from the RL and put them in the TL so the two cars become so functionally similar that the RL almost becomes redundant. That's just how they are.
04-19-2013, 12:58 PM
#177
The RLX may not excite a lot of people but it will have quality, exclusivity, high technology and above all it will work long after the competition will have been in the shop for a few times.
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04-19-2013, 02:14 PM
#178
This is nothing new. If you recall the original VTEC that debuted on the NSX and Integra were DOHC designs that operated on both intake and exhaust. Later, they added VTEC to the Honda line that was much simpler, SOHC intake only systems that were marketed under the VTEC brand name.
SH-AWD that debuted in the RL uses a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft with a planetary gearset to variably add overspeed to the outside rear wheel. In later versions, I believe this could add up to ~5% overdrive. Other SH-AWD versions use steel driveshafts and a fixed 1.8% overspeed ratio.
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04-19-2013, 06:11 PM
#179
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It's worth noting that the 2G RL enjoyed a full product cycle with SH-AWD as the separator between itself and the 3G TL. It was only a byproduct of the extra long 2G RL life that the cars had such a significant overlap in drivetrains. Had the economy not tanked 08-09, it's likely that the new RLX would have followed the '09 TL within a year.
This is nothing new. If you recall the original VTEC that debuted on the NSX and Integra were DOHC designs that operated on both intake and exhaust. Later, they added VTEC to the Honda line that was much simpler, SOHC intake only systems that were marketed under the VTEC brand name.
SH-AWD that debuted in the RL uses a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft with a planetary gearset to variably add overspeed to the outside rear wheel. In later versions, I believe this could add up to ~5% overdrive. Other SH-AWD versions use steel driveshafts and a fixed 1.8% overspeed ratio.
This is nothing new. If you recall the original VTEC that debuted on the NSX and Integra were DOHC designs that operated on both intake and exhaust. Later, they added VTEC to the Honda line that was much simpler, SOHC intake only systems that were marketed under the VTEC brand name.
SH-AWD that debuted in the RL uses a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft with a planetary gearset to variably add overspeed to the outside rear wheel. In later versions, I believe this could add up to ~5% overdrive. Other SH-AWD versions use steel driveshafts and a fixed 1.8% overspeed ratio.
04-19-2013, 06:19 PM
#180
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
It's worth noting that the 2G RL enjoyed a full product cycle with SH-AWD as the separator between itself and the 3G TL. It was only a byproduct of the extra long 2G RL life that the cars had such a significant overlap in drivetrains. Had the economy not tanked 08-09, it's likely that the new RLX would have followed the '09 TL within a year.
This is nothing new. If you recall the original VTEC that debuted on the NSX and Integra were DOHC designs that operated on both intake and exhaust. Later, they added VTEC to the Honda line that was much simpler, SOHC intake only systems that were marketed under the VTEC brand name.
SH-AWD that debuted in the RL uses a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft with a planetary gearset to variably add overspeed to the outside rear wheel. In later versions, I believe this could add up to ~5% overdrive. Other SH-AWD versions use steel driveshafts and a fixed 1.8% overspeed ratio.
This is nothing new. If you recall the original VTEC that debuted on the NSX and Integra were DOHC designs that operated on both intake and exhaust. Later, they added VTEC to the Honda line that was much simpler, SOHC intake only systems that were marketed under the VTEC brand name.
SH-AWD that debuted in the RL uses a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft with a planetary gearset to variably add overspeed to the outside rear wheel. In later versions, I believe this could add up to ~5% overdrive. Other SH-AWD versions use steel driveshafts and a fixed 1.8% overspeed ratio.
Absolutely correct, and I bet no one ever notice the difference from a driving dynamics perspective.
That's because most people didn't appreciate SH-AWD.
04-19-2013, 10:45 PM
#181
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